One of my horses just had babies!
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grumpygils
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That should of been me except for nemo munched every last one of them!
Good job! 50 X $15 (wholesale) = More fish stuff!
Mc
Good job! 50 X $15 (wholesale) = More fish stuff!
Mc
zeke92
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Originally Posted by Old_Salt
I transferred them over to a 15G with a 10G sump today. All survived the move but now they are in 4 gallons of water with an air hose and heater. I need to get another 12 gallons of water but very hesitant of doing that big of a water change in the parents 29G tank. I took 4 gallons this morning and plan to take another 8 gallons tonight. This will leave me shy about 4 gallons needed to start running their new home. Do you think if I took some of the bio balls and rock from the 29G it would be okay to add 4 gallons of new salt water? This water has been mixing for about a week now. Or would it be better to pull 4 gallons out of my 210 (FOWLR)? Other option would be to take 8 gallons tonight and get the rest on Thursday. Just don't want to take a chance of having a spike in the parents tank by removing too much water too fast. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
do a small water change every 30 minutes then. is the air hose in the sump? not sure how a bunch of accidentle air in there lungs can do.
I transferred them over to a 15G with a 10G sump today. All survived the move but now they are in 4 gallons of water with an air hose and heater. I need to get another 12 gallons of water but very hesitant of doing that big of a water change in the parents 29G tank. I took 4 gallons this morning and plan to take another 8 gallons tonight. This will leave me shy about 4 gallons needed to start running their new home. Do you think if I took some of the bio balls and rock from the 29G it would be okay to add 4 gallons of new salt water? This water has been mixing for about a week now. Or would it be better to pull 4 gallons out of my 210 (FOWLR)? Other option would be to take 8 gallons tonight and get the rest on Thursday. Just don't want to take a chance of having a spike in the parents tank by removing too much water too fast. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
do a small water change every 30 minutes then. is the air hose in the sump? not sure how a bunch of accidentle air in there lungs can do.
old_salt
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Originally Posted by zeke92
do a small water change every 30 minutes then. is the air hose in the sump? not sure how a bunch of accidentle air in there lungs can do.
I did a google search for information on how to raise these babies and found an article written by Dan Underwood called "A Scalable Method of Raising Hippocampus erectus" in which he gives detailed instructions on our to build a tank set up for raising the fry. It took a couple days to get it set up and running but all the babies have been transferred over and they seem to be doing okay. I recommend anyone having male and female Hippocampus erectus seahorses in the same tank do a search for the pdf file as it has a lot of very good info on how to raise the fry.
do a small water change every 30 minutes then. is the air hose in the sump? not sure how a bunch of accidentle air in there lungs can do.
I did a google search for information on how to raise these babies and found an article written by Dan Underwood called "A Scalable Method of Raising Hippocampus erectus" in which he gives detailed instructions on our to build a tank set up for raising the fry. It took a couple days to get it set up and running but all the babies have been transferred over and they seem to be doing okay. I recommend anyone having male and female Hippocampus erectus seahorses in the same tank do a search for the pdf file as it has a lot of very good info on how to raise the fry.
old_salt
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Originally Posted by zeke92
looks nice. make sure to keep any intakes covered with foam or sponge. make sure there is no dead spots in the tank and the flow isn't strong.
There is only one overflow and it has a sponge that is covered with a piece of panty hose. I've already had a couple of the babies pulled against it but they were able to break free on their own. There is an airline hose at one end of the tank, without a stone and the return hose from the sump is aimed at the oposite end of the tank, creating somewhat of a Kreisel effect. I plan on shutting both pumps down during feeding time for the first few weeks. My biggest problem is not knowing how much live baby brine and rotifers I should feed the fry. I've read one book that says to feed only as much as they will eat in one hour and another that says they should have live food available 24 hours per day. Any ideas?
looks nice. make sure to keep any intakes covered with foam or sponge. make sure there is no dead spots in the tank and the flow isn't strong.
There is only one overflow and it has a sponge that is covered with a piece of panty hose. I've already had a couple of the babies pulled against it but they were able to break free on their own. There is an airline hose at one end of the tank, without a stone and the return hose from the sump is aimed at the oposite end of the tank, creating somewhat of a Kreisel effect. I plan on shutting both pumps down during feeding time for the first few weeks. My biggest problem is not knowing how much live baby brine and rotifers I should feed the fry. I've read one book that says to feed only as much as they will eat in one hour and another that says they should have live food available 24 hours per day. Any ideas?
zeke92
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no, heck no, no live foods besides maby brine when there babies. you want to keep them on frozen myssi sand occaisonal brine when there babies. and then keep them on frozen brine, special pellets and flakes, and frozen foods whent hey get older. live foods ar ebad to get them on.
only use live foods for now, except for mysis, cause there babies.
only use live foods for now, except for mysis, cause there babies.
old_salt
Member
Originally Posted by Myers93
How did the water change go? How many fry do u have left? How hard do u think it is to raise them? srry i am askin too many questions but i am plannin on having fry soon....
Good luck!
Laura
Hi Laura,
The water change went well (I think!). As of tonight there have been no losses. There is one acting like it might be sick but I really can be sure. It swims to the top of the water and just drifts back down to the bottom. I think it is going to be difficult to raise them primarily because I wasn't prepared. I'm still not sure if I'm feeding them the right strain of rotifers as I can't even see anything in the package. Raising the baby brine shrimp is fairly easy, but I keep running out. I have ordered another hatchery and a 1/2lb of eggs from a company on line as none of the LFS's had any of the type I needed in stock. I am very happy with how they are doing so far but until they reach week 7 or 8 and eating frozen mysis I won't be able to relax. Do a search for the pdf file I mentioned above and you'll get a better idea of what all is involved in raising the babies. I hope this helps.
How did the water change go? How many fry do u have left? How hard do u think it is to raise them? srry i am askin too many questions but i am plannin on having fry soon....
Good luck!
Laura
Hi Laura,
The water change went well (I think!). As of tonight there have been no losses. There is one acting like it might be sick but I really can be sure. It swims to the top of the water and just drifts back down to the bottom. I think it is going to be difficult to raise them primarily because I wasn't prepared. I'm still not sure if I'm feeding them the right strain of rotifers as I can't even see anything in the package. Raising the baby brine shrimp is fairly easy, but I keep running out. I have ordered another hatchery and a 1/2lb of eggs from a company on line as none of the LFS's had any of the type I needed in stock. I am very happy with how they are doing so far but until they reach week 7 or 8 and eating frozen mysis I won't be able to relax. Do a search for the pdf file I mentioned above and you'll get a better idea of what all is involved in raising the babies. I hope this helps.
teresaq
Active Member
Originally Posted by zeke92
no, heck no, no live foods besides maby brine when there babies. you want to keep them on frozen myssi sand occaisonal brine when there babies. and then keep them on frozen brine, special pellets and flakes, and frozen foods whent hey get older. live foods ar ebad to get them on.
only use live foods for now, except for mysis, cause there babies.
These babies are to young for any frozen. In a month or two you can try adding shaved mysis. but do know that they are way tooo small to snick anything bigger then baby brine.
no, heck no, no live foods besides maby brine when there babies. you want to keep them on frozen myssi sand occaisonal brine when there babies. and then keep them on frozen brine, special pellets and flakes, and frozen foods whent hey get older. live foods ar ebad to get them on.
only use live foods for now, except for mysis, cause there babies.
These babies are to young for any frozen. In a month or two you can try adding shaved mysis. but do know that they are way tooo small to snick anything bigger then baby brine.
zeke92
Active Member
Originally Posted by TeresaQ
These babies are to young for any frozen. In a month or two you can try adding shaved mysis. but do know that they are way tooo small to snick anything bigger then baby brine.
there is baby frozen mysis made specially for babies if he can find some. but whent here old enough you wann amake sure to go to frozen and flakes and stuff. live food seahorses are the worst to keep
come on, i know i'm not the only seahorse person on here, anyone else wanna help?
These babies are to young for any frozen. In a month or two you can try adding shaved mysis. but do know that they are way tooo small to snick anything bigger then baby brine.
there is baby frozen mysis made specially for babies if he can find some. but whent here old enough you wann amake sure to go to frozen and flakes and stuff. live food seahorses are the worst to keep
come on, i know i'm not the only seahorse person on here, anyone else wanna help?
rykna
Active Member
Originally Posted by zeke92
there is baby frozen mysis made specially for babies if he can find some. but whent here old enough you wann amake sure to go to frozen and flakes and stuff. live food seahorses are the worst to keep
come on, i know i'm not the only seahorse person on here, anyone else wanna help?
Ok...rolling up my sleeves, now...we have 50 hungry little babies....it's a good thing we don't have to change diapers. Old Salt, please email me at
rykna.olson@gmail.com
I have links to all your questions. I'll be home briefly fro 3- 5 pm today-and then back to work until 1am. I will try and get those sites to you between 3-5 if you can drop me a email code red baby seahorses
Rykna
there is baby frozen mysis made specially for babies if he can find some. but whent here old enough you wann amake sure to go to frozen and flakes and stuff. live food seahorses are the worst to keep
come on, i know i'm not the only seahorse person on here, anyone else wanna help?
Ok...rolling up my sleeves, now...we have 50 hungry little babies....it's a good thing we don't have to change diapers. Old Salt, please email me at
rykna.olson@gmail.com
I have links to all your questions. I'll be home briefly fro 3- 5 pm today-and then back to work until 1am. I will try and get those sites to you between 3-5 if you can drop me a email code red baby seahorses
Rykna
teresaq
Active Member
Raising H. erectus fry
By David Mulcahy
[hr]
Feeding Babies:
These comments are based upon my experience raising 42 baby H. erectus from three different broods to adulthood. At this date (June '03) the oldest group is now one year old.
On day one the newborn fry were able to eat newly hatched artemia, baby brine shrimp (bbs). For this reason and because the literature I had read did not indicate a need for rotifers as a first food I did not offer rotifers. Because of my work schedule I was only able to feed twice daily at approximately 12 hour intervals, typically 6-7 am and 6-7 pm. I feel that a third midday feeding would be beneficial but my schedule prevents it. While there are numerous reports that it is necessary to remove uneaten bbs after a short feeding period I did not do this. I kept the fry in "flow through" type nurseries that slowly washed uneaten food out over a period of 1-3 hours. In some cases I left food in with the fry almost constantly, it didn't seem to affect survival rates.
As soon as the fry were large enough to take 24 hour old fortified brine shrimp I stopped feeding the fresh hatch and fed fortified exclusively. This varied somewhat with the size and growth of the fry but in all cases was within one week from birth.
Additionally I offered small amounts of frozen Cyclops-eeze to the fry from the first day. Most simply ignored it but some took it so I continued right up to the completed switch to frozen Hikari mysis.
As the fry grew I began to add newborn lysmata shrimp larvae to the diet. As soon as they were large enough to eat them I fed out as much as I could capture, typically once or twice per week.
At about six weeks many of the fry were large enough to eat fortified adult brine shrimp. I began to add these to the diet as well, all the while continuing with the bbs, Cyclops and shrimp larvae. After a few days of adding the live adult brine shrimp I began to mix in some frozen brine shrimp as well. Many of the fry began to eat the frozen as readily as any of the live foods offered. I always added all of the foods at the same time hoping that they would fall into a sort of "feeding frenzy" and start to eat the frozen even if by accident. This seemed to work. Shortly after a good number of the fry were eating the frozen adult brine shrimp I began to add Hikari frozen mysis shrimp, picking only the smallest ones sorted by hand.
As more and more fry took to the frozen brine and mysis I dialed back on the live bbs accordingly. I always offered the lysmata larvae if I had them. By the end of the eighth week the entire group had been successfully weaned onto the frozen Hikari though I still offered small amounts of the other foods for another two weeks or so. As the fry continued to grow I fed progressively larger Hikari mysis and made the switch to Piscene Energetics mysis shrimp quite easily.
Personally I feel that the addition of the Lysmata shrimp larvae helped greatly with the growth and survival of the fry, despite the fact that they were only given sporadically. I breed two species, Peppermint shrimp and Scarlet Cleaner shrimp. Both are commonly available, inexpensive and breed readily in home aquaria. Unfortunately they are too large for newly born babies. Recently I have begun collecting hermit crab larvae which are smaller and may be of great value. Also I now have a pair of Oscellaris clownfish that are spawning regularly, I have added these larvae to diet as well.
I hope the above information answers your questions and is helpful to your breeding program.
Most recent revision: June 2003
By David Mulcahy
[hr]
Feeding Babies:
These comments are based upon my experience raising 42 baby H. erectus from three different broods to adulthood. At this date (June '03) the oldest group is now one year old.
On day one the newborn fry were able to eat newly hatched artemia, baby brine shrimp (bbs). For this reason and because the literature I had read did not indicate a need for rotifers as a first food I did not offer rotifers. Because of my work schedule I was only able to feed twice daily at approximately 12 hour intervals, typically 6-7 am and 6-7 pm. I feel that a third midday feeding would be beneficial but my schedule prevents it. While there are numerous reports that it is necessary to remove uneaten bbs after a short feeding period I did not do this. I kept the fry in "flow through" type nurseries that slowly washed uneaten food out over a period of 1-3 hours. In some cases I left food in with the fry almost constantly, it didn't seem to affect survival rates.
As soon as the fry were large enough to take 24 hour old fortified brine shrimp I stopped feeding the fresh hatch and fed fortified exclusively. This varied somewhat with the size and growth of the fry but in all cases was within one week from birth.
Additionally I offered small amounts of frozen Cyclops-eeze to the fry from the first day. Most simply ignored it but some took it so I continued right up to the completed switch to frozen Hikari mysis.
As the fry grew I began to add newborn lysmata shrimp larvae to the diet. As soon as they were large enough to eat them I fed out as much as I could capture, typically once or twice per week.
At about six weeks many of the fry were large enough to eat fortified adult brine shrimp. I began to add these to the diet as well, all the while continuing with the bbs, Cyclops and shrimp larvae. After a few days of adding the live adult brine shrimp I began to mix in some frozen brine shrimp as well. Many of the fry began to eat the frozen as readily as any of the live foods offered. I always added all of the foods at the same time hoping that they would fall into a sort of "feeding frenzy" and start to eat the frozen even if by accident. This seemed to work. Shortly after a good number of the fry were eating the frozen adult brine shrimp I began to add Hikari frozen mysis shrimp, picking only the smallest ones sorted by hand.
As more and more fry took to the frozen brine and mysis I dialed back on the live bbs accordingly. I always offered the lysmata larvae if I had them. By the end of the eighth week the entire group had been successfully weaned onto the frozen Hikari though I still offered small amounts of the other foods for another two weeks or so. As the fry continued to grow I fed progressively larger Hikari mysis and made the switch to Piscene Energetics mysis shrimp quite easily.
Personally I feel that the addition of the Lysmata shrimp larvae helped greatly with the growth and survival of the fry, despite the fact that they were only given sporadically. I breed two species, Peppermint shrimp and Scarlet Cleaner shrimp. Both are commonly available, inexpensive and breed readily in home aquaria. Unfortunately they are too large for newly born babies. Recently I have begun collecting hermit crab larvae which are smaller and may be of great value. Also I now have a pair of Oscellaris clownfish that are spawning regularly, I have added these larvae to diet as well.
I hope the above information answers your questions and is helpful to your breeding program.
Most recent revision: June 2003
teresaq
Active Member
Originally Posted by Old_Salt
I did a google search for information on how to raise these babies and found an article written by Dan Underwood called "A Scalable Method of Raising Hippocampus erectus" in which he gives detailed instructions on our to build a tank set up for raising the fry. .
This is a wonderful artical and Dan is an expert in raising Erectis. I wish I could post it here, but its way to long. It has everything from tank to feedings.
I like it much better then the artical I posted above.
TeresaQ