sea goblin
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so what do you guys think about a possible war in Iraq? lets hear what our local comunity has to say about it.
OT: war in Iraq
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flamingkingofhe
Active Member
i think insane housane needs to be whacked
radioactive
Member
I am sure this will help the 100,000 people that have lost their jobs in the last 2-1/2 years . 
I think we should focus on our own people and if you are going to war do it and get it over with . Has anyone looked at their retirement lately ?
but , jmo
I think we should focus on our own people and if you are going to war do it and get it over with . Has anyone looked at their retirement lately ?
but , jmo
slick
Active Member
This will no dought be a heated debate. This is my view. Our nation right now needs to work on it's self. I understand the want to keep everyone safe. The only way to do this is make sure some countries/people don't have weapons that can cause massive damage. But we have a lot of problems of our own we need to be dealing with. Our econmy right now is not doing very good. Our debt is huge. And people are loosing jobs. I personally don't have a clear cut opinion on this. Yes we should do something. But no we should not go it alone.
wamp
Active Member
Be carefull here... Don't want to step on toes...
It is my belief that if it is to be, than UN backing should be a must. We are not responsible to police the world. It's the UN job to do that. We must respect their wishes or we are no better than the renegade states. Our views, just like our opinions on fish, are just that, Ours. They belive they are right, we belive we are right. There will never be an end to that. Where there is right, there is wrong, Black and White. We all think we are right.
To go to war in the name of 9-11, in my view, is not a good idea. We are all smart here, we know there is more to the story than we are hearing. There are other intrest over there.. So, don't go to war on my behalf. Go to war on the people of Iraqi's behalf. Liberate that nation in hopes of ending the suffering of it's people. I have a house, a car and am I not affraid of Bush coming to my house and torturing me. They deserve the same.
A resolution can be found. You just have to know where to look.
Wamp for president in 2018!!!
P.S. I also agree that alot more needs to be done here in the US about the Jobs issue, the Economy and look at the Gas Prices!!! now tell me were not after any of that pie over there. I have not seen the price of CD players go up yet so I can tell were not going to war with Korea... yet....
Don't want to step on toes...It is my belief that if it is to be, than UN backing should be a must. We are not responsible to police the world. It's the UN job to do that. We must respect their wishes or we are no better than the renegade states. Our views, just like our opinions on fish, are just that, Ours. They belive they are right, we belive we are right. There will never be an end to that. Where there is right, there is wrong, Black and White. We all think we are right.
To go to war in the name of 9-11, in my view, is not a good idea. We are all smart here, we know there is more to the story than we are hearing. There are other intrest over there.. So, don't go to war on my behalf. Go to war on the people of Iraqi's behalf. Liberate that nation in hopes of ending the suffering of it's people. I have a house, a car and am I not affraid of Bush coming to my house and torturing me. They deserve the same.
A resolution can be found. You just have to know where to look.
Wamp for president in 2018!!!
P.S. I also agree that alot more needs to be done here in the US about the Jobs issue, the Economy and look at the Gas Prices!!! now tell me were not after any of that pie over there. I have not seen the price of CD players go up yet so I can tell were not going to war with Korea...
yet....
radioactive
Member
well stated wamp ... I will vote for you ..
timsedwards
Active Member
From a English point of view....
The world will be a safer place without hussain, no doubt.
War should always be the last resort.
Minimalise civilian casualties
Get UN Backing
Pray for peace.
Those are my thoughts, I hope it doesnt come to war and he disarms peacefully, but if he doesnt we shouldnt be afraid to rid him to make this world a safer place for our children.
Tim.
The world will be a safer place without hussain, no doubt.
War should always be the last resort.
Minimalise civilian casualties
Get UN Backing
Pray for peace.
Those are my thoughts, I hope it doesnt come to war and he disarms peacefully, but if he doesnt we shouldnt be afraid to rid him to make this world a safer place for our children.
Tim.
overanalyzer
Active Member
two things
1. Yes we need the OT section back
2. I agree with Slick - the UN was set-up for a purpose ....
Having said that the US and Allied troops have my full support and I wish them nothign but great success and Godspeed!!
Keep them in your prayers
1. Yes we need the OT section back
2. I agree with Slick - the UN was set-up for a purpose ....
Having said that the US and Allied troops have my full support and I wish them nothign but great success and Godspeed!!
Keep them in your prayers
blue dew
Member
I agree with the points you made Tim. The world would be a better place without Saddam in it. It would also be a better place without Kim Jong II and I feel he is even more of a threat. He doesn't have anything to lose since his people are already starving, North Korea has no resources to speak of and his country is on a constant wartime footing. Plus, he is way closer to having nukes than Saddam is (Might already have them) and may be crazy enough to use them...
goldrush
Member
I've heard the"we are not responsible for policing the world" story many times. This may have been true years ago when the Soviet Union was a world power and there was some strength in Europe. Like it or not,we are the ONLY super power now,and yes we ARE responsible for policing the world. Tell us what other country is going to do it? The same people that are protesting this war,will be the biggest complainers the next time the terrorists strike. I can hear it now-"Why didn't our government do more to protect us?" I could go on forever,but I think everyone now knows how I feel now.
wamp
Active Member
goldrush
We are nowhere near the only superpower. The UN is a collection of countries in the world. They themselves are a superpower.
Korea is another rising power. The soviet Union is still a power house. My point, it is our arogance (at times) that leads to problems. We need to step out of the box and look at it from diffrent angles...
True, there may not be a larger army but, the fact is if we piss enough people off, a united group of millitant states can quickly become a superpower. We can stop this by allowing UN officials to do their job. Not saying not to go to war, but quit putting guidelines on other countries for our own intrests.
But I do understand waht you are saying.
We are nowhere near the only superpower. The UN is a collection of countries in the world. They themselves are a superpower.
Korea is another rising power. The soviet Union is still a power house. My point, it is our arogance (at times) that leads to problems. We need to step out of the box and look at it from diffrent angles...
True, there may not be a larger army but, the fact is if we piss enough people off, a united group of millitant states can quickly become a superpower. We can stop this by allowing UN officials to do their job. Not saying not to go to war, but quit putting guidelines on other countries for our own intrests.
But I do understand waht you are saying.
A
angelofdeath132
Guest
part of me says "yes", the other part of me,(the part with a dad,brother, and brother-in-law all in the Army) says"no," it looks like it's inevitable though, my brother just got his orders to go over within the next day or two but whatever the case, we need to go over and get the son of a
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this time!!and not leave until the job is done!!
but whatever the case, we need to go over and get the son of a[hr]
this time!!and not leave until the job is done!!
justinx
Active Member
This is going to be a very short point here, but I do think that the U.S. should go to war with Iraq. If we don't do something now, then he will make the first move which could be disasterous. As far as I can tell as of now, the currnet approach is not working. IMO, this is just delaying the inevitable and giving him more time to build his reserves. This is just my opinion and I am sure that many will disagree with me, so I apologize if I have offended anyone.
Another quick point, yes . . our economy is in bad shape. the one way to fix it, and I guarantee you 100% is to go to war. After the war has ended, the economy will be booming once again. Look at every major war that this country has had in the past . . . every one. If you analyze the economy both before and after, there will be staggering differences. The economy always has, and always will improve after a war. Its a matter of economics. Also, this is the reason why I am betting that the Bush will go to war.
Another quick point, yes . . our economy is in bad shape. the one way to fix it, and I guarantee you 100% is to go to war. After the war has ended, the economy will be booming once again. Look at every major war that this country has had in the past . . . every one. If you analyze the economy both before and after, there will be staggering differences. The economy always has, and always will improve after a war. Its a matter of economics. Also, this is the reason why I am betting that the Bush will go to war.
trompet3
Member
Wamp-
Unfortunately, the UN has been the biggest failure of any organization since its existence. It has become a organized forum for rampant anti-semetism. I find it to be a joke that the countries in charge of the commission on human rights and weapons destruction are Libya, Syria, and Iraq.
UNMOVIC has been unable to find any weapons of mass
destruction/WMD in Iraq despite everyone's knowing
they exist.
UN allowed inspectors to be kicked out of Iraq several
years ago.
UN inspectors were unable to detect N Korea's
developing nuclear weapons.
UN nuclear inspectors were unable to detect Pakistan's
developing nuclear weapons.
UN failed to prevent massacres in Kosovo despite being
there as peacekeepers.
UN failed to prevent massacres in Srebenica despite
being there as peacekeepers.
UN failed to prevent massacres in other parts of
former Yugoslavia despite being there as peacekeepers.
UN failed to prevent massacres in Rwanda despite being
there as peacekeepers.
UN failed to prevent terrorism against Israel after
Israel withdrew from Southern Lebanon, despite having
peacekeepers there.
On and on...the UN has lost any power in the world and has given terrorist states a voice in international affairs.
Not a personal knock on you, but just pointing out the failure of the UN.
Unfortunately, the UN has been the biggest failure of any organization since its existence. It has become a organized forum for rampant anti-semetism. I find it to be a joke that the countries in charge of the commission on human rights and weapons destruction are Libya, Syria, and Iraq.
UNMOVIC has been unable to find any weapons of mass
destruction/WMD in Iraq despite everyone's knowing
they exist.
UN allowed inspectors to be kicked out of Iraq several
years ago.
UN inspectors were unable to detect N Korea's
developing nuclear weapons.
UN nuclear inspectors were unable to detect Pakistan's
developing nuclear weapons.
UN failed to prevent massacres in Kosovo despite being
there as peacekeepers.
UN failed to prevent massacres in Srebenica despite
being there as peacekeepers.
UN failed to prevent massacres in other parts of
former Yugoslavia despite being there as peacekeepers.
UN failed to prevent massacres in Rwanda despite being
there as peacekeepers.
UN failed to prevent terrorism against Israel after
Israel withdrew from Southern Lebanon, despite having
peacekeepers there.
On and on...the UN has lost any power in the world and has given terrorist states a voice in international affairs.
Not a personal knock on you, but just pointing out the failure of the UN.
goldrush
Member
Wamp,This is my last comment on this topic. What is the Soviet Union doing about it? What is Korea doing about it? For that matter what is the United Nations doing about it ? Millitant states need to be stopped BEFORE they CAN unite and do what you suggest. I respect yours and everyone elses opinion,and even more so,your right to express it as we are doing here. God Bless America,and all the troops that are protecting and preserving the freedoms we enjoy.
radioactive
Member
As for the economy, the reason it is in such bad shape is because of 9/11
have you been watching the market ? the economy has slid ever since the election controversy , and has kept on going down . I agree 9/11 did play a big part in the US market hitting the skids , but it in no way was going up before 9/11 .
If investors have any doubt or are uncertain of future events that do not look positive there will always be a sell-off .. which unfortunatly involves each individual that has any money in a 401k and or money market ... IMO
I just hope this ends with as few tragedys as possible ....
have you been watching the market ? the economy has slid ever since the election controversy , and has kept on going down . I agree 9/11 did play a big part in the US market hitting the skids , but it in no way was going up before 9/11 .
If investors have any doubt or are uncertain of future events that do not look positive there will always be a sell-off .. which unfortunatly involves each individual that has any money in a 401k and or money market ... IMO
I just hope this ends with as few tragedys as possible ....
S
sebae0
Guest
unfortunatly we are looked at to police the world, if we dont do it who will? nobody wants to put their foot down except us and the britains.
if we werent the ones doing it and something did happen to another country who do you think their gonna call on to help? the united states thats who history has shown us that. if it wasnt for us there might not be a europe it might be germany, and we were trying not to get involved with that one.
i dont like war either but if its what has to be done then i will stand by my country's decision because afterall its the best one imo.
if we werent the ones doing it and something did happen to another country who do you think their gonna call on to help? the united states thats who history has shown us that. if it wasnt for us there might not be a europe it might be germany, and we were trying not to get involved with that one.
i dont like war either but if its what has to be done then i will stand by my country's decision because afterall its the best one imo.
trompet3
Member
Wamp-
Unfortunately, the UN has been the biggest failure of any organization since its existence. It has become a organized forum for rampant anti-semetism. I find it to be a joke that the countries in charge of the commission on human rights and weapons destruction are Libya, Syria, and Iraq.
UNMOVIC has been unable to find any weapons of mass
destruction/WMD in Iraq despite everyone's knowing
they exist.
UN allowed inspectors to be kicked out of Iraq several
years ago.
UN inspectors were unable to detect N Korea's
developing nuclear weapons.
UN nuclear inspectors were unable to detect Pakistan's
developing nuclear weapons.
UN failed to prevent massacres in Kosovo despite being
there as peacekeepers.
UN failed to prevent massacres in Srebenica despite
being there as peacekeepers.
UN failed to prevent massacres in other parts of
former Yugoslavia despite being there as peacekeepers.
UN failed to prevent massacres in Rwanda despite being
there as peacekeepers.
UN failed to prevent terrorism against Israel after
Israel withdrew from Southern Lebanon, despite having
peacekeepers there.
On and on...the UN has lost any power in the world and has given terrorist states a voice in international affairs.
Not a personal knock on you, but just pointing out the failure of the UN.
Unfortunately, the UN has been the biggest failure of any organization since its existence. It has become a organized forum for rampant anti-semetism. I find it to be a joke that the countries in charge of the commission on human rights and weapons destruction are Libya, Syria, and Iraq.
UNMOVIC has been unable to find any weapons of mass
destruction/WMD in Iraq despite everyone's knowing
they exist.
UN allowed inspectors to be kicked out of Iraq several
years ago.
UN inspectors were unable to detect N Korea's
developing nuclear weapons.
UN nuclear inspectors were unable to detect Pakistan's
developing nuclear weapons.
UN failed to prevent massacres in Kosovo despite being
there as peacekeepers.
UN failed to prevent massacres in Srebenica despite
being there as peacekeepers.
UN failed to prevent massacres in other parts of
former Yugoslavia despite being there as peacekeepers.
UN failed to prevent massacres in Rwanda despite being
there as peacekeepers.
UN failed to prevent terrorism against Israel after
Israel withdrew from Southern Lebanon, despite having
peacekeepers there.
On and on...the UN has lost any power in the world and has given terrorist states a voice in international affairs.
Not a personal knock on you, but just pointing out the failure of the UN.