yes,i too like swf, this is a very helpful site and i have ordered lots from them and dont plan to order from anyone else,,yes i know what a search engine is,,i would never go to any other site to order from,i just wanted a little help trying to get this new sand bed kick started,,maybe as a suggestion would swf find someone that only sells detrivore kits and sort of work out a deal with them or start carrying them thierselves,,that would be awesome,,,im not mad,its just the way beth phrased it ,i know she didnt mean it to sound bad,,it just hit me the wrong way at the time,,but all is good ,,im trying that search again and see what i can find this time,,,ty everyone