paperwork for foreclosures

[flower]

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight http:///forum/thread/381158/paperwork-for-foreclosures/20#post_3319422
I don't think it's exactly that. I think most young people would put work in, if their desires were meet. I think a lot of younger people view the world today with a 'why bother' attitude. Why bother that they would work their tail off at some entry level position, only to be able to afford a crappy car and a 1-bedroom apartment. I think a lot of younger people are pretty shortsighted in this regard. We want nice things and we want them now. Watch a couple episodes of House Hunters. Any young couple on there, expects granite countertops, wood floors, etc...

When I worked at Taco Bell OHHH so many years ago a young fellow was an assistant manager, he made $2.30 an hour and I made $1.75 an hour. He moved like a snail, never put any effort into anything he did in the place. I was running around like a chicken with its head cut off trying to get the food out to people..I had to work around him he was so slow.
I asked him once if he was slow or doing it on purpose. He said when he gets better pay he will bother to work faster. I thought to myself that IF he worked harder he would be worthy of a raise. But you know what, I opened that store and closed it, I ran the lunch rush by myself and when I asked for a raise so I could get $2.30 an hour, I was denied… so I quit and got the railroad job for $5.36 an hour.
So it isn’t just this generation. Hard work does not pay out. It’s all political, or who you know. Even on the railroad…34 years later and I’m still a coach cleaner, the pay is good and it’s the best I could do, but those who had the IN..are making $70.000.00 a year compared to my $48.000.00 and I have been there longer

 

[deejeff442]

seems you have to know someone to make it these days.a friend of mine here got a girlfriend that got him in at the railroad. he never graduated high school and screwed up evey job of mine i left him on.he now makes $82000 a year there.life aint fair thats for sure.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/381158/paperwork-for-foreclosures/40#post_3319579

When I worked at Taco Bell OHHH so many years ago a young fellow was an assistant manager, he made $2.30 an hour and I made $1.75 an hour. He moved like a snail, never put any effort into anything he did in the place. I was running around like a chicken with its head cut off trying to get the food out to people..I had to work around him he was so slow.
I asked him once if he was slow or doing it on purpose. He said when he gets better pay he will bother to work faster. I thought to myself that IF he worked harder he would be worthy of a raise. But you know what, I opened that store and closed it, I ran the lunch rush by myself and when I asked for a raise so I could get $2.30 an hour, I was denied… so I quit and got the railroad job for $5.36 an hour.
So it isn’t just this generation. Hard work does not pay out. It’s all political, or who you know. Even on the railroad…34 years later and I’m still a coach cleaner, the pay is good and it’s the best I could do, but those who had the IN..are making $70.000.00 a year compared to my $48.000.00 and I have been there longer
48 grand to clean a coach? WOW! I was in the wrong line of work.

 

[flower]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/381158/paperwork-for-foreclosures/40#post_3319605
48 grand to clean a coach? WOW! I was in the wrong line of work.

I have worked very hard for my money...a train is the length of a city block and I have carried buckets of water to the last car along with my bag carrying rags and cleaning solutions on my shoulder, a mop in one hand and the full bucket in the other. Fast forward 34 years (I don't work that hard anymore)..I can't hardly feel my hands, my back goes out so bad I can't even turn over in the bed. My feet hurt so bad to just step down sends pain to my teeth. Stairs, oh it hurts to go up and down steps, my knees have had it. I have 7 years to go before I can retire. I have full pension already because I have over 30 years in, but I am not old enough to collect it.
I am not complaining . I really don't feel bad about it because I agreed to work for my penny, and it's not a bad penny at that..If you don't have the education, you make your money by the strength of your back. I have raised my childern, I have plenty to live on and I have the joy of my fish tank, all on the money I have made on the railroad..
There is easier money and more to be had, but I'm not in the people to know circle...Pagano, the big boss, commited sucide by stepping out in front of one of the trains, it was in all the papers. He made over $250.000.00 a year and still ripped the company off in extra vacation time he took making an extra $52.000.00, when he was caught he killed himself. My little piece of the world is good and uncorrupted, just the way I like it.

 

[deejeff442]

good for you.pouring concrete for 22 years i feel your pain.
i heard today a friend in buffalo of mine fell on a construction site a few years ago.the other friend that told me said first friend didnt look like he was in any pain lately from it.he actually said he probably feels the same as we do now being in construction so long.well first friend sued and he just recently recieved an award for 2.6 million.man i am gunna grease up my shoes and stroll through walmart later today.not that i am jelious but come on millions for a sore back?

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/381158/paperwork-for-foreclosures/40#post_3319650

I have worked very hard for my money...a train is the length of a city block and I have carried buckets of water to the last car along with my bag carrying rags and cleaning solutions on my shoulder, a mop in one hand and the full bucket in the other. Fast forward 34 years (I don't work that hard anymore)..I can't hardly feel my hands, my back goes out so bad I can't even turn over in the bed. My feet hurt so bad to just step down sends pain to my teeth. Stairs, oh it hurts to go up and down steps, my knees have had it. I have 7 years to go before I can retire. I have full pension already because I have over 30 years in, but I am not old enough to collect it.
I am not complaining . I really don't feel bad about it because I agreed to work for my penny, and it's not a bad penny at that..If you don't have the education, you make your money by the strength of your back. I have raised my childern, I have plenty to live on and I have the joy of my fish tank, all on the money I have made on the railroad..
There is easier money and more to be had, but I'm not in the people to know circle...Pagano, the big boss, commited sucide by stepping out in front of one of the trains, it was in all the papers. He made over $250.000.00 a year and still ripped the company off in extra vacation time he took making an extra $52.000.00, when he was caught he killed himself. My little piece of the world is good and uncorrupted, just the way I like it.
Well, lets just say I can see why you need an in to get on there. I have known a couple ex railroad workers and it was the same deal with them. Of course both were also on disability from work related injuries, dangerous work. I tried to get on with a rail maintenance company and my in wasn't high enough up on the totem pole to get me on. I was bummed, would have been traveling all over Az, New Mexico, Utah and Colorado.
I remember talking with a girl who did the flagging for a road construction company in the mid 90's, the people who stand there with the slow or stop signs. She was averaging around 19.00 an hour if you did 40 hours 52 weeks a year. She said the job was a real drag. Heat, snow, obnoxious drivers and a lot of 12 and 14 hour days but she usually only worked 8 to 9 months a year depending on weather. You figure it on the hours she actually worked a year she was making more than you and this was in 95 or so.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by deejeff442 http:///forum/thread/381158/paperwork-for-foreclosures/40#post_3319660
good for you.pouring concrete for 22 years i feel your pain.
i heard today a friend in buffalo of mine fell on a construction site a few years ago.the other friend that told me said first friend didnt look like he was in any pain lately from it.he actually said he probably feels the same as we do now being in construction so long.well first friend sued and he just recently recieved an award for 2.6 million.man i am gunna grease up my shoes and stroll through walmart later today.not that i am jelious but come on millions for a sore back?
Damn. I was left 100% totally disabled from a work related wreck and didn't get but about a quarter of what that guy did. Maybe I should have gotten greedy and sued my employer for making my stuff myself into a nissan pickup when I am just over 6'5. Even an extended cab might have seriously reduced my injuries but NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

[stdreb27]

you can make some crazy money working for the railroad. They seem to have struck a decent balance between the union and the employer, at least at BNSF. The engineers get like 80k a couple years in.

 

[flower]

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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/381158/paperwork-for-foreclosures/40#post_3320003
you can make some crazy money working for the railroad. They seem to have struck a decent balance between the union and the employer, at least at BNSF. The engineers get like 80k a couple years in.

Ah the union...right now a person who gets hired at whatever craft gets that pay from day one. Everyone makes the same money. So if you became a Coach cleaner you would be making the same money I do, even though I have been working 34 years. the engineers and conductors get paid by the miles they travel. Some jobs pay more some less, some 6 days some 4. So everyone may get $15.00 a mile...it all depends by seniority which job you can hold. The guy making 80K may of traveled 4 trips a day. Then there is overtime and Holidays...double time plus half. Now that’s sweet.
I am a coach cleaner on night shift at an out laying point. I don't scrub the floors or shine the chrome and I don't scrub the bathrooms anymore either. That hard job I worked for 12 years (walking a mile with mop bucket and tools), when I got higher on the sonority scale I went where the pay was the same but the work was easier. Now I turn the seats around and pick up trash off the floor and empty the garbage cans. I can’t scrub and shine the trains like I did back in the day.
I am the only coach cleaner to have ever gotten a letter of accommodation on how good I cleaned. It’s just a letter of acknowledgement, but it’s the only one ever given and I got it. When I was able to scrub the train..it glowed like a new car. I always do my best.

 

[ironeagle2006]

I here you on the Working Hard. Before I devolped my Epilepsy at 25 I was an OTR driver. The Last company I drove for the boss had a list of Drivers he if he restarted the COmpany who he would hire to do so. I was at the Top of the list. Some of the Senior drivers at the company were mad about that so they bitched at the Owner he goes how many of you would do what he does Week in Week OUT to save Loads Save Customers for Us. He has saved More Clinets in teh Last 3 Months because of how he has recused Loads From IDIOTS like you that refuse to run than I can think of.

 

[reefraff]

That in a nutshell explains the basic flaw of union employment. Little or no financial risk/reward for quality of work. A few weeks ago there was a news report showing UAW members drinking and smoking pot on their lunch break. As a result of the report Chrysler fired those they could identify. The union is fighting the action. WTH? This isn't a minor infraction or a questionable rule, it's common sense 101.
In my wild eyed youth I did like Eagle and Flower. Make a effort to do the jobs nobody else wanted to. It took me just under 3 years to go from rookie fresh out of trade school to senior technician. Lot of overtime involved in that move. Job I had before that was a couple years to go from clerk to manager. In both jobs I stepped over a lot of people who had been around a lot longer than I had.

 

[flower]

The problem is beyond anything I could think of of fix..those without a union have no real income and work long hours and are at the mercy of the boss, who isn't always fair. I know one lady who, after working five years in a factory got a nickle raise and they took it back after three months because the company insisted it was too much and they couldn't handle it. With a union, you get the highest pay.
My Husband (now X) worked for the same company for 10 years, went to work one morning and was handed a pink slip..he got fired. When he asked why they told him they didn't need a reason. With a union, it's like going to court, they have to show cause.
I also know people who have worked for years.doing a good job trying to climb up the ladder only to be passed up and the job given to some kid that just came in off the streets. With a union, they give the promotion to someone in the company..if nobody is fit for the job that bids on it..THEN they move to hire from the streets for any possition.
Lazy good for nothing employees are in all crafts and in all kinds of possitions, union or no. Look at the young man in my Taco Bells story, there was no union..I worked like a dog for $1.75 an hour and HE got the possition making the $2.30 and was lazy to boot. Oh I might also mention minimum wage was the $2.30 an hour. Taco Bell was a resturant so could get away with lower wages because resturant people make up the difference in tips. One person offered me a quarter once...the manager pushed he quarter back to him and said "no tips allowed, it was a pleasure to serve you". That would not happen with a union, I would have at least gotten minimum wage.
In the end I hate/love my union. I can't imagine working without one.

 

[dragonzim]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/381158/paperwork-for-foreclosures/40#post_3319605
48 grand to clean a coach? WOW! I was in the wrong line of work.
I know around here the conductors on the trains (the guys that punch your ticket) make 6 figures after just a few years on the job. You need to know someone, be related, blood brothers or promise your first born to get one of those jobs...

 

[flower]

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Originally Posted by DragonZim http:///forum/thread/381158/paperwork-for-foreclosures/40#post_3320101
I know around here the conductors on the trains (the guys that punch your ticket) make 6 figures after just a few years on the job. You need to know someone, be related, blood brothers or promise your first born to get one of those jobs...

No relatives can be hired anymore...You need to know someone, your blood or first born isn't good enough..it is all political now, and yes they make 6 figures.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/381158/paperwork-for-foreclosures/40#post_3320099

The problem is beyond anything I could think of of fix..those without a union have no real income and work long hours and are at the mercy of the boss, who isn't always fair. I know one lady who, after working five years in a factory got a nickle raise and they took it back after three months because the company insisted it was too much and they couldn't handle it. With a union, you get the highest pay.
My Husband (now X) worked for the same company for 10 years, went to work one morning and was handed a pink slip..he got fired. When he asked why they told him they didn't need a reason. With a union, it's like going to court, they have to show cause.
I also know people who have worked for years.doing a good job trying to climb up the ladder only to be passed up and the job given to some kid that just came in off the streets. With a union, they give the promotion to someone in the company..if nobody is fit for the job that bids on it..THEN they move to hire from the streets for any possition.
Lazy good for nothing employees are in all crafts and in all kinds of possitions, union or no. Look at the young man in my Taco Bells story, there was no union..I worked like a dog for $1.75 an hour and HE got the possition making the $2.30 and was lazy to boot. Oh I might also mention minimum wage was the $2.30 an hour. Taco Bell was a resturant so could get away with lower wages because resturant people make up the difference in tips. One person offered me a quarter once...the manager pushed he quarter back to him and said "no tips allowed, it was a pleasure to serve you". That would not happen with a union, I would have at least gotten minimum wage.
In the end I hate/love my union. I can't imagine working without one.
In the end MOST unions make it nearly impossible to reward good employees or fire screw ups. The unions, back when they were a legitimate workers advocacy group got a lot of laws regarding working conditions and overtime passed. But now they do far more harm than good as a whole. If a person thinks they are worth more than they are earning they need to find a better job or do better at the one they have. State and federal laws cover overtime now so that isn't an issue so it comes down do wages and promotions. Well just because someone has been there longer does that mean they are better qualified to be promoted? No. Two people working the same yet one is more productive than the other. Doesn't the more productive worker deserve a better raise than the other? Yet under union rules it isn't allowed.

 

[smartorl]

Yep, you sacrifice any chance of being rewarded for a job well done for security and it's often a false sense at that. From my years of working with CSX, it tends to turn everyone into a mediocre drone at best.
You can walk into the Taft office on any day, seven or eight people sitting there and the phones will be ringing off the hook and yet, no one takes the initiative to answer it. My drivers can be delayed hours because the train which was supposed to be grounded at 0500, is still all up at 0800, while the crew is on a coffee break. In the real world, not doing your job would likely mean you worked through your break!
Sometimes, I really miss those carefree, lazy days. But at the time people's laziness drove me nuts.

 

[flower]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/381158/paperwork-for-foreclosures/40#post_3320129
In the end MOST unions make it nearly impossible to reward good employees or fire screw ups. The unions, back when they were a legitimate workers advocacy group got a lot of laws regarding working conditions and overtime passed. But now they do far more harm than good as a hole. If a person thinks they are worth more than they are earning they need to find a better job or do better at the one they have. State and federal laws cover overtime now so that isn't an issue so it comes down do wages and promotions. Well just because someone has been there longer does that mean they are better qualified to be promoted? No. Two people working the same yet one is more productive than the other. Doesn't the more productive worker deserve a better raise than the other? Yet under union rules it isn't allowed.

Not true... with our union anyway. I absolutely agree they can't get rid of screw ups or reward good workers. However, promotions are not according to sonority ...everyone bids on a job when it comes up.. the most sonority will get the SAME job different area, such as my case. However on promotions they have interviews and it is up to the management who is best qualified or desired for the job.
That's where the in the know comes in handy. If you don't have connections you don't get the promotion. I had applied for a foremans possition so did another coach cleaner, who was well known for being lazy at work and coming in late. It was a new possition for a boss over cleaners. This lady was many years under my time in although she was older and I had the letter of accommodation for being a great cleaner and I had only been late once in 25 years because of a snow storm. She had an "IN" with the big boys..she got the job.
It turned out okay in the end..because she was my friend, and now I had an IN. I lived in Wisconsin and she worked in Chicago. My kids didn't want to relocate to Chicago to work...I think my kids were idiots but....they could of gotten a job because I knew this lady, she retired last year. So I am talking about something that happened many years ago. Now family can't be hired...a notice was sent out last month.

 

[deejeff442]

imo unions suck.all they do is protect useless workers,if someone gets a drinking on the job or fails a drug test the union will object and the worker has an addiction problem.watch the guys fired will go to aaa and be rehired with back pay.i pay my employees well over the going rate for what they do.if someone works for nonunion and gets bad pay quit.i wish i could find more workers with the skills i need i would love not having to do half the work myself.i worked for a union factory for 6 months out of high school.all the people there did was complain about the work.it wasnt really hard work either driving forklifts.bitch bitch bitch all the time.file a grievance for stupid things.when the factory took a down turn and were going to lay off everyone was crying about losing their jobs.willing to take a pay cut.what a joke.

 

[smartorl]

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/381158/paperwork-for-foreclosures/40#post_3320143

Not true... with our union anyway. I absolutely agree they can't get rid of screw ups or reward good workers. However, promotions are not according to sonority ...everyone bids on a job when it comes up.. the most sonority will get the SAME job different area, such as my case. However on promotions they have interviews and it is up to the management who is best qualified or desired for the job.
That's where the in the know comes in handy. If you don't have connections you don't get the promotion. I had applied for a foremans possition so did another coach cleaner, who was well known for being lazy at work and coming in late. It was a new possition for a boss over cleaners. This lady was many years under my time in although she was older and I had the letter of accommodation for being a great cleaner and I had only been late once in 25 years because of a snow storm. She had an "IN" with the big boys..she got the job.
It turned out okay in the end..because she was my friend, and now I had an IN. I lived in Wisconsin and she worked in Chicago. My kids didn't want to relocate to Chicago to work...I think my kids were idiots but....they could of gotten a job because I knew this lady, she retired last year. So I am talking about something that happened many years ago. Now family can't be hired...a notice was sent out last month.
Ah, but there lies the flip side. Without the union, the dipshits more than likely wouldn't have positions to make the decisions. Those who are making the decisions have been often been there a long time and worked through the ranks of the "apply as little effort as neccessary to look productive".
I have noticed, the qualified, go getters often get passed over and I firmly believe it's because their productivity will make everyone else look less productive. Like welcomes like.

 

[flower]

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Originally Posted by smartorl http:///forum/thread/381158/paperwork-for-foreclosures/40#post_3320172
Ah, but there lies the flip side. Without the union, the dipshits more than likely wouldn't have positions to make the decisions. Those who are making the decisions have been often been there a long time and worked through the ranks of the "apply as little effort as neccessary to look productive".
I have noticed, the qualified, go getters often get passed over and I firmly believe it's because their productivity will make everyone else look less productive. Like welcomes like.

There is a great deal of truth to this...I have even been told of people approaching others and telling them to slow down, they make others look bad. As a coach cleaner I work alone, but those in an office or who work with partners..absolutely true.