Picasso Clowns??

viper_930

viper_930

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True
One problem is a good portion of clownfish breeders would actually refuse to breed clownfish like picassos. Their coloration is not natural. Some, as I, believe only clowns with good genes should be bred, not clowns with deformities like misbars.
I had planned to breed a pair of black/white ocellaris I got from this site but decided not to. One in the pair retained the orange face and had a bulldog-looking face. It's just not a feature I would like to replicate.
Did you get a chance to talk to your boss today about the snowflakes? Quality Marine in LA is the only wholesaler I know and they only get a pair or two per month, but there may be more dealers for them.
 
zanoshanox

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I talked to him...and I guess this June we're taking a roadtrip down to some wholesaler down in LA...I guess they're supposed to be the biggest one in the states or something. But on the note of the clowns, he said he had never seen them before. He had had a few of the snowflakes from time to time, before I worked there, but he said they dont come along very often, and he had never seen the picassos. I took the pic on my avatar and showed it to him, he said he had never seen any with coloration that intense. But hopefully we're talking about the same wholesaler, and I will get a chance to pick up some in June!
 
reef diver

reef diver

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Just remember like viper said, that none of the offspring have the coloration of their father. Also, I agree with viper on the clean breeding.
 
tpdpercula

tpdpercula

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Heres the story on the pictured, one of a kind PICASSO. This was the original WC specimen purchased by ORA. Like I said its one of a kinda and is the fathering male for all of the Picassos bred/sold.
 
srfisher17

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I'm not sure about the clowns in the thread. But; I'm sure, as aquaculture advances, a lot of what used to be considered "freaks" will be sold as new "varieties" of clown. They'd never make it in the wild, because they can't attract a mate. FW angelfish, discus, and who knows how many other FW fish don't even resemble the wild fish. I bred discus, quite a while ago to support my addiction,and always re-introduced wild fish into my breeding lines; I often saw interesting "freaks, or Morphs" and the were culled to keep the strain as pure as possible. IMO, in a hobby where we strive to duplicate nature....oh well, everyone has an opinion and they are pretty. But knowing they aren't the "real thing" makes me prefer the original. Don't get me wrong; they're beautiful fish and I'm not saying "don't buy them". But; I'm afraid that in 20 years; a real perc will never be seen in the hobby. Then, percs will again be collected, which defeats the purpose of "aquaculture" in the first place.
 
viper_930

viper_930

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Originally Posted by srfisher17
I'm not sure about the clowns in the thread. But; I'm sure, as aquaculture advances, a lot of what used to be considered "freaks" will be sold as new "varieties" of clown. They'd never make it in the wild, because they can't attract a mate.
How so? There's many breeding misbars in the wild and even hybridizing clownfish pairs.
 
srfisher17

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Originally Posted by ViPeR_930
How so? There's many breeding misbars in the wild and even hybridizing clownfish pairs.
But they don't reproduce and form quantities of the the morph;not just because of their limited numbers, a morph usually cannot attract a mate. True hybrids cannot reproduce at all. So when the morph or hybrids life ends; so does its genetic make-up. Aquaculture encourages the reproduction of these fish into whole new, marketable strains. I sure thinks its great if someone wants these fish, they're beautiful; and aquaculture, especially coral fragging, is great.I'm just trying to cite another side of the business that is often seen as the savior of the reef world.
 
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smartorl

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ORA is releasing limited quanties of Picassos. I got a pair and a friend got another pair. I say pair loosely, they are not a mated pair, they are just two juveniles. I am VERY happy with their coloration, I was really concerned about that. The only thing with mine are the black lines are not fully developed yet but otherwise the patterning is very close to what I was expecting. I paid right at $200 for both of them.
 
maelv

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Originally Posted by smartorl
ORA is releasing limited quanties of Picassos. I got a pair and a friend got another pair. I say pair loosely, they are not a mated pair, they are just two juveniles. I am VERY happy with their coloration, I was really concerned about that. The only thing with mine are the black lines are not fully developed yet but otherwise the patterning is very close to what I was expecting. I paid right at $200 for both of them.
show us pics if you don't mind....
thanks.
 
srfisher17

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There's another man-made perc, the "Black Onyx"--I guess if you breed it you name it. (I think I'll breed a damsel that leaps into a net as soon as he sees it; I'll get the trademark name " Swirlee"Damsel.) A SWF.c competitor has a pair on todays "divers Den", about $200, you'll have to google it to get the pic.
 
maelv

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Just saw it.....i have seen onyx clowns before, and that is a rather steep price for them...more common than the Picassos....Personally I like the Picasso more.
 
viper_930

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That white ocellaris is trippy. I wonder if it was a result of selective breeding snowflake ocellaris clowns.
Black onyx are actually a naturally occuring morph from PNG and Solomons.
 
srfisher17

srfisher17

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Originally Posted by ViPeR_930
That white ocellaris is trippy. I wonder if it was a result of selective breeding snowflake ocellaris clowns.
Black onyx are actually a naturally occuring morph from PNG and Solomons.
You're right. So many species vary depending on location. The site that sent me this pic usually identifies the country of origin; but not on this one. (I know the company that has this pair offers many Solomon Island fish.) So I assumed it was home grown, I assume way too much sometimes!
 
demartini

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zanoshanox, if you're still looking for picasso clowns they have some at Atlantis Aquarium in Union City. I just bought a pair yesterday. They were only $50
 
fishycpa

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Originally Posted by DeMartini
zanoshanox, if you're still looking for picasso clowns they have some at Atlantis Aquarium in Union City. I just bought a pair yesterday. They were only $50
PICS!...that sould go without saying
 
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reefernana

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Originally Posted by DeMartini
zanoshanox, if you're still looking for picasso clowns they have some at Atlantis Aquarium in Union City. I just bought a pair yesterday. They were only $50
Hey, Lauren, was that each or for both??? Hi, by the way!
 
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