Plan to Deploy Guard at Border Worries Mexico

[halo_frk03]

Originally Posted by Jhov2324
I was born in California, rasied in NYC, but of PuertoRican and Mexican decent. So I too am an American. I guess it's just me and HALO. LOL
lol guess so...
my grandparents on one side were born in Ireland and immigrated here
my other grandparents were born in Austria and immigrated here
america is a land of immigrants.... it is the greatest country in the world....we need to protect our borders but continue to allow people to come in the country legally

 

[jhov2324]

HOLLA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey i have food for thought, you know how the cubans are always making vessels out of anything and reaching the florida waters, do you think that the builders deserve to stay if they make it. C'mon, building a boat to transport 50 Cubans out of barrels and car pieces is pretty amazing, at least give them a chance.

 

[sinner's girl]

hey are on a fixed pay scale....... your not paying them "extra" at all.
I think we'll be paying for more guards, not paying the ones we have more money.
what good would it do to guard the boarder for 2 weekends a month? then they can just come over on a different day?

 

[lovethesea]

Originally Posted by Darth Tang
Incidentally congress is now passing a bill to build a fence of approximately 300 some odd miles along the border right now. About time.

lets see how many illegals get caught trying for this job. Or how many contractors will get caught using them

:thinking:

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by AlaRedSox
My buddy at work has the right idea on how to make this work. Keep in mind we work in a government installation on an Army post and the current proposal is not a good fix for the problem. It just means another indefinite deployment without a clear executable plan. Basically our border will be protected 2 weekends a month.
The way to approach this situation is to give every Mexican a US Tax ID number and open our border completely. If they choose to work in the states they will pay taxes, if not then they still have the option but are not required to pay income tax. Basically set it up as a commonwealth. THEN we help them seal their southern border. Their border is MUCH smaller and easier to monitor. Voila! Instant drop in South American drug trade and Mexico and the US are MUCH richer. It really would be a win-win situation. Mexican citizens would not be elligible to vote but would be legal to work. The Mexican southern border would also require only a handful of troops as opposed to thousands. As far as language is concerned....I agree that they should at least be able to communicate clearly in English. However, we do not have an official language which means that it is not illegal or even wrong for them to speak their native tongue. We have just as much responsibility to learn Spanish if we know we will be working with them. Our forefathers had the foresight to understand that if we were to truly be a nation of free souls then we could not put limitations on language and creed (later race). Ever go to france or certain parts of germany where they wont even look at you if you cant speak their language FLUENTLY?? Its the same thing. Prejudice. The only difference is that they do have an official language. And to whoever said that having multiple official languages doesnt work I beg to differ. Most EU countried have at least 2 official lanaguages and often times many more.

the plan, as far as I understand it, is to ACTIVATE the Guard, not post them there twice monthly, so I don't agree.
I also don't agree about giving them tax id's and opening the borders to allow them to work and pay taxes. because they'd then have the option too to come here and sit on their butt and have us pay their healthcare, which is one of the main problems to begin with.
you are also wrong to say that it is our responsibility to learn spanish, it absolutely is not. english is the language that nearly 300 million people here speak, it's not 300 million peoples' responsibility to accomodate someone else. the point of european nations having 2 official languages is not even a point.....this is not Europe. Europe is a continent full of many different countries with different languages. North America is not.
no, I've never been to France or Germany and have them refuse to acknowledge me for not knowing their language, because frankly, I've never seen a French or German that I cared to speak to. If I want to move there though, I'll learn their language.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by Jhov2324
In case ya didn't know American English is comprived of Latin and other languages, and more than 50% of Americans can't even speak good english, but your right they should learn the language, it's alittle annoying when the delivery man or a teacher or doctor or cab driver or waiter speaks and you don't understand them.
what is "good english"? are you talking about dialect? people from South Carolina, New Jersey, Wyoming, and Minnesota all sound very different from each other but can still understand each other, it's still english. very big difference in regional dialects and being completely unable to speak a language.

 

[jhov2324]

Wow ponitus you must really have something against Mexicans, or your healthcare bills are high.

 

[zsalinas]

I work on the phones so I'm constantly taking calls. When I get people who can't speak english it's the most frustrating thing ever. Especially since I work for a vitamin company and the words are impossible to understand coming from somebody like that.
If they want to move here and get all the benefits then learn everything as well. They should have an english speaking class for people trying to become citizens that way there wouldn't be any of this confusion.

 

[darth tang]

Originally Posted by Jhov2324
HOLLA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey i have food for thought, you know how the cubans are always making vessels out of anything and reaching the florida waters, do you think that the builders deserve to stay if they make it. C'mon, building a boat to transport 50 Cubans out of barrels and car pieces is pretty amazing, at least give them a chance.

If they make it to shore they are allowed to stay. If they are caught out at sea, then they are shipped back.
what good would it do to guard the boarder for 2 weekends a month? then they can just come over on a different day?
They do not all serve their two weeks at the same time. It is rotated.

 

[jhov2324]

Does anyone here think they can pass the test given to become a citizen?

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by Jhov2324
Wow ponitus you must really have something against Mexicans, or your healthcare bills are high.
no, I have something against people coming here illegally, cutting jobs out from legal citizens, and leeching off the social programs that my taxes pay for.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by Jhov2324
Does anyone here think they can pass the test given to become a citizen?
I know with certainty that I could. here are some representative questions from the test. It ain't exactly rocket science........
UNITED STATES CITIZENSHIP TEST---100 Typical Questions & Answers
Distributed by Immigration-Aid
3431 Sunset Rd. East, Suite #23
Las Vegas, Nevada
Phone: 702-436-9551 Fax: 702-436-9770
1. WHAT ARE THE COLORS OF THE UNITED STATES FLAG?
RED, WHITE, AND BLUE
2. HOW MANY STARS ARE THERE IN THE FLAG?
50
3. WHAT COLOR ARE THE STARS ON THE FLAG?
WHITE
4. WHAT DO THE STARS ON THE FLAG MEAN?
ONE FOR EACH STATE IN THE UNION
5. HOW MANY STRIPES ARE THERE IN THE FLAG?
13
6. WHAT COLOR ARE THE STRIPES?
RED AND WHITE
7. WHAT DO THE STRIPES ON THE FLAG MEAN?
THEY REPRESENT THE ORIGINAL 13 STATES
8. HOW MANY STATES ARE THERE IN THE UNION?
50
9. WHAT IS THE 4TH OF JULY?
INDEPENDENCE DAY
10. WHAT IS THE DATE, OF "INDEPENDENCE DAY"?
JULY 4TH
11. INDEPENDENCE FROM WHOM?
ENGLAND
12. WHAT COUNTRY DID WE FIGHT DURING THE
REVOLUTIONARY WAR?
ENGLAND
13. WHO WAS THE FIRST PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?
GEORGE WASHINGTON
14. WHO IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TODAY?
GEORGE W. BUSH
15. WHO IS THE VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TODAY?
---- CHENEY
16. WHO ELECTS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?
THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE
17. WHO BECOMES PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IF THE
PRESIDENT SHOULD DIE?
VICE PRESIDENT
18. FOR HOW LONG DO WE ELECT THE PRESIDENT?
FOUR YEARS
19. WHAT IS THE CONSTITUTION?
THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND
20. CAN THE CONSTITUTION BE CHANGED?
YES
21. WHAT DO WE CALL A CHANGE TO THE CONSTITUTION?
AMENDMENTS
22. HOW MANY CHANGES OR AMENDMENTS ARE THERE TO THE
CONSTITUTION?
27
23. HOW MANY BRANCHES ARE THERE IN OUR GOVERNMENT?
3
24. WHAT ARE THE THREE BRANCHES OF OUR GOVERNMENT?
LEGISLATIVE, EXECUTIVE, AND JUDICIARY
25. WHAT IS THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH OF OUR GOVERNMENT?
CONGRESS
26. WHO MAKES THE LAWS IN THE UNITED STATES?
CONGRESS
27. WHAT IS CONGRESS?
THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
28. WHAT ARE THE DUTIES OF CONGRESS?
TO MAKE LAWS
29. WHO ELECTS CONGRESS?
THE PEOPLE
30. HOW MANY SENATORS ARE THERE IN CONGRESS?
100

 

[pontius]

31. CAN YOU NAME THE TWO SENATORS FROM YOUR STATE?
(INSERT LOCAL INFORMATION)
32. FOR HOW LONG DO WE ELECT EACH SENATOR?
6 YEARS
33. HOW MANY REPRESENTATIVES ARE THERE IN CONGRESS?
435
34. FOR HOW LONG DO WE ELECT THE REPRESENTATIVES?
2 YEARS
35. WHAT IS THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF OUR GOVERNMENT?
THE PRESIDENT, CABINET, AND DEPARTMENTS UNDER THE
CABINET MEMBERS
36. WHAT IS THE JUDICIARY BRANCH OF OUR GOVERNMENT?
THE SUPREME COURT
37. WHAT ARE THE DUTIES OF THE SUPREME COURT?
TO INTERPRET LAWS
38. WHAT IS THE SUPREME LAW OF THE UNITED STATES?
THE CONSTITIUTION
39. WHAT IS THE BILL OF RIGHTS?
THE FIRST 10 AMENDMENTS OF THE CONSTITUTION
40. WHAT IS THE CAPITAL OF YOUR STATE?
(INSERT LOCAL INFORMATION)
41. WHO IS THE CURRENT GOVERNOR OF YOUR STATE?
(INSERT LOCAL INFORMATION)
42. WHO BECOMES PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.A. IF THE PRESIDENT
AND THE VICE-PRESIDENT SHOULD DIE?
SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
43. WHO IS THE CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE SUPREME COURT?
WILLIAM REHNQUIST
44. CAN YOU NAME THE THIRTEEN ORIGINAL STATES?
CONNECTICUT, NEW HAMPSHIRE, NEW YORK, NEW JERSEY,
MASSACHUSETTS, PENNSYLVANIA, DELAWARE, VIRGINIA,
NORTH CAROLINA, SOUTH CAROLINA, GEORGIA, RHODE
ISLAND, AND MARYLAND
45. WHO SAID, “GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH”?
PATRICK HENRY
46. WHICH COUNTRIES WERE OUR ENEMIES DURING WORLD WAR II?
GERMANY, ITALY, AND JAPAN
47. WHAT ARE THE 49TH AND 50TH STATES OF THE UNION?
HAWAII AND ALASKA
48. HOW MANY TERMS CAN A PRESIDENT SERVE?
2 (8YEARS)
49. WHO WAS MARTIN LUTHER KING?
A CIVIL RIGHTS LEADER
50. WHO IS THE HEAD OF OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT?
(INSERT LOCAL INFORMATION) (Mayor)
51. ACCORDING TO THE CONSTITUTION, A PERSON MUST MEET
CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE TO BECOME
PRESIDENT. NAME ONE THESE REQUIREMENTS.
MUST BE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES;
MUST BE AT LEAST 35 YEARS OLD BY THE TIME HE/SHE WILL
SERVE; MUST HAVE LIVED IN THE UNITED STATES FOR AT
LEAST 14 YEARS
52. WHY ARE THERE 100 SENATORS IN THE SENATE?
TWO (2) FROM EACH STATE
53. WHO SELECTS THE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES?
APPOINTED BY THE PRESIDENT
54. HOW MANY SUPREME COURT JUSTICES ARE THERE?
NINE (9)
55. WHY DID THE PILGRIMS COME TO AMERICA?
FOR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM
56. WHAT IS THE HEAD EXECUTIVE OF A STATE GOVERNMENT
CALLED?
GOVERNOR
57. WHAT IS THE HEAD EXECUTIVE OF A CITY GOVERNMENT
CALLED?
MAYOR
58. WHAT HOLIDAY WAS CELEBRATED FOR THE FIRST TIME BY THE
AMERICAN COLONISTS?
THANKSGIVING
59. WHO WAS THE MAIN WRITER OF THE DECLARATION OF
INDEPENDENCE?
THOMAS JEFFERSON

 

[pontius]

60. When Was The Declaration Of Independence Adopted?
July 4, 1776
61. What Is The Basic Belief Of The Declaration Of
Independence?
That All Men Are Created Equal
62. What Is The National Anthem Of The United States?
The Star-spangled Banner
63. Who Wrote The Star-spangled Banner?
Francis Scott Key
64. Where Does Freedom Of Speech Come From?
The Bill Of Rights
65. What Is The Minimum Voting Age In The United States?
Eighteen (18)
66. Who Signs Bills Into Law?
The President
67. What Is The Highest Court In The Untied States?
The Supreme Court
68. Who Was The President During The Civil War?
Abraham Lincoln
69. What Did The Emancipation Proclamation Do?
Freed Many Slaves
70. What Special Group Advises The President?
The Cabinet
71. Which President Is Called The “father Of Our Country”?
George Washington
72. What Immigration And Naturalization Service Form
Is Used To Apply To Become A Naturalized Citizen?
Form N-400, “application To File Petition For
Naturalization"
73. Who Helped The Pilgrims In America?
The American Indians (native Americans)
74. What Is The Name Of The Ship That Brought The
Pilgrims To America?
The Mayflower
75. What Were The 13 Original States Of The United States
Called?
Colonies
76. Name 3 Rights Or Freedoms Guaranteed By The
Bill Of Rights?
(a) The Right Of Freedom Of Speech, Press, Religion, Peaceable Assembly
And Requesting Change Of Government.
(b) The Right To Bear Arms (the Right To Have Weapons Or Own A Gun,
Though Subject To Certain Regulations).
(c) The Government May Not Quarter, Or House, Soldiers In The People’s
Homes During Peacetime Without The Peoples Consent.
(d) The Government May Not Search Or Take A Persons Property Without A
Warrant
(e) A Person May Not Be Tried Twice For The Same Crime And Does Not Have
To Testify Against Himself.
(f) A Person Charged With A Crime Still Has Some Rights, Such As Tre Right
To A Trial And To Have A Lawyer.
(g) The Right To Trial By Jury In Most Cases
(h) Protects People Against Excessive Or Unreasonable Fines Or Cruel And
Unusual, Punishment
( I ) The People Have Rights Other Than Those Mentioned In The
Constitution. Any Power Not Given To The Federal Government By The
Constitution Is A Power Of Either The State Or The People.

77. Who Has The Power To Declare War?
The Congress
78. What Kind Of Government Does The United States Have?
Republican
79. Which President Freed The Slaves?
Abraham Lincoln
80. In What Year Was The Constitution Written?
1737
81. What Are The First 10 Amendments To The Constitution
Called?
The Bill Of Rights
82. Name One Purpose Of The United Nations.
For Countries To Discuss And Try To Resolve World
Problems; To Provide Economic Aid To Many Countries.
83. Where Does Congress Meet?
In The Capitol In Washington, D.c.
84. Whose Rights Are Guaranteed By Tue Constitution And
The Bill Of Rights?
Everyone (citizens And Non-citizens Living In The Usa)
85. What Is The Introduction To The Constitution Called?
The Preamble
86. Name One Benefit Of Being A Citizen Of The United States.
Obtain Federal Government Jobs; Travel With A U.s.
Passport; Petition For Close Relatives To Come To
The U.s. To Live
87. What Is The Most Important Right Granted To U.s. Citizens?
The Right To Vote
88. What Is The United States Capitol?
The Place Where Congress Meets
89. What Is The White House?
The Presidents Official Home
90. Where Is The White House Located?
Washington, D.c. (1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Nw)
91. What Is The Name Of The President’s Official Home?
The White House
92. Name One Right Guaranteed By The First Amendment.
Freedom Of; Speech, Press, Religion, Peaceable
Assembly, And Requesting Change Of The Government
93. Who Is The Commander In Chief Of The U.s. Military?
The President
94. Which President Was The First Commander In Chief Of
The U.s. Military?
George Washington
95. In What Month Do We Vote For The President?
November
96. In What Month Is The New President Inaugurated?
January
97. How Many Times May A Senator Be Re-elected?
There Is No Limit
98. How Many Times May A Congressman Be Re-elected?
There Is No Limit
99. What Are The 2 Major Political Parties In The U.s. Today?
Democratic And Republican
100. How Many States Are There In The United States?
(50)

 

[jhov2324]

That was very informative, I didn't know most of those especially 30 to 54. Anybody else know the answers to all of these.

 

[sinner's girl]

31. CAN YOU NAME THE TWO SENATORS FROM YOUR STATE?
44. CAN YOU NAME THE THIRTEEN ORIGINAL STATES?
45. WHO SAID, “GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH”?
46. WHICH COUNTRIES WERE OUR ENEMIES DURING WORLD WAR II?
72. What Immigration And Naturalization Service Form Is Used To Apply To Become A Naturalized Citizen?
nope.
48. HOW MANY TERMS CAN A PRESIDENT SERVE?
A pres can serve more than 8 years. if pres dies and vice pres takes over, he can be elected for two terms. So he can only be elected for two terms, but can serve more (I think it's 10 years, but I'm not sure anymore)
I didn't know non-citizens rights were protected by the bill of rights.

 

[jhov2324]

Originally Posted by Pontius
no, I have something against people coming here illegally, cutting jobs out from legal citizens, and leeching off the social programs that my taxes pay for.

I totally agree, but the first statement I kinda don't, aren't all the jobs that illegals get open to anyone, i'm sure any american can apply for those positions

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by Pontius
Quiz
That was fun ....
You need to add another one for 101
What do the colors of the Flag represent
The red color symbolizes hardness and valor, white represents purity and
innocence, and blue symbolizes vigilance, perseverance and justice.

 

[schneidts]

I knew all but a couple. Number 80 is wrong.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by Jhov2324
I totally agree, but the first statement I kinda don't, aren't all the jobs that illegals get open to anyone, i'm sure any american can apply for those positions
it is virtually impossible for an American citizen to support themselves (much less a family) on what the illegals will work for, especially with no benefits. an American cannot legally work any job without paying taxes. if they report taxes, which the law requires them to do, then the employer must also pay taxes and also give benefits such as workers compensation. so the answer to your question is, no, an American cannot feasibly apply for the same positions and legally work in those positions even if they were willing to do it for the low money. the illegals however will do it because they can send half of what they make back to Mexico and it amounts to a good living there. this is why you may notice several illegals living in one house......they can't afford to support themselves alone in the US, but they can live together and support their families in Mexico.
as far as the test, you don't have to know all the questions as far as I know, you just have to know enough to pass the test. and like the poster before me, I knew the vast majority of answers, as any educated American adult should.