renogaw
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http://consumerist.com/5007362/cente...k-in-your-door
how friggin stupid.
how friggin stupid.
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sexyshrimp101
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That is by far one of the dumbest things I have read. All of the people involved in this (contractor, police, judge, etc.) should be ashamed (and possibly fired). How ridiculous can you get
groupergenius
Active Member
I have some tanks in the garage. When the door is open, the VHO actinic light really shows. I have had a few neighbors ask if I was growing weed.
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/2589073
well, i guess we all have weird circumestances which would make it seem we're doing illicit stuff...
emptying water buckets...
people coming over for only a few minutes at a time, leaving with bags...(frag trades
)
sending chaeto through the mail or by hand....
What about staring for hours on end at one thing without moving and stealing money from your mom purse or from the grocery money to spend on fish.
http:///forum/post/2589073
well, i guess we all have weird circumestances which would make it seem we're doing illicit stuff...
emptying water buckets...
people coming over for only a few minutes at a time, leaving with bags...(frag trades
)sending chaeto through the mail or by hand....
What about staring for hours on end at one thing without moving and stealing money from your mom purse or from the grocery money to spend on fish.
lion_crazz
Active Member
Wow, absolutely ridiculous. The worst part is that they handcuffed them. I could see them maybe being concerned and looking to protect the safety of the community. Handcuffing them is taking it well past the line.
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by lion_crazz
http:///forum/post/2589211
Wow, absolutely ridiculous. The worst part is that they handcuffed them. I could see them maybe being concerned and looking to protect the safety of the community. Handcuffing them is taking it well past the line.
If you are raiding a meth lab I could understand handcuffing them.
http:///forum/post/2589211
Wow, absolutely ridiculous. The worst part is that they handcuffed them. I could see them maybe being concerned and looking to protect the safety of the community. Handcuffing them is taking it well past the line.
If you are raiding a meth lab I could understand handcuffing them.
sepulatian
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I wonder what he is putting in there that smells like vinegar and lime and would make a person feel lightheaded and nauseous
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2589220
I wonder what he is putting in there that smells like vinegar and lime and would make a person feel lightheaded and nauseous
Maybe he just cleaned his skimmer and was using vinegar, and the cable guy was overweight and stood up to quick? I'm just throwing ideas out there.
http:///forum/post/2589220
I wonder what he is putting in there that smells like vinegar and lime and would make a person feel lightheaded and nauseous
Maybe he just cleaned his skimmer and was using vinegar, and the cable guy was overweight and stood up to quick? I'm just throwing ideas out there.
sepulatian
Moderator
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2589241
Maybe he just cleaned his skimmer and was using vinegar, and the cable guy was overweight and stood up to quick? I'm just throwing ideas out there.
That is a possibility
That is ridiculous though. I understand that they had probable cause, but they didn't have to break the door down and cuff them. I watched the video on there. The woman is planning to talk to a lawyer about it.
http:///forum/post/2589241
Maybe he just cleaned his skimmer and was using vinegar, and the cable guy was overweight and stood up to quick? I'm just throwing ideas out there.
lion_crazz
Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2589212
If you are raiding a meth lab I could understand handcuffing them.
Yes, but a search warrant is not an arrest warrant. The police had a search warrant.
Another interesting thing to think about is the stupidity of the police and judge to believe this CentralPoint Energy guy. What does he know? He is not an expert like the police are supposed o be. What if a cop would have gotten shot as they entered that house after breaking down the door?
http:///forum/post/2589212
If you are raiding a meth lab I could understand handcuffing them.
Yes, but a search warrant is not an arrest warrant. The police had a search warrant.
Another interesting thing to think about is the stupidity of the police and judge to believe this CentralPoint Energy guy. What does he know? He is not an expert like the police are supposed o be. What if a cop would have gotten shot as they entered that house after breaking down the door?
jtrzerocool
Active Member
Originally Posted by lion_crazz
http:///forum/post/2589258
Yes, but a search warrant is not an arrest warrant. The police had a search warrant.
Another interesting thing to think about is the stupidity of the police and judge to believe this CentralPoint Energy guy. What does he know? He is not an expert like the police are supposed o be. What if a cop would have gotten shot as they entered that house after breaking down the door?
then they fire back and we end up with 1 or 2 dead homeowners...all over someone who smelled vinager
http:///forum/post/2589258
Yes, but a search warrant is not an arrest warrant. The police had a search warrant.
Another interesting thing to think about is the stupidity of the police and judge to believe this CentralPoint Energy guy. What does he know? He is not an expert like the police are supposed o be. What if a cop would have gotten shot as they entered that house after breaking down the door?
then they fire back and we end up with 1 or 2 dead homeowners...all over someone who smelled vinager
salty blues
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The wrong headed "War on Drugs" strikes again. Just another blatant example of what this misguided, freedom reducing, paranoia breeding, national industry has become.
pontius
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I don't see the probable cause for a warrant being issued here, unless there's something that's not being reported. the police have to have reasonable cause to believe that a crime has been committed to get a warrant from a judge. a utility man saying that a meth lab MAY exist is purely hearsay or speculation, and imo would not be grounds for a warrant. so either there is some info not being reported, or somebody needs to hire a lawyer and get paid.
as far as the handcuffing part, the police can handcuff you without arrest if they feel there is a possible danger while serving the warrant. it's called "detaining".
I have had several drug classes in my day, and the smell I've learned that most closely resembles a meth lab is cat urine. now, vinegar is not a pleasant smell, but I can definitely differentiate between vinegar and cat urine. so again, the guy saying he smelled vinegar as evidence of a meth lab is purely speculation imo.
as far as the handcuffing part, the police can handcuff you without arrest if they feel there is a possible danger while serving the warrant. it's called "detaining".
I have had several drug classes in my day, and the smell I've learned that most closely resembles a meth lab is cat urine. now, vinegar is not a pleasant smell, but I can definitely differentiate between vinegar and cat urine. so again, the guy saying he smelled vinegar as evidence of a meth lab is purely speculation imo.
pontius
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Originally Posted by salty blues
http:///forum/post/2589312
The wrong headed "War on Drugs" strikes again. Just another blatant example of what this misguided, freedom reducing, paranoia breeding, national industry has become.
meth is a very dangerous drug. it's not a goodtime recreational like marijuana, it's a drug that is very addictive and can make people very violent. I definitely don't see the problem with communities wanting to crackdown on meth labs. but at the same time, we can't have warrants being handed out like halloween candy based on no evidence.
http:///forum/post/2589312
The wrong headed "War on Drugs" strikes again. Just another blatant example of what this misguided, freedom reducing, paranoia breeding, national industry has become.
meth is a very dangerous drug. it's not a goodtime recreational like marijuana, it's a drug that is very addictive and can make people very violent. I definitely don't see the problem with communities wanting to crackdown on meth labs. but at the same time, we can't have warrants being handed out like halloween candy based on no evidence.
salty blues
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Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2589429
I don't see the probable cause for a warrant being issued here, unless there's something that's not being reported. the police have to have reasonable cause to believe that I crime has been committed to get a warrant from a judge. a utility man saying that a meth lab MAY exist is purely hearsay or speculation, and imo would not be grounds for a warrant. so either there is some info not being reported, or somebody needs to hire a lawyer and get paid.
as far as the handcuffing part, the police can handcuff you without arrest if they feel there is a possible danger while serving the warrant. it's called "detaining".
I have had several drug classes in my day, and the smell I've learned that most closely resembles a meth lab is cat urine. now, vinegar is not a pleasant smell, but I can definitely differentiate between vinegar and cat urine. so again, the guy saying he smelled vinegar is purely speculation imo.
Trouble is, nowadays that which qualifies as probable cause can be nothing more than a mere "tip" to the authorities about suspected drug activity, bonafide or not.
http:///forum/post/2589429
I don't see the probable cause for a warrant being issued here, unless there's something that's not being reported. the police have to have reasonable cause to believe that I crime has been committed to get a warrant from a judge. a utility man saying that a meth lab MAY exist is purely hearsay or speculation, and imo would not be grounds for a warrant. so either there is some info not being reported, or somebody needs to hire a lawyer and get paid.
as far as the handcuffing part, the police can handcuff you without arrest if they feel there is a possible danger while serving the warrant. it's called "detaining".
I have had several drug classes in my day, and the smell I've learned that most closely resembles a meth lab is cat urine. now, vinegar is not a pleasant smell, but I can definitely differentiate between vinegar and cat urine. so again, the guy saying he smelled vinegar is purely speculation imo.
Trouble is, nowadays that which qualifies as probable cause can be nothing more than a mere "tip" to the authorities about suspected drug activity, bonafide or not.
pontius
Active Member
Originally Posted by salty blues
http:///forum/post/2589457
Trouble is, nowadays that which qualifies as probable cause can be nothing more than a mere "tip" to the authorities about suspected drug activity, bonafide or not.
no, I don't believe the definition of probable cause has changed at all in the past decade. nothing that I know of, at least.
http:///forum/post/2589457
Trouble is, nowadays that which qualifies as probable cause can be nothing more than a mere "tip" to the authorities about suspected drug activity, bonafide or not.
no, I don't believe the definition of probable cause has changed at all in the past decade. nothing that I know of, at least.
salty blues
Active Member
Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2589472
no, I don't believe the definition of probable cause has changed at all in the past decade. nothing that I know of, at least.
Well I'm afraid you are dreaming then. Basically all you need to do is pick up the phone to your local crimestoppers and make an allegation of "suspected drug activity". More than likely, the allegation will be investigated.
http:///forum/post/2589472
no, I don't believe the definition of probable cause has changed at all in the past decade. nothing that I know of, at least.
Well I'm afraid you are dreaming then. Basically all you need to do is pick up the phone to your local crimestoppers and make an allegation of "suspected drug activity". More than likely, the allegation will be investigated.