police activity...

[lion_crazz]

It really also depends on the area, as well. If a call is placed in a "good neighborhood," it gets responded to a heck of a lot faster than if that "tip" was about a house in a not so good neighborhood.
For example, in Philadelphia, if a call was placed about a drug house in Northeast Philadelphia (the suburbs), it would be checked out almost immediately. If it was placed about a house in North or West Philly (some of the dangerous locations), police would not respond nearly as fast.

 

[digitydash]

Originally Posted by salty blues
http:///forum/post/2589518
Well I'm afraid you are dreaming then. Basically all you need to do is pick up the phone to your local crimestoppers and make an allegation of "suspected drug activity". More than likely, the allegation will be investigated.
I have to agree.People are doing major years in the federal system on conspiracy charges.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by salty blues
http:///forum/post/2589518
Well I'm afraid you are dreaming then. Basically all you need to do is pick up the phone to your local crimestoppers and make an allegation of "suspected drug activity". More than likely, the allegation will be investigated.
no, I'm not dreaming at all. if you call the police around here (or in most places, I imagine) and tell them that your next door neighbor is dealing drugs, they'll most likely tell you "we'll do some patrolling around there to try to find out what's going on" or "we're going to have to have proof of it before we can do anything".
I'm sorry, but a utility guy speculating that a bottle of a household cleaner and the smell of vinegar may mean that there's a meth lab is not going to get a search warrant in most places in this country and I don't believe will stand up if these people sue either. a police department that would even consider seeking out a warrant in a case like this must be in a small town where they have nothing better to do.

 

[scorpiojkd]

Originally Posted by salty blues
http:///forum/post/2589518
Well I'm afraid you are dreaming then. Basically all you need to do is pick up the phone to your local crimestoppers and make an allegation of "suspected drug activity". More than likely, the allegation will be investigated.
Of course the allegations will be investigated. That is the point of Crimestoppers. Whats found in the investigation is what leads to the application for the search warrant. Its the judges decision to issue or not.
I'm not familiar with the source of the original article. Legitimate? I'd have to see the affidavit for the search warrant before passing judgement.....

 

[salty blues]

Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2589584
no, I'm not dreaming at all. if you call the police around here (or in most places, I imagine) and tell them that your next door neighbor is dealing drugs, they'll most likely tell you "we'll do some patrolling around there to try to find out what's going on" or "we're going to have to have proof of it before we can do anything".
I'm sorry, but a utility guy speculating that a bottle of a household cleaner and the smell of vinegar may mean that there's a meth lab is not going to get a search warrant in most places in this country and I don't believe will stand up if these people sue either. a police department that would even consider seeking out a warrant in a case like this must be in a small town where they have nothing better to do.
Gimme a break! Why is it that every drug bust you hear about on the highways start with being pulled over for a "traffic violation"? Is a traffic violation automatically probable cause for suspicion of drug activity?
And, the traffic violations are almost always mundane things like "failure to signal lane change" or "tailight not shining" or some such.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by scorpiojkd
http:///forum/post/2589588
Of course the allegations will be investigated. That is the point of Crimestoppers. Whats found in the investigation is what leads to the application for the search warrant. Its the judges decision to issue or not.
I'm not familiar with the source of the original article. Legitimate? I'd have to see the affidavit for the search warrant before passing judgement.....
The first link in the post links to the original article from a local new service.
Originally Posted by salty blues
http:///forum/post/2589679
Gimme a break! Why is it that every drug bust you hear about on the highways start with being pulled over for a "traffic violation"? Is a traffic violation automatically probable cause for suspicion of drug activity?
And, the traffic violations are almost always mundane things like "failure to signal lane change" or "tailight not shining" or some such.
Well they need to have a reason to search your car after pulling you over. Although the reason can be something mundane as slurred speech, erratic driving.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by salty blues
http:///forum/post/2589679
Gimme a break! Why is it that every drug bust you hear about on the highways start with being pulled over for a "traffic violation"? Is a traffic violation automatically probable cause for suspicion of drug activity?
And, the traffic violations are almost always mundane things like "failure to signal lane change" or "tailight not shining" or some such.
no search warrant is required for the search of a car or on a person. so right there, you've gotten things mixed up. most often during traffic stops, the officer asks the person for permission to search the car. and you would be surprised how often the person gives permission, even if they have illegal stuff in the car. and if they decline, it is probable cause to search the car.
basically what I'm saying, is that there is little in common with searching a residence and a car. on a residence, like the article that we are talking about, a search warrant or arrest warrant is ALWAYS required, except in excited circumstances. a warrant is not required for a car search.
and the reason the car was pulled over has nothing to do with whether or not a car can be searched. but the evidence for a reason to believe a crime is committed has everything to do with whether or not a search warrant should be issued for a person's residence.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2589700
Well they need to have a reason to search your car after pulling you over. Although the reason can be something mundane as slurred speech, erratic driving.
it doesn't even have to be that. it can be something as simple as.....
Officer: can I search your car?
driver: no.
Officer: that gives me probable cause to search your car.
but again, the requirements for searching a car and searching a house are VERY different. it's apples and oranges.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2589742
it doesn't even have to be that. it can be something as simple as.....
Officer: can I search your car?
driver: no.
Officer: that gives me probable cause to search your car.
but again, the requirements for searching a car and searching a house are VERY different. it's apples and oranges.
yeah, legally the house and the car are different. Poor folks, I'd be ticked. And I'd sue the crap out of centerpoint or whoever it was.

 

[renogaw]

The funny thing is the wife actually showed the plumber the fish cleaning supplies and told him that it was for the fish tank.

 

[aw2x3]

I haven't finished reading this thread or read the whole article but I laughed my butt off at the "probably a meth lab in there" pic! lol!
It's probably another instance of the cops being bored and getting a little too overzealous, when the thought of something to do kicks in. The cops around here are like that. I actually saw, at work the other day, a city cop pull over this little old lady. Barely before the first guy got out of the car, 3 more cop cars roared up, sirens blaring, tires screaching, acting like they're gonna take out some drug cartell. The other cops jumped out of their cars, hands on their holsters, ready to go gang busting. They talked to the lady for maybe a minute and a half, before letting her be on her way.
I laughed my keister off, before opening the door and asking if they were on the lookout for a 90 yr old woman, driving an '89 Lincoln, who had just held up the local MotoMart.

 

[scorpiojkd]

this actually happens quite a bit. Initial officer calls in that he is conducting a traffic stop. Driver fails to stop and continues driving. He calls in the failure to stop (now its a pursuit, eventhough its slow speed). Any available officer heads his direction. Car finally stops; its grandma or grandpa. They couldn't hear the siren or see the lights. Kinda looks bad from an outsiders perspective but its all about going home at the end of the shift.

 

[scorpiojkd]

Gimme a break! Why is it that every drug bust you hear about on the highways start with being pulled over for a "traffic violation"? Is a traffic violation automatically probable cause for suspicion of drug activity?
And, the traffic violations are almost always mundane things like "failure to signal lane change" or "tailight not shining" or some such.
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The reason every highway drug bust starts with a "mundane" traffic stop is that law enforcement has to have a legal reason to stop the vehicle i.e. tail lights out, speeding, etc.
A stop can't be made on a tip alone.
after that its the officers observations and the actions of the person(s) in the vehicle that lead to a search

 

[acrylics]

Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2589742
it doesn't even have to be that. it can be something as simple as.....
Officer: can I search your car?
driver: no.
Officer: that gives me probable cause to search your car.
Perhaps in your state, but not in mine, and I would seriously doubt this type of thing is on the books in any state. Personal property is personal property and cannot be searched without permission, warrant, or PC. Maintaining your right to privacy and against undue search is not prima facie evidence of anything illegal and therefore not PC for any search. Some police may fool into thinking so, but not at all the case.

 

[sharkbait9]

Originally Posted by acrylics
http:///forum/post/2590170
Perhaps in your state, but not in mine, and I would seriously doubt this type of thing is on the books in any state. Personal property is personal property and cannot be searched without permission, warrant, or PC. Maintaining your right to privacy and against undue search is not prima facie evidence of anything illegal and therefore not PC for any search. Some police may fool into thinking so, but not at all the case.
In NJ a cop can ask to search. If the driver refuse the request the officer can not move a stitch in that car, the officer can not even stick their head inside the car. The officer can walk around and look inside but can not gain access to move anything w/o a specific search warrant.
(I can say this since my two brothers are cops) Majority of cops think they are above the law and have “holier then thou” attitude and can do what ever they please and it brings me great joy when a cop gets busted for anything” For some reason cops forget they are public servants, and are servants nothing more.
Most are chicken anyway.
My idea for cops, you pull someone over and they kick the crap out of you oh well, stay in shape. Be the big dog you think you are and take them down your self. Don’t call for back up, you’re a cop your ooooh so tuff.
Love my brothers but hate their uniforms and the tinfoil badge they pin on their chest.
Before someone says “wait till you need a cop”
1- My wife and I own guns, and shoot better then the 80% score my brothers have to keep to qualify.
2- A cop is not going to put a fire out on duty with a small fire extinguisher that I can put out my self (I’m a firefighter)
3- Majority of the time we respond faster then the cops around here for emergency’s anyway. They are afraid they might get dirty.
4- I have band-aids.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by sharkbait9
http:///forum/post/2590293
In NJ a cop can ask to search. If the driver refuse the request the officer can not move a stitch in that car, the officer can not even stick their head inside the car. The officer can walk around and look inside but can not gain access to move anything w/o a specific search warrant.
(I can say this since my two brothers are cops) Majority of cops think they are above the law and have “holier then thou” attitude and can do what ever they please and it brings me great joy when a cop gets busted for anything” For some reason cops forget they are public servants, and are servants nothing more.
Most are chicken sh*ts anyway.
My idea for cops, you pull someone over and they kick the crap out of you oh well, stay in shape. Be the big dog you think you are and take them down your self. Don’t call for back up, you’re a cop your ooooh so tuff.
Love my brothers but hate their uniforms and the tinfoil badge they pin on their chest.
Before someone says “wait till you need a cop”
1- My wife and I own guns, and shoot better then the 80% score my brothers have to keep to qualify.
2- A cop is not going to put a fire out on duty with a small fire extinguisher that I can put out my self (I’m a firefighter)
3- Majority of the time we respond faster then the cops around here for emergency’s anyway. They are afraid they might get dirty.
4- I have band-aids.
Well, you probably are right with some of the holier than thou cops attitude, but I do have some simpathy. Most people hate cops, they deal on a daily basis with disgusting and evil people. So although I have problems with some indiviual cops and agree I'm not going to rely on them for anything, I do have some respect because that job has to suck.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by acrylics
http:///forum/post/2590170
Perhaps in your state, but not in mine, and I would seriously doubt this type of thing is on the books in any state. Personal property is personal property and cannot be searched without permission, warrant, or PC. Maintaining your right to privacy and against undue search is not prima facie evidence of anything illegal and therefore not PC for any search. Some police may fool into thinking so, but not at all the case.
You get pulled over because you've broken the law. breaking the law is probable cause to search the car. period. I don't care what state we're talking about, it's that way in all of them. now, your local police department may have a POLICY that does not allow them to search the car without a search warrant. but that policy is NOT law.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by sharkbait9
http:///forum/post/2590293
Most are chicken sh*ts anyway.
this statement completely negates anything constructive you could say. for some reason, there is no longer an option on threads to notify a mod of this.

 

[scorpiojkd]

Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2590379
You get pulled over because you've broken the law. breaking the law is probable cause to search the car. period. I don't care what state we're talking about, it's that way in all of them. now, your local police department may have a POLICY that does not allow them to search the car without a search warrant. but that policy is NOT law.

Hate to disagree with you, since you seem pro-law enforcement, but a stop does not allow you to search. Outside of a warrant, consent or PC you cannot search unless it is incident to an arrest and that search cannot include the trunk, only the passenger compartment. A mere stop does not give you PC. A refusal absolutely does not give you PC. Also, consent cannot be given until the traffic stop is over (the ticket has been issued and the license given back).

 

[scorpiojkd]

hey sharkbait quit with the my hose is bigger than your gun. We are all in this together.