Sean what I am saying is it does not work period. I have told a story about dogs and porks more times and frankly most of the members have read it enough. Suffice to say at some point maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but someday you will find out why I say what every book out there that gives comp charts says and that is do not mix Dogs and Porks. I am not trying to be nasty but because one person gets away with something for a while it does not make what is common knowledge about the two species less truthful. I also said 99% of the time, you may be the 1% that will have it work, but frankly I know of no one- repeat no one that has tried it to have succeded in the end. I do not want any members here to believe it can be done and that is why I put my point across as I am doing (not to be a jerk). I will repeat one thing I have said before and that is how many stores have you ever been in that have those 2 fish (Dog/Pork) in the same tank let alone 2 of the same species (Dog-Dog/ Pork/Pork) in a tank either.