Problematic Ich-Beth/Sep

al mc

Active Member
Originally Posted by sepulatian
How do you catch the fish though? Do you net them or use a container? Being that they are going into a reef, I would keep them in for another week and be sure to do the water changes and use cuprizorb or carbon to remove all of the copper that you can. How long has it been that your display was fishless? It should be six weeks, but a little longer is better. Are your fish stressed out by the qt tank at all? It hasn't sounded like they are. As long as the water reads zero for copper then there is no need to worry when you return them to the display.
Wow..Sep slow down. While I ask many questions I do feel that I am reasonably good, improving hopefully daily, aquarist. I have several DTs at home and work. Two are large (175w100gal sump/refug, other 156 w125 gal
sump/refug) They should be ichless since they were fallow for 2 months and all fish inhabitants put through QT/hypo almost two years ago when I had a bad case of Ich when entering the hobby after years away from it.
I practice strict QT in seperate QT tanks.. in the fish one I observe and hypo everything and in the invert one I dip all corals in iodine as they go into and come out of 4 weeks of observation.
I rarely use nets/usually this plastic 'corral thing' whose brand name I can't recall. The Qt's are as stress free as I can make them with live rock, PVC and chaeto which seems to survive the hypo well with good lights.
I appreciate all your help. This thread was started when after 6 weeks of QT/ 4 weeks of it being hypo, I observed what appeared to be Ich. I decided after getting advice from you and Beth to go with copper. As I had only used copper one other time (before joining this forum) I had specific questions about it to be answered by people who I know and trust (you, Beth, some other members whose threads/replies to questions seem to indicate they know what they are doing)
Thanks to all your help the two fish, a clown and hippo tang, are thriving..eating, active, good color, no flashing behavior or labored breathing.
 

beth

Administrator
Staff member
Originally Posted by PIPO
and after loosing almost all of my fish I started reading Im a Med Student, and after trying every commercial fish medicine and getting few or no result at all I decided to look for human medicine for parasite after reading something about it on the internet.
I was responding to the comment here about "deciding to look for human medicine".
Medicine is commonly used cross-species, prescribed by physicians, vets, or readily available at the fish store.
However, humans don't get ich. Humans can be prescribed copper however, for such ailments as rheumatoid arthritis.
Are you bored yet?
 

al mc

Active Member
Originally Posted by Beth
Are you bored yet?

No. How about you. (answering 200 questions a day about ICH, debunking mystical treatments)
Thanks for your help. The Cupramine treatment has gone (I am almost afraid to say it) surprisingly well.
 

beth

Administrator
Staff member
Copper works, no doubt about that. And this brand of copper is the least "invasive" (if that makes sense). I would start using zoecon for supplements at least for a few months to ward off any risks of HLLE resulting from copper treatment.
 

sepulatian

Moderator
Originally Posted by Al Mc
Wow..Sep slow down. While I ask many questions I do feel that I am reasonably good, improving hopefully daily, aquarist. I have several DTs at home and work. Two are large (175w100gal sump/refug, other 156 w125 gal
sump/refug) They should be ichless since they were fallow for 2 months and all fish inhabitants put through QT/hypo almost two years ago when I had a bad case of Ich when entering the hobby after years away from it.
I practice strict QT in seperate QT tanks.. in the fish one I observe and hypo everything and in the invert one I dip all corals in iodine as they go into and come out of 4 weeks of observation.
I rarely use nets/usually this plastic 'corral thing' whose brand name I can't recall. The Qt's are as stress free as I can make them with live rock, PVC and chaeto which seems to survive the hypo well with good lights.
I appreciate all your help. This thread was started when after 6 weeks of QT/ 4 weeks of it being hypo, I observed what appeared to be Ich. I decided after getting advice from you and Beth to go with copper. As I had only used copper one other time (before joining this forum) I had specific questions about it to be answered by people who I know and trust (you, Beth, some other members whose threads/replies to questions seem to indicate they know what they are doing)
Thanks to all your help the two fish, a clown and hippo tang, are thriving..eating, active, good color, no flashing behavior or labored breathing.
Al, I am not sure what you may or may not have read into what I wrote before. I was asking about the net or container because if you use a net (which I don't either, I have a specimen container) then your acclimation water would not be going into the tank. The fish will not leech copper into your display on their body. Being that you use a container then some of your QT water will make it's way into the DT. Try to be sure the copper is minimal.
 

al mc

Active Member
An update: Used Cuprasorb to remove the Cupramine (copper) from the QT tank. The two fish are doing very well. Things I learned:
1. Cupramine appears safe when used as directed with proper copper testing reagents. I will always continue to 'hypo' all new fish in a QT before entering my displays. If I see Ich however, I will not be afraid to use the cupramine.
2. This was a well cycled QT and I never appeared to lose my biologic filter. One of my reasons for not using copper was that I felt that I would be constantly changing water becasue I would lose my 'good bacteria'....never happened!
thanks Beth for the Cupramine suggestion.

thanks sep for your comments/support.

Al
 

sepulatian

Moderator
That is great Al! I am very glad that the fish did great. If you do hypo future fish then use copper if they get ich be sure to bring the SG all the way back up before adding the copper. I am not sure if that was covered earlier in this post. I just thought I would mention it.
 
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