Prop 8

aquaknight

aquaknight

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Originally Posted by KingSmith
http:///forum/post/2828301
Then by that logic if hetrosexuals can break the rules of marriage what does it matter if a homosexual does? Wait I know lets continue to keep people repressed so they are forced to pretend they are strait and further make a mockery of the so called sacred sacrement of marriage.
Prediction: in its continued effort to compromise it values to bring in more members and stay profitable major religous groups will change their stance on Gay being immoral. certaintly would not be the first time
No one that advocating that it's okay for heterosexuals to break rules/traditions of marriage. The statics regarding marriage are indeed saddening. But by saying that the majority of marriage end early, etc, is of very poor reason for allowing gay marriage. It falls back to the old schoolyard saying, "Well Timmy jumped off a bridge, Timmy threw rocks at cars and didn't get in trouble, etc...Why can't I?" Just because someone else does it, doesn't make it okay. Just because an area is very riddled with crime, does the police force give up in that area?
No one is also advocating to repress them either. I am all for equal rights in regards to civil unions. The term 'marriage' is indeed causing a lot of problems. As said before, everyone was under the impression that marriage(as in the ceramony) and religion was of little importance to gay couples. Yet, when California briefly lifted the ban, what did they all do? Go throw a bunch of mock weddings.
 
kingsmith

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2828326
No one that advocating that it's okay for heterosexuals to break rules/traditions of marriage. The statics regarding marriage are indeed saddening. But by saying that the majority of marriage end early, etc, is of very poor reason for allowing gay marriage. It falls back to the old schoolyard saying, "Well Timmy jumped off a bridge, Timmy threw rocks at cars and didn't get in trouble, etc...Why can't I?" Just because someone else does it, doesn't make it okay. Just because an area is very riddled with crime, does the police force give up in that area?
No one is also advocating to repress them either. I am all for equal rights in regards to civil unions. The term 'marriage' is indeed causing a lot of problems. As said before, everyone was under the impression that marriage(as in the ceramony) and religion was of little importance to gay couples. Yet, when California briefly lifted the ban, what did they all do? Go throw a bunch of mock weddings.

All right I will agree with you on that one it is the term marriage causing this contoversy
However, it is just my opinion that the simple idea of religion is such as source of contoversy/conflict throughout all of history that it is a shame will still allow such a primitive notion to continue to hold us back. Now I am aware it is a good source of hope and happiness in many peoples lives just think its a shame but I don't wan to offend or get in a religous arguement so let me leave it at points well taken, I have tried to state mine as well
 
sharkbait9

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Originally Posted by Scotts
http:///forum/post/2827253
8 years ago we passed a law defining marriage as between a man and a woman. It passed with 61% of the vote. This was struck down as unconstitutional so prop 8 was the same working, but a constitional amendment. It passed with 52% of the vote. I told my daughter that in 10 years she will be able to vote and overturn this. She did not trick or treat this year at any houses that had a Yes on 8 sign in the front yard. Sometimes your kids really make you proud.
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Nice, your teaching your kid at a young age to be intolerant and to not be excepting of other peoples beliefs and freedom to believe in what and how they feel unless they are along the same lines as you.

Gee that seems like discrimination of other

Originally Posted by Scotts
http:///forum/post/2827253
Sometimes your kids really make you proud.

well, children often believe what they are taught and perform the same vicious cycle they learn at an early age.

Originally Posted by Scotts
http:///forum/post/2827253
You know it is interesting because on the same day that we erased one form of discrimination, we made another form legal.

To be naive and believe that we CAN NOT OR WILL NOT discriminate is pure none sense.
You will always have some sort of discrimination.
I would let a dog in my house but not a cat = discrimination
I like my coral tanks but won’t let fish in them= discrimination
These are just poor examples of discrimination that are relevant to a fish board. BUT STILL IS DISCRIMINATION.
Look around there is always discrimination, that’s called life. Everyone and everything does it.
Get over it and deal with it.
 
sharkbait9

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Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2828246
Isn't it odd that the same group that screams for separation of Church and State so loudly have no quams of having the State shut down the Church.
Thats called passing the buck.
simply because once again no one can leave sad
everyone wants everyone to live in happy land. So if your wittle itty bitty feewings get hurt, don't worry you don't have to deal with it you can sue and feel better about your messily worthless life wit all da money you can gouge out of someone who is a big meanie and hurts your feewing
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2827178
Insurance, property rights, inheritance, tax breaks,.. pick one. If you're not legally married (and don't live in a common law state), you have no rights in regards to each others personal property. If your 'spouse' dies, his family can take all his/her belongings and leave you with nothing. You could be deathly ill in the hospital, and your 'spouses' family can keep you from having any contact or being involved with the decisions regarding their health. You could buy a house together, live there for 20 years, but if your spouse is listed as the primary owner, his family can kick you out if he/she dies, and there's nothing you can do. They get the married couple tax breaks, as opposed to single taxes. Most gay couples could care less about the 'formal church ceremony'. That want the legal benefits that are afforded to hetero$exual married couples.
Most states afford many of these right in Civil unions.

I don't particularly care, if you take a strict consititutionalist approach people are entitles to put such things for a vote and for whatever the reason they've voted.
I am however happy it passed, thumbing their noses to those judges who imposed their will over the people's. When they overturned the previoius ban.
 
sharkbait9

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Originally Posted by KingSmith
http:///forum/post/2828245
I don't know I would say the current divorce rate amount of people cheating on eachother and the extreme lack of morals( at least in the traditional religious sense of marriage) has destroyed any sanctity that went hand and hand with the idea of marriage
oh let me field this one.
If you look at the age group of the divorce rate, it is higher in the younger group. Why? Because they were handed everything. They were not told, shown or force to deal with issues. They are handed everything and not made to work for it.
I’ll bet more then half were not or never told that a marriage is a work in progress. Marriage does not just flourish into this Norman Rockwell painting with a little boy at the soda shop sitting next to the friendly police man getting his little head patted and his hair tussled. Most are not aware that when your partner or life partner gets home after a hard day dealing with an arrogant self righteous but worthless corporate J/O with the holier then god attitude, most likely your partner is not going to be in a good mood and not a bowel of peaches and cream and your going to have to deal with it till they calm down and can talk rationally.
Most will just say the heck with it and decided they are not going to deal with it and pack up and leave. Or the other one thinks this constant nagging is not worth it.
Most people today are just self center, egotistical, maniacal, self fulfilling idiots. That don’t want opposition in their life and would rather not deal with it. Divorces are so easy to get now a days that marriages are treat like they have a shelf life.
Shame on the parents today who “want to be friends with their kids” and not parents. You can be friends with your kids after then grown up and realize what it is to go earn something and not have it handed to them.
So church really has nothing to do with the divorce rate.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by sharkbait9
http:///forum/post/2828668
oh let me field this one.
If you look at the age group of the divorce rate, it is higher in the younger group. Why? Because they were handed everything. They were not told, shown or force to deal with issues. They are handed everything and not made to work for it.
I’ll bet more then half were not or never told that a marriage is a work in progress. Marriage does not just flourish into this Norman Rockwell painting with a little boy at the soda shop sitting next to the friendly police man getting his little head patted and his hair tussled. Most are not aware that when your partner or life partner gets home after a hard day dealing with an arrogant self righteous but worthless corporate J/O with the holier then god attitude, most likely your partner is not going to be in a good mood and not a bowel of peaches and cream and your going to have to deal with it till they calm down and can talk rationally.
Most will just say the heck with it and decided they are not going to deal with it and pack up and leave. Or the other one thinks this constant nagging is not worth it.
Most people today are just self center, egotistical, maniacal, self fulfilling idiots. That don’t want opposition in their life and would rather not deal with it. Divorces are so easy to get now a days that marriages are treat like they have a shelf life.
Shame on the parents today who “want to be friends with their kids” and not parents. You can be friends with your kids after then grown up and realize what it is to go earn something and not have it handed to them.
So church really has nothing to do with the divorce rate.

I don't think people under the age of 25 should be allowed to get married.
 
chilwil84

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2827143
This has been one of the funniest things in a long time. California voted a resounding no to overturn the ban on gay marriage and Florida voted a big yes to define marriage as between one man and one women.
But yet somehow, this was one of Obama's key political stances and he won both states. Wow....


by obama bringing out more black (colored not trying to offend anyone) he brought this out. colored/ black people are a lot more socialy conservative than most white poeple realize, even though they vote democratic.
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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Originally Posted by chilwil84
http:///forum/post/2829096
by obama bringing out more black (colored not trying to offend anyone) he brought this out. colored/ black people are a lot more socialy conservative than most white poeple realize, even though they vote democratic.
Definitely have preached this before, and agree 100%
Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2734615
That's interesting. I remember years back, hearing on the news, there was a report that showed that most minorities would actually vote republican, based on principles alone, if it wasn't for the "common misconcepted views" of the parties, esp. Hispanic voters." (this was a Miami news station)

Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2734648
Oops, I was trying to agree. They vote for the party, merely because that's what "they're suppose to do." Even a same minority candidate in the other party didn't sway their vote. As far as the Republican line, that was the main point of the article, that many minorities favor less governmental control, with a 'family-first' attitude, is some of the lines I believe they used.
 
saw wave analo

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the problem with the above is that the reality of what the republican party is has absolutely nothing in common with what it claims to be.
i dont think anyone can honestly look at the past 20 years and say that the republican party has acted in a conservative manner.. not even close.
the majority of people that support republicans are elderly, fundamentalist christian, live in rural areas, or vote on the misconception that republicans will lower their taxes. thats a pretty narrow base, and there is good reason for it. their actions have alienated a lot of people that might vote for them otherwise.
 
sharkbait9

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Originally Posted by saw wave analo
http:///forum/post/2829296
the problem with the above is that the reality of what the republican party is has absolutely nothing in common with what it claims to be.
i dont think anyone can honestly look at the past 20 years and say that the republican party has acted in a conservative manner.. not even close.
the majority of people that support republicans are elderly, fundamentalist christian, live in rural areas, or vote on the misconception that republicans will lower their taxes. thats a pretty narrow base, and there is good reason for it. their actions have alienated a lot of people that might vote for them otherwise.
While the democrat’s just tax the snot out of me and give my money to lazy low life single mothers who knows the more kids she has the more money she gets. Then tax me again to come up with programs to help end that idea and try and keep her lazy government assisted kids off the street so they don't turn around and rob me who is already getting robbed by the government to keep those brats from doing it in the first place….. And the wheels on the bus go round and round …… round and round… round and round.
 
kingsmith

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Originally Posted by sharkbait9
http:///forum/post/2829539
While the democrat’s just tax the snot out of me and give my money to lazy low life single mothers who knows the more kids she has the more money she gets. Then tax me again to come up with programs to help end that idea and try and keep her lazy government assisted kids off the street so they don't turn around and rob me who is already getting robbed by the government to keep those brats from doing it in the first place….. And the wheels on the bus go round and round …… round and round… round and round.
Wow so full of Hate. Why?
 
sharkbait9

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Originally Posted by KingSmith
http:///forum/post/2829564
Wow so full of Hate. Why?

Why? let see here. I own my home, I work full time and still work part time on the emergency critical care transport team, my wife works full time while she’s back in school finishing up her teaching degree.
While my wife BREAKS HER HUMP TO ACHIEVE HER GOALS, I work two jobs to fill in the financial gap. No hand outs, no wooo is me story. Its called hard work and dedication to reaching your goals that you want. My parents did not pay for my collage, they only paid for the other stuff for me to live, as long as my grades were kept. If not, well then if I have time to goof off from school work then I have time for a job. Its called understanding life sux and it only gets worse for your self if you don’t change it. Nothing is handed to you. Except some cheese and stamps and that in itself is an embarrassment. Sure I understand people fall on hard times, again life sux but people with real respect for them selves pull them selves up by the boot strap and changes what sux about their life.
Now if you’re a low life scum bag living off the system because its just easier to lay on your back and pop out some more government dependant babies then shame on, you’re a burden to society and a cancer that should be removed.
The people I refer to are the one’s walking around thinking the world owes them something, and feel they don‘t have to work.
Everything we have we have earned, nothing was handed to us. Growing up nothing was given to my brothers or sister or me without a reason. Birthdays, Christmas, or special occasions were the only time material items were given to us. We wanted the latest and greatest “item” we earned it. Went out found odd jobs earned out money saved up and bought it. Sure once in a blue moon mom or dad would match us dollar for dollar if the “item” was way out our capabilities to purchases it on our own.
My parents are not poor or living pay check to pay check by no means but instead of raising needy ungrateful kids with their hands out, they taught us the value of a dollar and what it’s like to have what is needed and now what is just a want.
I need cloths on my back, not a designers name, I need a roof over my head, not a big roof just a roof, I need food in my stomach. A clown or a king is not going to feed me.
This idea that life should be instant gratification is a joke. Look at these people who live on credit cards a fourtee hundred dollar tv just cost them twenty two hundred with the apr tack on, good job. Enjoy that tv that will take you 5 years to pay off now. Sure you can get great deal with credit cards, I save up or put in extra hours put the cash to the side and when I can I buy that new 72 inch LCD tv for my living room and put it on the new credit card to get the extra 15% off the sale price. Go home hang my tv call the credit card company pay the off the card and cancel it.
I don’t really hate anyone , well… maybe a few but that’s besides the point, the lazy, no good scumbags sitting around till the first of the month for their paycheck are the people I down right despise and would have no ill feelings to see any of them do a swan dive down a flight of stairs. I would even make it fun I would bet on the number of stairs they bounce off of.
But again that’s just me, please remember if we save but one child with your tax dollars its worth it in the end.
 
sharkbait9

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Originally Posted by KingSmith
http:///forum/post/2829564
Wow so full of Hate. Why?

oh so to answer your question,I do not like to support the lazy scumbags of this world.
Do you like paying taxs to support the people who don't want to work but feel they should be given a check every month?
 
sharkbait9

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Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2829588
Yes, but he did not say he wanted to do them harm. He is tired of supporting them. I am frustrated with them, too. It doesn't mean I hate them.
I hate to blow your spot up but, I don't want to harm them but if they were to slip and fall down a flight of stairs??? I might not be so fast to turn my back and watch with a gleeful smile
 
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