Quarantine Tank question

xcali1985

xcali1985

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Plain and simple, QT but do what works best for you. If you want to blindly treat, do it.. I know lots of people who do. I also know others who simply over the course of a QT they lower and raise salinty. Me personally I simply observe and treat if necessary.
Just remember that nothing is 100%. Ive been told several times that ICH is always present on fish but they can fight it off with a healthy non stressed immune system. Its the stress that lowers their immune system and allows the parasite to overpower.
Im not that technical to argue the point with anyone so I go with common sense, and that is, if you QT a fish the acclimation and transportation into the QT is stressful, if after a few weeks of QT which by the way is about more than just disease and ill explain at the end, but if nothing is show acclimate into the DT.
QT is also a good time for the fish to become aware that you are not a threat, and learn that you are the one providing food for it. Ive lost 2 fish before i started QT simply because they would not come out for me to feed them.
 
pepito113

pepito113

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Well I have read many post on this site and on other sites. And I guess from what I have read is that some people place there fish in QT and watch to see if the fish are healthy for several weeks. Others treat to make sure nothing pops up even if there is no evidence of the fish being sick. I quess there is no right and wrong because both side have had good success rate.
 
cranberry

cranberry

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You hope it provides you with an opportunity for you to see Ich, but if it's in the gills or you miss in on the skin, and can inadvertently introduce it to the tank once the QT is complete.
jst... look at those links. Were they from journal articles or where they from "online articles". There's a lot of links out there on the topic, but you need to look for journal articles containing research to get to the real facts. Not just rehashed (and often incorrect) online writeups. That 8 week reference was not a journal article.
 
srfisher17

srfisher17

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Originally Posted by Xcali1985
http:///forum/post/3271664
Just remember that nothing is 100%. Ive been told several times that ICH is always present on fish but they can fight it off with a healthy non stressed immune system. Its the stress that lowers their immune system and allows the parasite to overpower.
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IMO&IME: ich is NOT always present on fish, the fish in my DTs do not have it. Wild fish can handle the occasional ich bug and not be bothered, simply because of the size of their environment. Again IMO&IME, ANY fish can can be overcome by the sheer numbers of an ich infestation in a closed system. A good immune system and low stress level help, so does having a thick slime coat (like dragonettes); but those qualities alone are no match for the sheer number of ich parasites that can occur in the confines of a tank.
 
srfisher17

srfisher17

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Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3271494
BTW dont you just love when a clown hosts an anemone
Its amazing how the entire hobby accepts this absurd little ditty. When my relatives move in and mooch off me; they sure as hell aren't doing the hosting.
 
florida joe

florida joe

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Originally Posted by Jstdv8
http:///forum/post/3271644
well, i guess since (I beleive it was spanko) posted a link on page one of this thread that said that the proper QT procedure is to Freshwater dip and then observe for 4 weeks and if anything is seen then you treat with copper (or other methods) and once the spots are gone the clock starts from scratch again.
So, while no one said it directly one of the respected posters posted a link he obviously thought was correct so its kind of like he said it (in a way).
The only real problem I have here is:
A.) I read up on this stuff but everybody has a different idea on how long, what to treat, when to treat, and now this freshwater dip thing I wasnt fully aware of.
B.) It is especially evident in this thread that Joe (among others) wants us to read without actually coming out and giving the answers, but when we do it often comes back contreadictory to what the poster who tells us we are in the wrong has posted.
So, wouldnt it be alot easier to just come out and say it rather than dance around the subject?
I guess Im a begger and beggers can't be choosers :)
I'd like to have my cake and eat it too LOL
Easier yes better definitely not. Let’s take the case of the statement that if you remove your LR and live sand you break the life cycle of ick (sorry if the word ick shows my lack of knowledge on the subject but just bare (everyone take off their clothes ) with me). I could have just said that his was not a true statement. That would have meant that hobbyists would have to believe me or not. Instead I asked the hobbyist posting that statement to revisit the life cycle of ick and see if he can validate his statement or find if it was false. One way or another he would have a foundation for his statement and not just take my word for it
BTW I just found out its Cryptocaryon Irritans I guess you are never too old to learn
 
cranberry

cranberry

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What do you mean you just found out it's ******?
Ick or Ich is VERY correct to refer to it as... why? Because it's a common name and common names are not suppose to be "correct"... just common. The people who think otherwise need to step back and see if they've ever called their fish a Tang, or a Clownfish or your coral a sun coral. This hobby is FILLED with common names and anyone who insists it must be spelled out scientifically correctly in a conversation has not had enough conversations about it. It's a Hellava long word to be typing it out in it's entirety every time I refer to it in a single post.
 
florida joe

florida joe

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Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3271841
What do you mean you just found out it's ******?
Ick or Ich is VERY correct to refer to it as... why? Because it's a common name and common names are not suppose to be "correct"... just common. The people who think otherwise need to step back and see if they've ever called their fish a Tang, or a Clownfish or your coral a sun coral. This hobby is FILLED with common names and anyone who insists it must be spelled out scientifically correctly in a conversation has not had enough conversations about it. It's a Hellava long word to be typing it out in it's entirety every time I refer to it in a single post.
This was AquaKnights quote to me
I feel people who refer to Cryptocaryon irritans as Ick, don't know enough about it
Hence my come back about just finding out, we are just having a little fun with each other I THINK
 
spanko

spanko

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Renee I thought it was maybe you a while back, but were you the proponent of no QT because of the added stress to the fish? It may not have been but it seems like the person that said this was dealing from information they got from the wholesalers. It could be I was in some type of stupor, but I seem to remember someone taking that stance. Gonna have to go see if I can find thread.
 
cranberry

cranberry

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Nope, I QT everything...
I have no idea why anyone ever listen to the wholesalers about the proper care of fish. It's like a very unhappy puppy mill inside those walls. I actually have to leave the area when they start on packaging me up.... they are crazy rough... kindda treat them like bait fish. And these are the wholesalers many of y'alls stores are using, both online and not.
Ya... find the thread. I wanna get in on that one...lol.
 
srfisher17

srfisher17

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Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3271864
Nope, I QT everything...
I have no idea why anyone ever listen to the wholesalers about the proper care of fish. It's like a very unhappy puppy mill inside those walls. I actually have to leave the area when they start on packaging me up.... they are crazy rough... kindda treat them like bait fish. And these are the wholesalers many of y'alls stores are using, both online and not.
Ya... find the thread. I wanna get in on that one...lol.
Lots of fish we love ARE baitfish for the local people where they are caught. Piles of large angels are common at Indonesian fish markets. Our little fishies are not special, except as a potential profit, for anyone along the way,. then they arrive in our tanks and are treated like royalty
 
cranberry

cranberry

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Originally Posted by srfisher17
http:///forum/post/3271866
Lots of fish we love ARE baitfish for the local people where they are caught. Piles of large angels are common at Indonesian fish markets. Our little fishies are not special, except as a potential profit, for anyone along the way,. then they arrive in our tanks and are treated like royalty
However I would not pay 600 bucks for a bait fish or consider a baitfish a rare find.... I do expect them to handle something I purchased with a little care when I'm obviously watching. Some are very heavy handed. I don't buy expensive fish from them.
 
spanko

spanko

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Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3271883
Henry at this time of night its a miracle that you can stand at all. parity on my friend

Joe my friend, don't know if this was a slip or a statement or our equality in physical capabilities at this time of night.
Parity . the quality or state of being equal or equivalent
 
florida joe

florida joe

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Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/3271884
Joe my friend, don't know if this was a slip or a statement or our equality in physical capabilities at this time of night.
Parity . the quality or state of being equal or equivalent
Henry my dear dear friend only you and you along would catch my drift
WELL DONE
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3271852
Hence my come back about just finding out, we are just having a little fun with each other I THINK
Just trying keep things semi-lighthearted.
In all seriousness, in this specific case Ick/Ich, it doesn't matter. It's just I like some standardization. For example, Halichoeres chrysus Canary/Yellow Wrasse, starts getting called "Yellow Coris Wrasse." Then the Pastel-Green wrasse, gets called the Green Coris Wrasse. Why?
No idea as neither are Coris-genus wrasses.... Now whenever someone posts "problem with my coris wrasse" we're forced to first find out which fish their talking about first.
[/rant]
Back to QT's...
 
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