Quiet here today

mantisman51

mantisman51

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http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/10/04/bill-maher-obama-looks-he-does-need-teleprompter
Thanks, Ruben. I didn't watch it, but just reading the fish wraps, it seems The Messiah couldn't keep running from his record by accusing Romney of rping kittens and eating children, while watching their mothers die of cancer in the street on live TV and have his public relations arm in the press cover it up. Yeah, that's a run on sentence and it was meant to be.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393135/quiet-here-today#post_3495108
You 0bama fans needed a lot of drinks tonight.
Couldn't tell you. I found a Fleetwood Mac concert on TV and watched that instead.
From what I read, it was a push. Depends on which media outlet you listened to. Romnut (see I can be an ingrate and muck up a name) still hasn't spelled out what he plans to do to fix the economy. Like how he said he'd repeal Obamacare, then apologized to Obama for using the name (which Obama said he didn't mind because he liked the name), yet everyone knows he currently doesn't have the votes in the Senate to do it.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393135/quiet-here-today#post_3495125
Couldn't tell you. I found a Fleetwood Mac concert on TV and watched that instead.
From what I read, it was a push. Depends on which media outlet you listened to. Romnut (see I can be an ingrate and muck up a name) still hasn't spelled out what he plans to do to fix the economy. Like how he said he'd repeal Obamacare, then apologized to Obama for using the name (which Obama said he didn't mind because he liked the name), yet everyone knows he currently doesn't have the votes in the Senate to do it.
A Push???
Numerous Democrat strategists called it for Romney and a lot of 0bama's celebrity friends threw him under the bus. When Bill Mahr and Michael Moore dis him you know he did horrible. Even Chris "Tingle my leg like it's 2008" Matthews said 0bama got creamed.
 
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393135/quiet-here-today#post_3495136
A Push???
Numerous Democrat strategists called it for Romney and a lot of 0bama's celebrity friends threw him under the bus. When Bill Mahr and Michael Moore dis him you know he did horrible. Even Chris "Tingle my leg like it's 2008" Matthews said 0bama got creamed.
Agreed. All the news sources I read this morning say it was an obvious win for Romney.
 
mantisman51

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http://news.yahoo.com/after-the-debate-debacle-for-obama--we%E2%80%99ll-find-out-if-we-have-a-race.html
Here's the report from Obama's Yahoo office. I read mostly Yahoo for my news and they are just about the most open and unashamed Obama public relations operation.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393135/quiet-here-today#post_3495136
A Push???
Numerous Democrat strategists called it for Romney and a lot of 0bama's celebrity friends threw him under the bus. When Bill Mahr and Michael Moore dis him you know he did horrible. Even Chris "Tingle my leg like it's 2008" Matthews said 0bama got creamed.
Romney was more aggressive, but he used his tired excuses of what is wrong with Obama's policies, yet he provided no viable solutions to fix them. Quit funding PBS? Really? Oh yeah, I won't be putting food on my table tonight because Big Bird is teaching kids their A,B,C's....
 
darthtang aw

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Who said it was a push?
Even my liberal friends called or texted me, irritated at how bad Obama was getting owned.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/393135/quiet-here-today#post_3495157
Who said it was a push?
Even my liberal friends called or texted me, irritated at how bad Obama was getting owned.
Romney attacked, and Obama didn't attack back. He just stated facts to support his position. He looked sluggish and had this "I don't really want to be here" attitude. Obama's team probably told him that he's got a solid lead in the polls, he's winning voters in the swing states, and all he has to do is remain calm and stick to his speaking points. People didn't want to see that. They want a cage match between the two, with the snipes and one-liners. Did Romney actually provide explicit details how he's going to improve the economy, or did he just sit their bringing up what he considers are Obama's downfalls?
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393135/quiet-here-today#post_3495155
Romney was more aggressive, but he used his tired excuses of what is wrong with Obama's policies, yet he provided no viable solutions to fix them. Quit funding PBS? Really? Oh yeah, I won't be putting food on my table tonight because Big Bird is teaching kids their A,B,C's....
You don't get it. PBS is an obvious example of foolish spending. He also mentioned consolidating programs and eliminating departments which saves a lot of money. You gotta start somewhere. We are going to have to deal with SS and Medicare but doesn't it make sense to cut the fat first?
Romney could be aggressive because the real 0bama didn't show up. It's kind of easy to pound on someone who ducks and covers. Next debate will be different. It will be interesting to see how Romney does next time. Maybe rather than Romney being underestimated perhaps 0bama has been overestimated. We'll find out next debate.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393135/quiet-here-today#post_3495180
Romney attacked, and Obama didn't attack back. He just stated facts to support his position. He looked sluggish and had this "I don't really want to be here" attitude. Obama's team probably told him that he's got a solid lead in the polls, he's winning voters in the swing states, and all he has to do is remain calm and stick to his speaking points. People didn't want to see that. They want a cage match between the two, with the snipes and one-liners. Did Romney actually provide explicit details how he's going to improve the economy, or did he just sit their bringing up what he considers are Obama's downfalls?
What details do you want? Romney said if the corporate tax rate is dropped things like the oil industry tax breaks are on the table. He said his idea to lower tax rates is to eliminate deductions and credits in a way that doesn't increase middle class taxes and make sure "rich" people pay as much as they are now.
On Medicare he said he intends to have at least 2 private plans for folks to choose from.
But I find it interesting the DNC talking points are asking for details. Remember 0bama care? It was created by the bill we had to pass so we could see what was in it LOL!
The thing Romney needs to say in response to this is "Even assuming the Republicans run the table they are not going to have 60 votes in the Senate. Whatever I do has to have the approval of some Democrats. Do you think they would let me give a tax break to the rich?"
 
darthtang aw

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Romney attacked, and Obama didn't attack back.  He just stated facts to support his position.  He looked sluggish and had this "I don't really want to be here" attitude.  Obama's team probably told him that he's got a solid lead in the polls, he's winning voters in the swing states, and all he has to do is remain calm and stick to his speaking points.  People didn't want to see that.  They want a cage match between the two, with the snipes and one-liners. Did Romney actually provide explicit details how he's going to improve the economy, or did he just sit their bringing up what he considers are Obama's downfalls?
If you want to hear details from Romney, shouldn't you watch the debate? He was far more detailed than Obama.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393135/quiet-here-today#post_3495182
What details do you want? Romney said if the corporate tax rate is dropped things like the oil industry tax breaks are on the table. He said his idea to lower tax rates is to eliminate deductions and credits in a way that doesn't increase middle class taxes and make sure "rich" people pay as much as they are now.
On Medicare he said he intends to have at least 2 private plans for folks to choose from.
But I find it interesting the DNC talking points are asking for details. Remember 0bama care? It was created by the bill we had to pass so we could see what was in it LOL!
The thing Romney needs to say in response to this is "Even assuming the Republicans run the table they are not going to have 60 votes in the Senate. Whatever I do has to have the approval of some Democrats. Do you think they would let me give a tax break to the rich?"
Please. Cutting corporate taxes and rich people's taxes was tried by Bush and it was an epic fail. That's the Republican manta - whack taxes with the theory that businesses will start spending money. Problem is, you whack taxes, you whack revenues. Whack revenues and the defiicit soars. Isn't that what you're railing on Obama about in the first place?
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/393135/quiet-here-today#post_3495202
If you want to hear details from Romney, shouldn't you watch the debate? He was far more detailed than Obama.
Fleetwood Mac was better. MUCH better. Why watch it when i can just go to all these media sites you're talking about and get the edited version. Saves me 2 hours of grief and boredom.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393135/quiet-here-today#post_3495205
Please. Cutting corporate taxes and rich people's taxes was tried by Bush and it was an epic fail. That's the Republican manta - whack taxes with the theory that businesses will start spending money. Problem is, you whack taxes, you whack revenues. Whack revenues and the defiicit soars. Isn't that what you're railing on Obama about in the first place?
First and foremost Bush didn't cut corporate tax rates. And I don't know if you have an issue with reading comprehension or what but Romney has repeatedly said he isn't cutting how much "rich" people pay in taxes. He is going to lower the rates people pay but he's also removing a lot of write offs. Do you really think the Dems will let a tax cut for the rich go through? Just a permanent tax fix is going to lead to more hiring and more investment. Hell, if the Bush cuts all just expire you'll see an uptick in hiring because business will know what to expect. Of course it will kill investment but you get the point. Any fair permanent fix to the tax code is going to help the economy.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393135/quiet-here-today#post_3495181
You don't get it. PBS is an obvious example of foolish spending. He also mentioned consolidating programs and eliminating departments which saves a lot of money. You gotta start somewhere. We are going to have to deal with SS and Medicare but doesn't it make sense to cut the fat first?
Romney could be aggressive because the real 0bama didn't show up. It's kind of easy to pound on someone who ducks and covers. Next debate will be different. It will be interesting to see how Romney does next time. Maybe rather than Romney being underestimated perhaps 0bama has been overestimated. We'll find out next debate.
You don't get it. PBS is just a talking point for Romney. "Let's cut discretionary spending, so let's whack useless programs like PBS that only benefit a small sector of the American population" PBS' 2012 budget allocation for the TV part was around $222 million. These two stupid candidates have spent FIVE TIMES that amount just on their campaigns. Instead of wasting that money on pointless little attack ads, they could've donated that money to PBS, and they'd have operational capital until 2017. The PBS budget represents about .0014% of the annual federal budget. I've told you 100 times that discretionary spending on piddly programs like PBS aren't our economic problems - SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE, MILITARY. Getting rid of every "discretionary" program wouldn't give you enough cash to erven pay the interest on the current deficit. Now Romney wants to cut taxes even more, which means less taxable revenue, which means a higher deficit.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/04/1139816/-Mitt-Romney-vows-to-fire-Big-Bird-to-save-0-00014-of-the-budget
http://www.cpb.org/aboutcpb/financials/budget/
Most economic analyst state Romney's tax cut plan will increas the deficit by at least $5 trillion over the next 10 years, if not more.
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-10-04/the-real-story-about-romneys-tax-cut-plan
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3658
 
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