Really fine white ocean sand?

cannonman

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I'm in the process of switching from a crushed coral substrate (fowlr) to a reef set up in my 75 gal. Most everything is ready for the big change now, new lights in place etc... I have some huge tubs to put my LR and fish into... all set except for: What sand to get? I don't want live sand, I have more than enough to seed from my other reef tank, I just want some bags of plain old, SMALL GRAIN, WHITE sand for my substrate. I look around online and find tons of live sand for sale and what not but not so much "dead sand". Is there anywhere that I can buy it bulk? Also, isn't there one type of sand sold at hardware stores once in a while (playsand for kids) that comes in a blue bag that can be used? I read about it in a DIY talk on making LR.... can't remember the name.
 

reefkprz

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the play sand is called newcastle any others you have to read the bag carefully and make sure there is no silica in them, or granite (granite leaches arsenic into the water) your best bet would be to contact the companies that make the sand.
 

cannonman

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Newcastle... that's it. I suppose I won't be able to find any now until spring though...hmmm. Is that stuff pretty fine grained do you know? I went to the local home depot and they had play sand but not that stuff... silica based stuff.. Sure would be nice to pay a couple of dollars per bag rather than 15-20 per bag....or however much it is.
 

chipmaker

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YOu can use the bagged white sand at HOme Depot and Lowes. Its play sand and its silca (quartz) but its still useable. Its the sand that comprises the majority of the Gulf of mexico. You only get the aragonite sands wherew there is a lot of natural coral reefs, such as the Florid Keys, the Caribean etc. Personally I use all silica based sands I collect naturally off the GofM and i have never had problems with my tanks.........just because its silica based. There just is not any reason for aragoite sand to cost as much as it does. I can get a ton of pure white silica sand delivered to my door for what a 15# bag or aragonite costs or even a 10# bag of white silica sand thats sold at *****.....
 

reefkprz

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the reason I reccomend against silica sand is in a contained system it can promote algae growth, I wasnt implying it was gonna kill anything, I suppose I should have explained a little better. Neither am I saying you will get algae problems but it can promote algae growth, just something to keep in mind.
I apologise for not explaining that better.
 

cannonman

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Originally Posted by chipmaker
YOu can use the bagged white sand at HOme Depot and Lowes. Its play sand and its silca (quartz) but its still useable. Its the sand that comprises the majority of the Gulf of mexico. You only get the aragonite sands wherew there is a lot of natural coral reefs, such as the Florid Keys, the Caribean etc. Personally I use all silica based sands I collect naturally off the GofM and i have never had problems with my tanks.........just because its silica based. There just is not any reason for aragoite sand to cost as much as it does. I can get a ton of pure white silica sand delivered to my door for what a 15# bag or aragonite costs or even a 10# bag of white silica sand thats sold at *****.....
Now this is interesting.. I went to home depot and they had some really fine brite white sand but it said that it contains cilicates and there was a warning about breathing the stuff and I thought.....hmmm.. probably no. Now I wonder though..... would like to buy some southdown or newcastle though... just because I read about that on here more...man.. I don't want problems down the road though either...
 

stanlalee

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Originally Posted by reefkprZ
the reason I reccomend against silica sand is in a contained system it can promote algae growth, I wasnt implying it was gonna kill anything, I suppose I should have explained a little better. Neither am I saying you will get algae problems but it can promote algae growth, just something to keep in mind.
I apologise for not explaining that better.
I'll quote a Bang Guy post in regards to silca sand and algae growth
"If it has silica in it it will produce a ton of diatoms."
Diatoms do not use Silica. Diatoms require Silicates.
Silica is Silicon dioxide, the primary ingredient in Glass. If Silica caused Diatoms then glass tanks would be a very bad idea
 

chipmaker

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The white sand in HD will nor promote any alage blooms.......silica and silcate is two different animals. The reason they warn yu about breathing the stuff is the fines (dust mainly) has particles in it that are sharp and will migrate into the lungs and stick, just like anthrasilicosis or white lung disease. Its mainly from inhaling dust particles that eventually cause irritatioon to ones lungs and yu eventually sort of drown since they start to produce lots of mucus etc. It in no way will hurt a thing in a wet environment......matter of fact water is how they knock down the dust when drilling and quarrying the stuff to prevent respiratory problems. Yur fish certainly are not gonna get lung / gill or any other problems, and just don;t stick you head over the bag/ bucket when pouring it dry and don;t try snorting it like cocaine and you'll be fine.. You probably inhale a ton more worse stuff walking out the front door to get in the car.
 

cannonman

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Okay... Why don't I find/read more people trying this than what are then? I mean there's a ton of people paying big bucks for the sand at the LFS (myself inlcuded on the last tank) and I do find some talk of newcastle and southdown sand working but very little to none of these no name "plays sands" This is going to be such a pain in the arse to change the cc out for the sand that I would hate to regret it down the road...
 

joshh81

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My LFS store here in Fl has tons of super white fine sand. I will head down there some time today and get the brand and mabey take a pic for ya.
They use it in their tanks and it really looks awesome.
 

cgrant

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this time around i used the argonite sand instead of the fine whote sand, i have read that the really fine sand packs down and causes problems so i went with the argonite sand this time, the grains are a little bugger and i guess they dont pack down like the fine sand does.
 

cannonman

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CGrant- did you have a problem with the compaction? I didn't think that would be a problem in a DSB- (didn't think it would matter for the anerobic bacteria)... hmmm.. yet another thing to consider.
 

chipmaker

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You can get a few different mesh sizes of the white sands. I use stuff that is about like sugar. None of the critters have a problem burrowing in to it.
 

reefkprz

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Diatoms are nature's most gifted nanotechnologists," said Nils Kröger, an assistant professor in Georgia Tech's School of Chemistry and Biochemistry and the School of Materials Science and Engineering. "We want to learn how diatom cell walls are produced because human technology can't make something that intricate by self-assembly processes and under ambient conditions..."
The pores allow diatoms to be lightweight, but their cell wall gives them a strong mechanical structure. The strength of the cell wall comes from amorphous silica, or silicon dioxide (SiO2)--virtually the same material as glass.
Investigations into the influence of seasons and tides on the nutrient dynamics and plankton cycles of the Great Kwa River covering a distance of 25 Km. was conducted in 1997. Three equidistant stations were chosen. Both nutrients and phytoplankton biomass and diversities were greatest at station 1 followed by 2 then 3 while zooplankton biomass increased from stn. 3,1 and peaked in 2. The most abundant nutrient was SiO2 leading to diatom dominance in all the stations irrespective of tides and seasons. More nutrients were observed during the rainy season and consequently more algal biomass. Thirty eight species each of micro-algae and zooplankton comprising four classes of algae and five faunal classes were identified and enumerated. Grazing by zooplankton was established. Paucity in zooplankton abundance was linked to antibiotic effects of some aquatic plants, increase in water volume and pollution indicator organisms. The oligotrophic status of the river was traced to the predominance of the ciliates (detritivores), which created conducive environment for algal decomposers-bacteria- to thrive on. Micro-algal biomass was comparatively higher at low and mid tides than at floodtides, while zooplankton peaked at Ft, low at Lt. and lowest at Mt. Physical factors and nutrients had very strong positive r (p < .001) at both Lt. and Ft.
So yes diatomic algae can use silica sand to multiply and lead to algae problems, I know its hard to believe but its true. I dont want to start an argument but diatoms are about 90% silica (Si02) by dry weight.
 
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