Religions Vs. Pork

[t316]

So what is it with some religions having a problem with eating pork? %%
I was the head cook on a huge campout this weekend and somebody comes up to me insisting that "his eggs have the ham cubes left out". Well, too late since everything has already hit the pan together, as he sat there and watched the whole deal, and knew the menu ahead of time. I say "you can pick the ham cubes out". He comes back with a smart remark (I'll clean it up here) "it don't work that way". My first thought was....Is your name crimzy? But I say...Hope you like GRITS bud............

I go out of my way to accomodate vegetarians and religious request when I cook in the outdoors for large groups, but attitude and stupidity sometimes piss me off beyond my understanding of all religious practices.
Thoughts....

 

[uneverno]

Trichinosis.
Same thing w/ shellfish prohibitions.
Most religious food taboos have roots in the diseases that existed then.

 

[t316]

So where does the ATTITUDE come into play with all this?
Do these people just assume that the rest of the world knows their beliefs/customs/traditions and everyone should bow

in their honor?

 

[ruaround]

if you dont eat bacon you cant be human!!!

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3188539
So where does the ATTITUDE come into play with all this?
Do these people just assume that the rest of the world knows their beliefs/customs/traditions and everyone should bow

in their honor?
once we took this Turkish Muslim camping. Down just behind the sand dunes. So it was mosquito heaven. Now, he claimed to like to sleep under the stars, and REFUSED bug spray. Saying ohh mosquito's don't like Turks. Bahaha. Anyway, we went out and bought all this breakfast food that would be acceptable for a practicing Muslim. (I don't remember what it is called) like turkey bacon. And despite all the bending over we did. The only thing he ate was one pancake. I'll be danged if I didn't go way way out of my way, look like a looney and buy turkey bacon instead of regular bacon. And the dude didn't even bother to eat it. You know, the last time I do something like that to accommodate people. Next time all I'm going to do is warn em. You know pork is a nice sweet meat.

 

[dragonzim]

Not sure about Muslims, but with the Jewish religion and people that keep Kosher, the rules originally started out as a basic health code. Pigs and any other animal with a cloven hoof were considered unclean animals because they tend to lay around in their own crap. Shellfish are off the table because as filter feeders and detritivores they eat the waste of other animals.

 

[geridoc]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3188549
once we took this Turkish Muslim camping. Down just behind the sand dunes. So it was mosquito heaven. Now, he claimed to like to sleep under the stars, and REFUSED bug spray. Saying ohh mosquito's don't like Turks. Bahaha. Anyway, we went out and bought all this breakfast food that would be acceptable for a practicing Muslim. (I don't remember what it is called) like turkey bacon. And despite all the bending over we did. The only thing he ate was one pancake. I'll be danged if I didn't go way way out of my way, look like a looney and buy turkey bacon instead of regular bacon. And the dude didn't even bother to eat it. You know, the last time I do something like that to accommodate people. Next time all I'm going to do is warn em. You know pork is a nice sweet meat.
I understand where that guy was coming from. My mother was raised in a kosher household, and as a result, even though she does not keep a kosher house now, she cannot bring herself to eat pork or ham. We had her over to our house once when we served turkey bacon (trying a low fat alternative), and she couldn't bring herself to eat that either. At the intellectual level she knew it wasn't pork, but at the gut level it just didn't matter. BTW - turkey bacon is low in fat, but inedible anyway.

 

[t316]

Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3188622
Not sure about Muslims, but with the Jewish religion and people that keep Kosher, the rules originally started out as a basic health code. Pigs and any other animal with a cloven hoof were considered unclean animals because they tend to lay around in their own crap. Shellfish are off the table because as filter feeders and detritivores they eat the waste of other animals.
Yes, he was Jewish. But I would think that if one is Jewish, and lives in NC (one of the pork capitals of the country), one should make an effort to inform ahead of time of any such religious dietary accomodations. On the other hand, this guy had other issues as well.

 

[dragonzim]

Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/3188624
BTW - turkey bacon is low in fat, but inedible anyway.
Turkey fat may be low in fat but it is so much higher in sodium than pork bacon that pretty much any health benefit you get from the lower fat gets blown out the window by the sodium count.

 

[dragonzim]

Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3188626
Yes, he was Jewish. But I would think that if one is Jewish, and lives in NC (one of the pork capitals of the country), one should make an effort to inform ahead of time of any such religious dietary accomodations. On the other hand, this guy had other issues as well.
He absolutely should have informed you of his dietary restrictions. Not your fault at all.
Was this a kid or a parent? If it was a kid sounds like he was just being a PIA

 

[t316]

Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3188629
He absolutely should have informed you of his dietary restrictions. Not your fault at all.
Was this a kid or a parent? If it was a kid sounds like he was just being a PIA
No, this was a parent (adult). His kid was running around having a great time, although that was his "other issues" that I mentioned. His son was autistic (must have been very mild b/c I didn't notice anything) but the man complained all day on Sat. about how his kid was getting left out, or his group hasn't eaten yet, on and on. They finally packed up and left late Sat. afternoon without even saying goodbye. Too bad for him b/c I had marinated venison and smoked beef brisket for dinner

But who knows, that might not have passed his restrictions either

 

[jennythebugg]

theres one in every group

 

[flower]

Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3188508
Trichinosis.
Same thing w/ shellfish prohibitions.
Most religious food taboos have roots in the diseases that existed then.

I am afraid that isn't true. The ONLY reason not to eat pork, shellfish or puppies is because God told us in scritpure not to. He said it is not food for humans.

 

[dragonzim]

Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3188656

I am afraid that isn't true. The ONLY reason not to eat pork, shellfish or puppies is because God told us in scritpure not to. He said it is not food for humans.
I dont remember the puppies part from my Hebrew school classes as a kid!

 

[flower]

Of course you do…Any animal that does not have a split hoof and chews the cud is not food for you, it is unclean.
That covers horses, cats, puppies, pigs, monkeys, bunnies and kangaroos just to name a few. It had nothing to do with diseases. God said it was not food and should not be eaten.
There are people who like to eat dog meat and monkey brains. Pork eaters would be grossed out if they found out the “beef” in their burger was horse meat, and can’t imagine eating a puppy or a kitten. However since they have eaten pork all their lives, don’t think it is gross to eat it.
So for understandings sake, I mention puppies to offer a little insight on how we view pork. How upset would our friend T316 be if they were cooking puppy on the grill that day?

 

[dragonzim]

Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3188669

Of course you do…Any animal that does not have a split hoof and chews the cud is not food for you, it is unclean.
Chews cud, or does not chew cud? Cows chew cud and are considered food

 

[t316]

Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3188669

So for understandings sake, I mention puppies to offer a little insight on how we view pork. How upset would our friend T316 be if they were cooking puppy on the grill that day?

Well, I had kitty once when I was in college and didn't know the difference, from a Chinese joint. But I didn't know it at the time. Place was raided about a week later.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/3188624
I understand where that guy was coming from. My mother was raised in a kosher household, and as a result, even though she does not keep a kosher house now, she cannot bring herself to eat pork or ham. We had her over to our house once when we served turkey bacon (trying a low fat alternative), and she couldn't bring herself to eat that either. At the intellectual level she knew it wasn't pork, but at the gut level it just didn't matter. BTW - turkey bacon is low in fat, but inedible anyway.
Well, no one else ate it either. I guess I can't be too mad, if I wouldn't eat it. All I know is that I've been in other countries and eaten god knows what because it would be rude not to. hehe, at least he got his own, being a skeeter magnent...
Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3188642
No, this was a parent (adult). His kid was running around having a great time, although that was his "other issues" that I mentioned. His son was autistic (must have been very mild b/c I didn't notice anything) but the man complained all day on Sat. about how his kid was getting left out, or his group hasn't eaten yet, on and on. They finally packed up and left late Sat. afternoon without even saying goodbye. Too bad for him b/c I had marinated venison and smoked beef brisket for dinner

But who knows, that might not have passed his restrictions either

I don't think Deer chews their cud...

 

[flower]

Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3188677
Well, I had kitty once when I was in college and didn't know the difference, from a Chinese joint. But I didn't know it at the time. Place was raided about a week later.

Were you grossed out? Raided..why? Did you let the owner know you did not eat kitty meat before you sat down to eat?
The answer of course is no. You never let it cross your mind that people would eat cat meat. So why mention ahead of time that you don’t eat it?
Allot of Jewish people stay in their own community, (they work, go to Synagogue and have friends with like tastes, all close to home) and never give it a thought to have to tell someone they don’t eat that kind of food.
Then they find themselves at a picnic and realize the error, but they still need the respect not to be fed pork, and picking it out is not possible. Its nasty juice has contaminated everything it touched.
I know you think the guy was a pain. What if you were in a group who love eating chocolate covered dung beetles? How adamant would you be demanding an apple instead?
Sometimes in this world, trying to see things from another’s perspective will bring the maturity to accept diversity and not judge them as just trying to be a “princess”…like the mean statement made by a usually sweet girl “There is one in every crowd”

You know that old saying. Try walking a mile in their shoes before you judge them. The guy wasn’t trying to be a pain, he was hungry and really wanted an “apple” to eat instead, so to speak.

 

[flower]

Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3188673
Chews cud, or does not chew cud? Cows chew cud and are considered food

Without quoting the scripture..and really boring everyone.
a cow has a split hoof AND chews the cud..so does a deer, a giraffe and a goat, these are considered food.
A rabbit chews the cud but does not have a hoof, a pig has a split hoof but does not chew the cud, these are not food.
Any animal that chews the cud and has a split hoof...these are for you.
Only fish that have both fins AND scales are considered food. Any sealife that does not have both is considered not food.