Religions Vs. Pork

t316

Active Member
Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3188692

Were you grossed out? Raided..why? Did you let the owner know you did not eat kitty meat before you sat down to eat?
Not really grossed out, surprised maybe. Raided for having skinned felines in the freezer. No, I did not indicate to the owner that I did not eat kitty meat, mainly because his menu indicated beef, chicken, pork. Doubt it listed cat.
The answer of course is no. You never let it cross your mind that people would eat cat meat. So why mention ahead of time that you don’t eat it?
You are correct, there was no need to mention the fact that I only eat legally acceptable foods in a public restaurant.
Allot of Jewish people stay in their own community, (they work, go to Synagogue and have friends with like tastes, all close to home) and never give it a thought to have to tell someone they don’t eat that kind of food.
Then they find themselves at a picnic and realize the error, but they still need the respect not to be fed pork, and picking it out is not possible. Its nasty juice has contaminated everything it touched.
I know you think the guy was a pain. What if you were in a group who love eating chocolate covered dung beetles? How adamant would you be demanding an apple instead?
Totally understandable, but when you choose to differentiate from the majority, one would think that it is your responsibility to notify others of such. I would gladly have cooked his eggs before all the others, and before any meat touched the pan. He saw the menu, he watched me mix the food and start cooking, then comes up to me.
Sometimes in this world, trying to see things from another’s perspective will bring the maturity to accept diversity and not judge them as just trying to be a “princess”…like the mean statement made by a usually sweet girl “There is one in every crowd”

I think she was referring to an a-hole. Not a religious statement.
You know that old saying. Try walking a mile in their shoes before you judge them. The guy wasn’t trying to be a pain, he was hungry and really wanted an “apple” to eat instead, so to speak.
In some cases, yes. In this case, the guy was not looking an apple. He was visibly, physically outraged. At first I thought he was referring to being a vegetarian, hence my suggestion to pick out the meat. IMO, he only brought a negative light to his religion/heritage thru his attitude. There are better ways that he could have gotten what he wanted. Instead, he got GRITS
 

dragonzim

Active Member
Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3188692

Were you grossed out? Raided..why? Did you let the owner know you did not eat kitty meat before you sat down to eat?
The answer of course is no. You never let it cross your mind that people would eat cat meat. So why mention ahead of time that you don’t eat it?
Allot of Jewish people stay in their own community, (they work, go to Synagogue and have friends with like tastes, all close to home) and never give it a thought to have to tell someone they don’t eat that kind of food.
Then they find themselves at a picnic and realize the error, but they still need the respect not to be fed pork, and picking it out is not possible. Its nasty juice has contaminated everything it touched.
I know you think the guy was a pain. What if you were in a group who love eating chocolate covered dung beetles? How adamant would you be demanding an apple instead?
Sometimes in this world, trying to see things from another’s perspective will bring the maturity to accept diversity and not judge them as just trying to be a “princess”…like the mean statement made by a usually sweet girl “There is one in every crowd”

You know that old saying. Try walking a mile in their shoes before you judge them. The guy wasn’t trying to be a pain, he was hungry and really wanted an “apple” to eat instead, so to speak.
I'm with you for the most part here since I was brought up Jewish, but not in a Kosher household. It was the responsibilty of this guy to let the cooks know WELL ahead of time about his dietary restrictions. Or, better yet, he should have thought to bring his own food because it is kind of ridiculous to expect a group cooking for a flock of scouts to cater just to his own restrictions.
 

uneverno

Active Member
Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3188656

I am afraid that isn't true. The ONLY reason not to eat pork, shellfish or puppies is because God told us in scritpure not to. He said it is not food for humans.
No disrespect intended, but Judaism is not the only religion w/ those dietary taboos. Halal follows very close to the same rules as well - pork bad, but locusts ok, etc. Additionally, the God of the Hebrews removed those taboos for Christians. What changed in the interim - God or man?
I don't think it's a coincidence that the majority of items prohibited are also the likeliest to make one sick if improperly handled.
All I'm saying is, maybe God looked at the silly humans undercooking their pork and suggested they may not want to do that. We, being a species that loves the clarity of black and white, made a law.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3188764
No disrespect intended, but Judaism is not the only religion w/ those dietary taboos. Halal follows very close to the same rules as well - pork bad, but locusts ok. Additionally, the God of the Hebrews removed those taboos for Christians. What changed in the interim - God or man?
All I'm saying is, maybe God looked at the silly humans undercooking their pork and suggested they may not want to do that.
Yep, Shellfish can also do nasty things if not properly handled too.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3188764
No disrespect intended, but Judaism is not the only religion w/ those dietary taboos. Halal follows very close to the same rules as well - pork bad, but locusts ok, etc. Additionally, the God of the Hebrews removed those taboos for Christians. What changed in the interim - God or man?
I don't think it's a coincidence that the majority of items prohibited are also the likeliest to make one sick if improperly handled.
All I'm saying is, maybe God looked at the silly humans undercooking their pork and suggested they may not want to do that. We, being a species that loves the clarity of black and white, made a law.
It is interesting, imo that the Jews came up with these laws, thousands of years before we really knew the dangers of eating alot of that food...
 

uneverno

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3188789
It is interesting, imo that the Jews came up with these laws, thousands of years before we really knew the dangers of eating alot of that food...
I think the laws were made because the dangers were known.
What wasn't
known was the cause, therefore, simply call it inedible. Problem solved.
This, of course, is just my opinion as an amatuer historian of no particular faith.
 

uneverno

Active Member
With regard to the OP, my opinion is that it is a matter of common courtesy that has generally gone by the wayside in modern society.
As a guest, it is incumbent upon the person to make the host/group aware of dietary restrictions, whether they be matters of faith, or allergies. If one doesn't take the responsibility to do so, then it seems to me that it's also impolite to complain about it after the fact.
Equally so, if the restrictions are known, it is impolite on the part of the host not to accomodate.
"Polite" is a word/concept we seldom encounter anymore...
 

kjr_trig

Active Member
We had to change the name of our "Holiday Employee Party" to "Winter Celebration" because 2 servers (sisters) in the restaurant are Jehovah's Witnesses. Apparently they don't believe in any "Holiday", one of our staff was so miffed he went up to them and said "Just curious, Is Jehovah ok with smoking pot and drinking excessively?." and walked away, thankfully he didn't say anything else or I'm sure I would have had to write him up, or worse.
 

meowzer

Moderator
Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3188692

Were you grossed out? Raided..why? Did you let the owner know you did not eat kitty meat before you sat down to eat?
Flower that's hilarious.....I have never seen "kitty" on any chinese menu before
I have seen pork, chicken etc.....most chinese places list what they are serving
you know MOO SHOO PORK
Not MOO SHOO MEOWZER
 

geridoc

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3188813
We had to change the name of our "Holiday Employee Party" to "Winter Celebration" because 2 servers (sisters) in the restaurant are Jehovah's Witnesses. Apparently they don't believe in any "Holiday", one of our staff was so miffed he went up to them and said "Just curious, Is Jehovah ok with smoking pot and drinking excessively?." and walked away, thankfully he didn't say anything else or I'm sure I would have had to write him up, or worse.

I would not have changed the name of the party - I would have changed its location. The name of the party is an issue between the owners of the restaurant and its employees. The Jehovah's witnesses weren't invited to celebrate with you, only to carry out a service. If they didn't like it, they could have always found other employment, but you don't have an obligation to change your celebration out of some misplaced sense of respect for them - after all, they didn't respect your holiday!
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/3188832
- after all, they didn't respect your holiday!
bahah, I thought liberals had to keep everyone happy, oh wait, Jehovah Witnesses have some Judeo-Christian aspects to their religion. So it is ok.
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3188764
No disrespect intended, but Judaism is not the only religion w/ those dietary taboos. Halal follows very close to the same rules as well - pork bad, but locusts ok, etc. Additionally, the God of the Hebrews removed those taboos for Christians. What changed in the interim - God or man?
I don't think it's a coincidence that the majority of items prohibited are also the likeliest to make one sick if improperly handled.
All I'm saying is, maybe God looked at the silly humans undercooking their pork and suggested they may not want to do that. We, being a species that loves the clarity of black and white, made a law.

Ummm God of the Hebrews did NOT change anything for the Christians. This is not a religious thread...man O man would I like to sit down with you for a real Bible study...
I am Jewish, but I am also a believer in the Messiah.
That being said. The fellow most certainly should have mentioned his needs, and indeed to keep proper Kosher he should have brought his own food and grill according to Jewish law.
The man had no reason to be irate. I suppose he felt rejected by those around him concerning his religion. There is plenty of bigotry around, and some folks assume that is why there were not granted a certain privilege.
In the past, many of my black friend’s thought they were being singled out just for being black, when that was not the case. There are plenty of times before however, in other situations, when that was the case...those who have suffered under bigotry have a predisposed attitude.
Sad really, but once a person starts thinking others are against them because of religion, culture or skin color, it’s very hard for them to see past it.
So on his behalf T316, please forgive my fellow Jew. He behaved badly, you may never learn where his attitude came from, or what has happened in his past to make him the angry man he is today.
 

uneverno

Active Member
Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3188928

This is not a religious thread
Except in that the title is "Religions Vs. Pork," I agree. My statement was not intended as a springboard to the debate of religious minutiae. Rather, my observation is historically based and, as such, is my opinion.
...man O man would I like to sit down with you for a real Bible study...

I've read the book(s). Several times, in fact. I've engaged in studies of it with professionals and laypeople, both individually and in groups. All I can say is we'll have to agree to disagree. I will not argue your faith with you nor will I defend mine to you. That's a pointless discussion.
I do agree w/ Leviticus 11:19 on the not eating bats part (and perhaps on the hoopoe, as I have no idea what that is.)
As I said, no offence intended. To paraphrase the Roman adage: In matters of faith, there can be no dispute.
 

katsafados

Active Member
Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3188801
I think the laws were made because the dangers were known.
What wasn't
known was the cause, therefore, simply call it inedible. Problem solved.
This, of course, is just my opinion as an amatuer historian of no particular faith.

+ 1 on all this guys responses lol..
DONT JUMP DOWN MY THROAT FOR SAYING THIS JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION, WHICH I THINK HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT IM INTO SCIENCE LOL.
to me religion seems like it was made up.. so many religions that believe in different things... yet all of them say there was only one creator of human life? how can that be?!?! lol
I believe that religion was used as a way of controlling people when there was no other way of controlling them(lack of govt./ laws). So people decided to start a religion, teaching people they would go to some bad place(hell dont know about other peoples religions) if they broke a law(10 commandments)... doesnt this sound a lot mlike whats going on these days with an established govt? You steal, you break a law(10 commandments) you go to jail (hell)? %% Now that we have an established gov't and laws it seems like over the year's more and more people are less willing to follow religions
The catholic church has billions of $$$$$$, did God/ Jesus tell them to save it all rather than spending it on poor people ect(obviously they spend a fraction for charity, but if there really following through with God/Jesus's wishes wouldnt they have less money since theres so many problems in the world, and none have been fixed)? Shouldnt the churches be holes in the wall rather than being made up of gold or elaborate buildings with elaborate statues ect. while people sit outside of them wrapped up in a blanket begging for food? Doesnt religion teach us to help eachother?
Like I said just my personal opinion..
 

reefraff

Active Member
My brother is an Ordained minister, in the universal life church ($29.95 through a web site) His deity is Bernice. She is independently wealthy and very self confident so you don't need to be thanking her all the time and sending her money. He is sooo going to hell.
 

uneverno

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3188999
My brother is an Ordained minister, in the universal life church ($29.95 through a web site) His deity is Bernice. She is independently wealthy and very self confident so you don't need to be thanking her all the time and sending her money. He is sooo going to hell.

I am too. I mostly joined for the parking priveleges. Seemed less disingenuous than getting a handicapped placard, seeing as I'm not handicapped. Bonus? I can legally marry a couple (should they so desire) - on land, at sea, or even on the beach. How romantic is that?
What's this thing called "Hell" you refer to?
 

meowzer

Moderator
Originally Posted by Katsafados
http:///forum/post/3188996
+ 1 on all this guys responses lol..
DONT JUMP DOWN MY THROAT FOR SAYING THIS JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION, WHICH I THINK HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT IM INTO SCIENCE LOL.
to me religion seems like it was made up.. so many religions that believe in different things... yet all of them say there was only one creator of human life? how can that be?!?! lol
I believe that religion was used as a way of controlling people when there was no other way of controlling them(lack of govt./ laws). So people decided to start a religion, teaching people they would go to some bad place(hell dont know about other peoples religions) if they broke a law(10 commandments)... doesnt this sound a lot mlike whats going on these days with an established govt? You steal, you break a law(10 commandments) you go to jail (hell)?
Now that we have an established gov't and laws it seems like over the year's more and more people are less willing to follow religions
The catholic church has billions of $$$$$$, did God/ Jesus tell them to save it all rather than spending it on poor people ect(obviously they spend a fraction for charity, but if there really following through with God/Jesus's wishes wouldnt they have less money since theres so many problems in the world, and none have been fixed)? Shouldnt the churches be holes in the wall rather than being made up of gold or elaborate buildings with elaborate statues ect. while people sit outside of them wrapped up in a blanket begging for food? Doesnt religion teach us to help eachother?
Like I said just my personal opinion..
YIKES....
 
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