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tarball

tarball

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1journeyman said:

Originally Posted by Tarball
Tarball, where do you get your info? Seriously?
First off, Iraq is a founding member of OPEC. So much for us regulating at what price they sell oil at.

Second: "Iraq’s inability to secure crude pipelines in the north has meant that exports are generally routed through the southern port of Basrah. According to IRMO/ITAO, crude oil exports have fallen from a post-war high of around 2.0 million bbl/d in 2004, to an average of 1.5 million bbl/d in 2006. However, there is some marginal improvement recently mainly due to the intermittent ability to export crude through a northern pipeline, and improved loading capabilities in Basrah. In June 2007, Iraq issued its first tender in almost six months to sell Kirkuk oil. Iraq’s oil exports are under the domain of the Iraqi parastatal State Oil Marketing Organization (SOMO). The majority of oil exports go to refineries in Asia, including China and India. ..."
So they have refused to sell their oil huh? Better hurry and tell them that. Cause looks to me like they are selling a heck of a lot, primarily to India and China.
I didn't say Iraq oil sale was 0%. Its not more then 20% of full capacity. The country must have some revenue, MY GOD.
Keep things in perspective would you please.
Once again I'm seeing its pointless to converse with people in this thread.
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scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Tarball
Ridiculous!!!..... not to mention a worthless comment.
Most of what you have posted you have contradicted. You are better off sticking with your conspiracy theories.
 
scubadoo

scubadoo

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Tarball said:
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
I didn't say Iraq oil sale was 0%. Its not more then 20% of full capacity. The country mush have some revenue, MY GOD.
Keep things in perspective would you please.
Once again I'm seeing its pointless to converse with people in this thread.
Why continue? Where is the oil going in Iraq right now and who is getting the $. I thught we attacked them for oil according to you.
How are we dictating the price of thier oil. What facts do you have outside of your conspiracy theory?
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1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Tarball
But, what we can do is dictate what price we buy it at & how its disrupted....
The Iraq leaders must agree to our terms of Price to be bought & distribution. & they are not doing it.
That's why the oil isn't moving out of Iraq. The people of Iraq are refusing our demands of the oil.
And:
Originally Posted by tarball
I didn't say Iraq oil sale was 0%. Its not more then 20% of full capacity. The country mush have some revenue, MY GOD.
Oh, and 20%? Where did you pull that number from? READ WHAT YOU QUOTED from me.
 
tarball

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ScubaDoo said:
Originally Posted by Tarball
At then time of militray spending...you cannot determine a tank that is used for defense or offense..can you?
Besides, it was you position that if we do not sepnd money on the military...we will not be attacked.
many military weapons cannot be differentiated between offense/defense.
At the time of purchase of the handgun, no one knows the reason for the purchase besides the purchaser.
I thought it was your position if we spent money on the military, then we will be attacked. It matters not in your exmaple the purpose for the purchase...becuase if it does not take place...we will not be attacked according to your earlier post.
You are putting words in my mouth... STOP!!!
I never said if we have a defence will be attacked. What i said is, if we use our Military in offensive matter. We make our self vulnerable to a defensive attack from the one we are attacking.
This is 3rd grade commen sense, what wrong with you?
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1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Tarball
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
I didn't say Iraq oil sale was 0%. Its not more then 20% of full capacity.... .
Iraqi oil exports rise by 9.2 percent
By SINAN SALAHEDDIN
Associated Press Writer
BAGHDAD (AP) -- Iraq's oil exports rose 9.2 percent last year, the Oil Ministry announced Thursday, largely because improved security allowed pumping to resume through a pipeline from northern oil fields.
The rise in 2007 exports reached nearly 600 million barrels, or an average of 1.6 million barrels per day - still short of the estimated 2.5 million barrels a day before the U.S.-led invasion in 2003.
But overall Iraqi oil production - accounting for exports and rising domestic use - is now approaching prewar levels, suggesting Iraq could quickly boost its shipments if the recent reduction in violence holds and oil export facilities are improved with foreign investment....
Interesting.... Not once does the AP article site the US regulations as issues with Iraq failing to export oil....
How many more reports you want?
 
tarball

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ScubaDoo said:
Originally Posted by Tarball
Why continue? Where is the oil going in Iraq right now and who is getting the $. I thught we attacked them for oil according to you.
How are we dictating the price of thier oil. What facts do you have outside of your conspiracy theory?
Would you stop with the conspiracy theory remark. Your making yourself look desperate for remarks.
For the large majority, the oil isn't going anywhere. What kind of question is that??? Its sitting in the ground waiting for the distribution & sales contracts to be signed. & the Iraq people are refusing the contracts. That's why the country is still riddled in poverty. Iraq can be a rich state, but its resources are being dictated to them by our influences.
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tarball

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Interesting.... Not once does the AP article site the US regulations as issues with Iraq failing to export oil....
How many more reports you want?
Looks to me you're prove my point.
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Tarball said:
Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
...I never said if we have a defence will be attacked. What i said is, if we use our Military in offensive matter. We make our self vulnerable to a defensive attack from the one we are attacking.
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Sorry, I missed the post where you said that. Can you tell us what post number it is (located at the top right of each post) so we can go back and re-read it?
I did find a post where you said
Originally Posted by tarball
There is a difference between spending money offensively vs spending defensively, get it?
You also blamed our military spending on us getting attacked to begin with
Originally Posted by tarball
If we as the people of our nation allow our government to spend more then the rest of the world combined in a aggressive nature. We will surely meet another attack.
its common sense.
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stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Tarball
This comment represents complete insanity.. Dude you need serious help.
does it, you've called American troops who drop bombs terrorists, earlier I argued with someone on this thread that failed to see a difference between us offering democracy and stalin imposing communism. Sheehan has trampled on her sons grave and lost her husband who would not follow her.
That comment is a highly restrained verbal lashing from someone who still cries when he sees a flag raised because what it represents has provided the opportunities that freed his family from oppression, freed the woman from hiding from rapists marauders pillaging their land, offered them hope, not hope of a governments help but of a government by the people for the people that give us the freedom to better ourselves.
That same government you call a terrorist organization. That same government you seek to undermine with your sniveling mantra unsubstantiated hate of someone simply because he has an (r) next to his name.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Tarball
Looks to me you're prove my point.
No...
Your point was Iraq wasn't exporting any oil and that we were price fixing the oil that they were exporting.
The articles I posted, from a very liberal source, show they are in fact exporting near pre-war levels and selling it to refineries in China and India...
 
tarball

tarball

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1journeyman said:
Originally Posted by Tarball
You also blamed our military spending on us getting attacked to begin with

You're twisting what I said, I said in a aggressive manner.
You people are completely out of context. You twist & drag, pull and misquote the things i say. It show how ridicules it is to have a conversation based on reality with you people. Desperate attacks from selfish minds..
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scubadoo

scubadoo

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Tarball said:
Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
If we as the people of our nation allow our government to spend more then the rest of the world combined in a aggressive nature. We will surely meet another attack.
its common sense.
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1journeyman

1journeyman

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Tarball said:
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
You're twisting what I said, I said in a aggressive manner.
You people are completely out of context. You twist & drag, pull and misquote the things i say. It show how ridicules it is to have a conversation based on reality with you people. Desperate attacks from selfish minds..
I quoted exactly what you said....
Now how about you address the oil export issue?
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scubadoo

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How do you differentiate between weapons used for offense vs defense? Aggressive? Wouldn'tt ANY military spending be viewed this way?
What about the two wars your supported...yet posted we should only protect our borders? Iraq 1 and Afghan has nothing to do with our borders.
 
scubadoo

scubadoo

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Tarball said:
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
You're twisting what I said, I said in a aggressive manner.
You people are completely out of context. You twist & drag, pull and misquote the things i say. It show how ridicules it is to have a conversation based on reality with you people. Desperate attacks from selfish minds..
Unfortunately, conspiracy theory is just that...theory.
It's your reality...not mine.
perhaps you should start a thread regarding your conspiracy theory or theories.
I beleive you've brought forward about 3 or 4 different theories...I lost count though.
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