Republicans aren't Americans?

oscardeuce

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/2745262
And on taxes, or the transfer of wealth from the winner to the losers, the rich should be taxed more IMO. Without having any type of safety net, the RISK of being an entrepreneur is increased. Small business does way more than large business, but if only the wealthy can be entrepreneurs then there is no upward mobility of the lower class. (no new lfs's for us
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So why tax those willing to take the risk and win? Why take the risk in the first place if you will be taxed down to the same ( or even lower) take home? Why spend the effort? Why work harder than the next guy? That's the downfall to communism, no one wants to work any harder as there is no reward at the end for exceptional effort or ability.
What you say makes no sense to me, you want to INCREASE the risk to the small business person by taxing them?
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by hlcroghan
http:///forum/post/2745356
my point being that he did not do those things. i am friends with people who have done stupid things or things that I did not agree with in the least. that doesn't mean that I need to be involved in those things. i have had friends who got dui's, addicted to crack, said racist things, and stole money. was i ever involved in them? NO. did i stay their friend in the end and give them a piece of my mind about how stupid i thought they were being? yup!
You are glossing over the fact Obama is friends with a man who in 2001 said he didn't regret the bombings and wished he had done more. Do you hang out with people who brag on their DUI's say crack is good, wished they had stole more money? You really can't see the difference?
 
sickboy

sickboy

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2745383
What you say makes no sense to me, you want to INCREASE the risk to the small business person by taxing them?
Where do you get this idea? I never said I wanted to increase small business tax, in fact I said the opposite.
And if there is no transfer of wealth, then you are helping to achieve Marx's prediction. He wrote in response to Keynsian policy and what he foresaw as happening. I don't want communism, I think that is a horrible idea, but Marx gets a bad rap because of what people have used his writing to do, while he does bring up some good points on potential downfalls of capitalism. As the wealth gap gets larger and larger the rich get richer because they can afford to buy investments that then make them even wealthier. This is part of the problem of CEO pay. When most middle class families need both parents working instead of just one.
 
sickboy

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You fail to see the "cops" however we have GAZILLIONS of pages of regulations rule, ect.
Which illustrates my point, the market self-regulates better than the market regulates.
I know there are a gazillion regulations, but they aren't enforced. Let's pick one....say anti-trust. Other than Microsoft, when was the last time there was and anti-trust lawsuit? And the SEC has become more of a lame duck than anything.
And you mention my profs being a bunch of lefties (or something to that effect): Dude, I live in Nebraska! There aren't a whole lot of Democrats in this state, period. I would probably classify most of my profs as neo-keynsians, but they definately didn't teach me these views, I argue with them ALL the time. They more or less laid the ground work with their worthless models and I have formed my own opinions through reading of economic papers, etc. And History of Economic Thought is probably the class I use the most in argument. Can't understand the future without understanding the past.
 
oscardeuce

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/2745462
Where do you get this idea? I never said I wanted to increase small business tax, in fact I said the opposite.
And if there is no transfer of wealth, then you are helping to achieve Marx's prediction. He wrote in response to Keynsian policy and what he foresaw as happening. I don't want communism, I think that is a horrible idea, but Marx gets a bad rap because of what people have used his writing to do, while he does bring up some good points on potential downfalls of capitalism. As the wealth gap gets larger and larger the rich get richer because they can afford to buy investments that then make them even wealthier. This is part of the problem of CEO pay. When most middle class families need both parents working instead of just one.
You said to tax the rich. That increases the risk of success. That makes one think twice about working harder for the same money.
That is why folks on welfare drive newer cars than I do. That is why folks on welfare have $100+ nail polish jobs, pagers, cell phones, big screen TV's. The safety net has morphed into a way of life.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/2745462
Where do you get this idea? I never said I wanted to increase small business tax, in fact I said the opposite.
And if there is no transfer of wealth, then you are helping to achieve Marx's prediction. He wrote in response to Keynsian policy and what he foresaw as happening. I don't want communism, I think that is a horrible idea, but Marx gets a bad rap because of what people have used his writing to do, while he does bring up some good points on potential downfalls of capitalism. As the wealth gap gets larger and larger the rich get richer because they can afford to buy investments that then make them even wealthier. This is part of the problem of CEO pay. When most middle class families need both parents working instead of just one.
Sure if you buy into the notion that the rich only get richer and the poor only get poorer. And the only way to increase your personal financial standing (if you are poor) is the government.
Take a step back and think about this for a second. The beauty of capitalism (in the american sense) is that me or you or fred down the road can go out produce something that people want and increase our personal wealth. What other form of economics provided this opportunity. Not Marxism, not feudalism, not socialism.
Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/2745476
I know there are a gazillion regulations, but they aren't enforced. Let's pick one....say anti-trust. Other than Microsoft, when was the last time there was and anti-trust lawsuit? And the SEC has become more of a lame duck than anything.
And you mention my profs being a bunch of lefties (or something to that effect): Dude, I live in Nebraska! There aren't a whole lot of Democrats in this state, period. I would probably classify most of my profs as neo-keynsians, but they definately didn't teach me these views, I argue with them ALL the time. They more or less laid the ground work with their worthless models and I have formed my own opinions through reading of economic papers, etc. And History of Economic Thought is probably the class I use the most in argument. Can't understand the future without understanding the past.
Name something besides microsoft that has merited legal anti-trust action...
And not lefties, if your professors hold to Keynsisan models. then they are lefties. Where do you think stuff like The New Deal and all this other government intervention concepts comes from that the dems tout as "new reforms."
 
sickboy

sickboy

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2745532
You said to tax the rich. That increases the risk of success. That makes one think twice about working harder for the same money.
That is why folks on welfare drive newer cars than I do. That is why folks on welfare have $100+ nail polish jobs, pagers, cell phones, big screen TV's. The safety net has morphed into a way of life.
Um...maybe you weren't paying attention, but in the 90's welfare was reformed and there is a limited number of years one can receive benefits over ones life....so it can not be a 'way of life.' And by tax the rich, I'm not talking about Doctors, Lawyer, etc. they aren't upper class, they are upper-middle class. Unfortunately, making a couple hundred thousand a year no longer makes you rich. Pulling in 10 mill a year, now that is rich. My dad is a doc that owns his clinic and 2 other businesses, but his profits get pumped back into the businesses....so no taxes and more jobs. (Oh, I should add, my dad and me disagree on most of this stuff, but he hasn't fired me yet) Its when you are getting so much money you don't know what to do with it that some should be transferred back.
So, I disagree with the increasing risk part, because by the time a business has started to make that much money, it is usually no longer privately held.
 
sickboy

sickboy

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2745613
Sure if you buy into the notion that the rich only get richer and the poor only get poorer. And the only way to increase your personal financial standing (if you are poor) is the government.
Take a step back and think about this for a second. The beauty of capitalism (in the american sense) is that me or you or fred down the road can go out produce something that people want and increase our personal wealth. What other form of economics provided this opportunity. Not Marxism, not feudalism, not socialism.
Yes, I do buy into the notion that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Do some research. Real wages have been stagnant for a long time for the lower classes, while the wealth gap increases.
I'm not arguing that marxism, feudalism, or socialism is what this country needs. Just because I have a different idea of how capitalism should run, does not mean I'm not in favor of Capitalism. That is a funny notion.
 
sickboy

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Originally Posted by TexasMetal
http:///forum/post/2745637
Off-topic, but Sickboy. I love your avatar. Favorite movie ever.
Yeah, I watched it last night for the first time in years and forgot how much I loved it, so I decided to change my avatar.
 
miaheatlvr

miaheatlvr

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Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/2745656
Yeah, I watched it last night for the first time in years and forgot how much I loved it, so I decided to change my avatar.
What movie is that may I ask? Just a guess. Is that Krull?
 
texasmetal

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Donnie Darko. And that's Frank, the creepy rabbit with the spooky voice... I wish he'd had more parts in the movie. Creeeeepy!
Oh, and the soundtrack... superb.
 
groupergenius

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Republicans are Americans.
Republicans want you to be the most you can be. Start a lemonade stand or a Wall Street lawfirm. Develop a product we can't live without or compete your product with one all ready in progress.
Republicans want to reward you for excelling in your particular field.
Democrats/Socialists want you to give your plans to some loser to make the Government millions on your hard work.
 
texasmetal

texasmetal

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Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2745690
Republicans are Americans.
Republicans want you to be the most you can be. Start a lemonade stand or a Wall Street lawfirm. Develop a product we can't live without or compete your product with one all ready in progress.
Republicans want to reward you for excelling in your particular field.
Democrats/Socialists want you to give your plans to some loser to make the Government millions on your hard work.
And according to that philosophy Republicans are narrow-minded bitter people who like to throw around unfounded accusations towards other Americans who fall into a non-Republican category.
This thread was pretty good until that. Might as well be racism.
 
groupergenius

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Originally Posted by TexasMetal
http:///forum/post/2745707
And according to that philosophy Republicans are narrow-minded bitter people who like to throw around unfounded accusations towards other Americans who fall into a non-Republican category.
This thread was pretty good until that. Might as well be racism.
Huh??
 
groupergenius

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Originally Posted by TexasMetal
http:///forum/post/2745707
And according to that philosophy Republicans are narrow-minded bitter people who like to throw around unfounded accusations towards other Americans who fall into a non-Republican category.
This thread was pretty good until that. Might as well be racism.
Wow, I am still taken aback by that unbelievably random response.

Racism???? Actually none of that response makes any sense to me.
Unless you mean it's us narrow minded hard working folks trying to better ours, and our families lives, not wanting to pay for lazy folks with extra taxes under an even more Socialistic government......BAM...Got me.
 
sickboy

sickboy

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Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2745690
Democrats/Socialists want you to give your plans to some loser to make the Government millions on your hard work.
Um...I don't think so. I know its convenient for some of you to say that democrats are socialist, but if you look at socialism in Europe and compare you will see this is not the case. Also, democrats want you to succeed too, we just have different ideas on how to achieve the same goal. And you obviously haven't read the economic debate we have been having....personally i think it has been quite productive.....and above unintelligent responses such as these.
 
texasmetal

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It's this "Let's blame the Democrats!" and "Let's blame the Republicans!" mentality that divides America, and Americans. Why is that so hard to understand?
The crap doesn't all flow one direction.
 
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