Russia Threatens Poland! (with nukes)

dogfaceman

Member
Originally Posted by EL GUAPO
http:///forum/post/2724237
So you would fight against a war lord of a small country in africa but not against the russian army ? Atrocities are atrocites weather its an african nation of an eastern block European country . What is Russias excuse for threatening Poland ? You choose to justify one group being led to slaughter while another group is a sacred cow . Who do you think supplies your east african warlords ? Do you think that AK-47's just fall from the heavens ?
Zimba
e manufactures weapons
they were threatining the united states, they said if we put "missile defense systems" there they would destroy them even if it took nukes. a missle defense system can launch ICBM's
 

el guapo

Active Member
Zimbawe is the first country that comes to mind when I think of soviet arms production .
Actually they are not even in a top ten slot but thats ok you get credit for trying . I supose thats where the RPG's come from too I suppose that Zimbawe is bank rolling these actions too ?
The communists have no part in any of it do they ?

I believe Poland is a free nation and has the choice to align themselves with an country they wish .
Last I knew of we were a free nation and did not need russia's permission to negotiate the placement of stratigic weapons systems . Especially when russia is one of the countries we are placing said instalation to defend against .
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by dogfaceman
http:///forum/post/2724131
yup I'm talking about the guy who took down the solar panels off the white house and the guy who was behind Iran-gate and the guy who funneled weapons into Afghanistan which supplied talabins with weapons which lead to Al Qaeda gaining power, this guy also was against finding the cure for cancer and many other diseases.
what a president


OMG! are you serious?
We would not have funneled weapons to afghanistan if RUSSIA (USSR) had not illegally invaded that country. Sound familiar.
Iran-gate? Never heard of it...
Reagan against a cure for cancer....please do prove this.
As for Reagan and the solar panels for the water heater the entire operation was removed due to leaks in the roof that needed repaired. They were never put back on. The unit was later donated to a college by Bush 1. Clinton (who I am sure you think was a presidential messiah) never did jack during his 8 years, and in 2002 the current president (who you think is the worst president ever) put solar back at the white house in 2002. And he has added 167 panels to power the white house and expanded to just more than heating water.
 

el guapo

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2724255
Iran-gate? Never heard of it...
I believe he is pointing out a referance to the Iran contra affair.
Which was an action that took place with out the presidents aproval . It was a deal which involved Israel providing arms to groups of Iranians that were opposed to the Ayatollah's regieme . Part of the deal was that this group would do what they could to help free american hostages held by Hezbola. Some of the funds were diverted to the Contras and the fighting going on in central America .
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by EL GUAPO
http:///forum/post/2724262
I believe he is pointing out a referance to the Iran contra affair.
Which was an action that took place with out the presidents aproval . It was a deal which involved Israel providing arms to groups of Iranians that were opposed to the Ayatollah's regieme . Part of the deal was that this group would do what they could to help free american hostages held by Hezbola. Some of the funds were diverted to the Contras and the fighting going on in central America .

That was the Iran contra affair, he said Iran-gate....he also said a lot of other strange stuff. I thought it might be the same thing, but I just wanted to be clear....lol
 

el guapo

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2724265
That was the Iran contra affair, he said Iran-gate....he also said a lot of other strange stuff. I thought it might be the same thing, but I just wanted to be clear....lol
Some people end up pulling stuff out of the wrong places when trying to make points . sometimes people just get in over theirheads (like our friend here) and don't have a firm grasp about what they are talking about .
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by dogfaceman
http:///forum/post/2724221
what tyrant is in The Russian Federation? The Russian Federation is a republic, they have elections, although its not a true democracy its for sure not a state ruled by a tyrant. I would gladly go fight to help the people who are being slaughtered as a genocide in Africa but i wouldn't fight against a nation that has done nothing wrong accept protect its citizens, like The Russian Federation has done when its town of South Ossetia was invaded by Georgian soldiers, Russia wants to cripple georgia so they cant pull this again, and all other nations will get the point.
Oh ya... they have elections all right.
Putin made an office for himself, then appointed his puppet successor. No one, and i mean no one, believes that last round were free and open elections in Russia. Further, did you notice who was doing all of the speaking for the first 72 hours while Russian tanks invaded Georgia? It's very clear who is still the power in Russia, and it ain't the "freely elected" President...
South Ossetia is part of Georgia. I don't care how many "Russians" live there.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Let's give an example.
I live in new mexico. Let's say part of new mexico wants to break away from the U.S. . We have riots and unrest in the area. The national guard is called in to calm things down and stop the violence. Then, just because there are mexican citizens in this state you would be Ok with Mexico invading and attacking new mexico. And deciding to Texas as well. see the problem?
It isn't mexico's problem or right to invade in the first place...Just like Russia doesn't have the same right.
 

el guapo

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2724281
Let's give an example.
I live in new mexico. Let's say part of new mexico wants to break away from the U.S. . We have riots and unrest in the area. The national guard is called in to calm things down and stop the violence. Then, just because there are mexican citizens in this state you would be Ok with Mexico invading and attacking new mexico. And deciding to Texas as well. see the problem?
It isn't mexico's problem or right to invade in the first place...Just like Russia doesn't have the same right.

what does this have to do with solar panels ?
Just messing with you .
 

dogfaceman

Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2724281
Let's give an example.
I live in new mexico. Let's say part of new mexico wants to break away from the U.S. . We have riots and unrest in the area. The national guard is called in to calm things down and stop the violence. Then, just because there are mexican citizens in this state you would be Ok with Mexico invading and attacking new mexico. And deciding to Texas as well. see the problem?
It isn't mexico's problem or right to invade in the first place...Just like Russia doesn't have the same right.
give them Texas? not a bad idea, the nations DUI's will be cut in half. and to be honest Mexico used to own Texas so....... the united states took it kind of like The Russian Federation took the South Ossetia. South Ossetia didn't want to be part of how Georgia ruled them, Georgia wanted to rule South Ossetia as a secondary province, they wouldn't be allowed to vote, they couldn't own land, and many other things. And they didn't like it so they broke off. they were accepted by The Russian Federation, than Georgia wants to rule South Ossetia again so they start firing mortar rounds into cities, and The Russian Federation comes down to protect their citizens, The USA is messed up big time they get pissed when a nation protects its citizens when they are being invaded and killed, even when Israel attacked Hezbollah that was stationed in Lebanon and took 2 soldiers captive the USA said they shouldn't have done anything when their cities are having RPG's launched into their cities, imagine if Wisconsin was having missiles launched into it, do you really think the USA would do nothing, even 9/11 when we were attacked by Osama Bin Ladin, Bush decides to make up some story about weapons of mass destruction so he could attack Iraq, but when Israel knows that Iran is building nukes(establishing technology for nuclear projects, but they refuse to let the UN see any of it) and Israel gives Iran 30 days(by the way 19 more days left i believe), Bush says thats unexceptable, Bush is the biggest hypocrite in the world,
Why Does Bush get mad when countries protect themselves?
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by dogfaceman
http:///forum/post/2724477
give them Texas? not a bad idea, the nations DUI's will be cut in half. and to be honest Mexico used to own Texas so....... the united states took it kind of like The Russian Federation took the South Ossetia. South Ossetia didn't want to be part of how Georgia ruled them, Georgia wanted to rule South Ossetia as a secondary province, they wouldn't be allowed to vote, they couldn't own land, and many other things. And they didn't like it so they broke off. they were accepted by The Russian Federation, than Georgia wants to rule South Ossetia again so they start firing mortar rounds into cities, and The Russian Federation comes down to protect their citizens, The USA is messed up big time they get pissed when a nation protects its citizens when they are being invaded and killed, even when Israel attacked Hezbollah that was stationed in Lebanon and took 2 soldiers captive the USA said they shouldn't have done anything when their cities are having RPG's launched into their cities, imagine if Wisconsin was having missiles launched into it, do you really think the USA would do nothing, even 9/11 when we were attacked by Osama Bin Ladin, Bush decides to make up some story about weapons of mass destruction so he could attack Iraq, but when Israel knows that Iran is building nukes(establishing technology for nuclear projects, but they refuse to let the UN see any of it) and Israel gives Iran 30 days(by the way 19 more days left i believe), Bush says thats unexceptable, Bush is the biggest hypocrite in the world,
Why Does Bush get mad when countries protect themselves?
You have to be the most ill informed person I have ever met.
You do realized Russia just isn't in South Ossetia. Right now their army and tanks are parked 5 miles from the Georgia capital. They have invaded Georgia........
 

moprint

Member
Russia invaded Georgia it's that simple. When their tanks and troops are in another country uninvited that is an invasion. Dogface you very uninformed about the facts here.
 

dogfaceman

Member
Originally Posted by moprint
http:///forum/post/2724494
Russia invaded Georgia it's that simple. When their tanks and troops are in another country uninvited that is an invasion. Dogface you very uninformed about the facts here.
yup i knew that, like i said earlier The Russia Federation wants to cripple Georgia for invading south Ossetia, say we have 2 lands USA and Canada, Canada invades Alaska because they say they used to own it and Canada starts shooting morters into alasken cities, than the USA says you cant attack our citizens so they go in and push back the canadian army and then they want to punish canada for attacking them so they keep on going into canada so they cant pull this stunt again. and for The Russia Federation they can do whatever they please with georgia because The Russia Federation was attacked, and the USA better stop messing with poland or the USA is going to get poland destroyed and europe cut off from a large sum of OIL and Natural Gas.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
And dogfaceman, can you prove this statement "Georgia wanted to rule South Ossetia as a secondary province, they wouldn't be allowed to vote, they couldn't own land, and many other things." with a credible news story, not a blog, but news story, because this is the first I have heard of it.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by dogfaceman
http:///forum/post/2724502
yup i knew that, like i said earlier The Russia Federation wants to cripple Georgia for invading south Ossetia,
South Ossetia is Georgia land.......
....How can you invade yourself?
Nevermind, you just don't get it....
 

dogfaceman

Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2724507
South Ossetia is Georgia land.......
....How can you invade yourself?
Nevermind, you just don't get it....
once south ossetia broke off it became The Russia Federation's land so then georgia sends military into it
 

dogfaceman

Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2724505
And dogfaceman, can you prove this statement "Georgia wanted to rule South Ossetia as a secondary province, they wouldn't be allowed to vote, they couldn't own land, and many other things." with a credible news story, not a blog, but news story, because this is the first I have heard of it.
i will get the story
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by dogfaceman
http:///forum/post/2724513
once south ossetia broke off it became The Russia Federation's land so then georgia sends military into it

Wrong, see previous story post and here is other information regarding it.
The United Nations, European Union, Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), Council of the European Union, North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and all other countries in the world recognize South Ossetia as part of Georgia. However, the de facto independent republic governed by the secessionist government held a second independence referendum on November 12, 2006, after its first referendum in 1992 was not recognized by the international community as valid. According to the Tskhinvali election authorities, the referendum turned out a majority for independence from Georgia where 99% of South Ossetian voters supported independence and the turnout for the vote was 95%[9] and the referendum was monitored by a team of 34 international observers from Germany, Austria, Poland, Sweden and other countries at 78 polling stations. However, it was not recognized internationally by the UN, European Union, OSCE, NATO and the Russian Federation, given the lack of ethnic Georgian participation and the legality of such referendum without recognition from the central government in Tbilisi. The European Union, OSCE and NATO condemned the referendum. Parallel to the secessionist held referendum and elections, the Ossetian opposition movement (The Salvation Union of South Ossetia) to Kokoity, organized their own elections in which both Georgian and some Ossetian inhabitants of the region voted in favour of Dmitri Sanakoev as the alternative President of South Ossetia. The alternative elections of Sanakoev claimed full support of the ethnic Georgian population. In 2007, Dmitri Sanakoev became the head of the Provisional Administration of South Ossetia.
On July 13, 2007, Georgia set up a state commission, chaired by the Prime Minister Zurab Noghaideli, to develop South Ossetia's autonomous status within the Georgian state. According to the Georgian officials, the status will be elaborated within the framework of "an all-inclusive dialogue" with all the forces and communities within the Ossetian society.
On August 8, 2008, on the same day as the 2008 Olympic Games officially commenced, hostilities began between Georgian forces and South Ossetia's separatist forces. The Russian Foreign Minister has stated that over 1500 civilians and 15 Russian peacekeepers have been killed since hostilities began.
at no time has Russia ever claimed the region since the separation movement
again, you are wrong.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by dogfaceman
http:///forum/post/2724513
once south ossetia broke off it became The Russia Federation's land so then georgia sends military into it
So if New Mexico decided they were going to become part of Mexico we as a country wouldn't have the right to stop them? And who's to say these areas become part of the USSR just because they broke away from Georgia, I don't think I've seen anything about them asking to become part of the USSR.
*USSR Unfortunatly Still Soviet Russia
 
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