Rylan and Obama supporters please defend this stance for me.

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2723451
aren't those already outlawed?
I'm not really sure currently, when obama was voting against the bans in his recent stint in the state leg. it wasn't. This was within the last 8 years.
 
cranberry

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Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2723012
Well, that's interestingly morbid. Surely as a Senator he has seen far more graphic evidence than I have...and he still stands up for and defends this? God help us if he becomes president.
I don't mean this as an attack, just adding an angle to your post.
Out of curiosity, when do you feel the soul is given to the child?
At conception?
During gestation?
At birth?
Is it easier to let it die if we tell ourselves the child has no soul?
As a Christian it would seem that Senator Obama would be asking himself the same question.
K, I didn't mean that literaly actually. I'm a medical thinking gal, not a religious motivated thinker. I just meant that if it comes out and looks like a baby or is perceived as a baby... than it is to those parents. But that doesn't mean it's viable medically.
If the bill is saying we should do a full workup on any baby that survives an abortion... no matter what the gestation.... I would say that bill was a big colossal FAIL!
If we are talking an induced abortion for a viable gestation and they survive the procedure... yes, the baby should be worked upon. BUT, you have to remember these procedures are often done in a clinic, not necessarily a hospital. You are not going to have what you need to resusitate most of the babies in a clinic... not even close.
 
squidward

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2723454

You mean rapid economic growth, the liberation of millions of people in tyranny, terrorist countries abandoning there nuclear programs, lower taxes, record government revenues, record humanitarian aid to places like africa, and constitutionalist judges appointed to the bench?

works for me.
Shows how brainwashed you are. People losing jobs everday, losing their homes, etc. Sending our troops in an unnecessary ridiculous war killing thousands of them and hundreds of thousands of innocent iraqi civilians, spending billions in record deficits(War profiting for haliburton, black water, and defense no-bid contracts). Record profits for big oil, record high gas prices, among numerous crap that has happened under the anti-christ.... You must be enjoying life huh.
 
coraljunkie

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Originally Posted by Squidward
http:///forum/post/2723470
Shows how brainwashed you are. People losing jobs everday, losing their homes, etc. Sending our troops in an unnecessary ridiculous war killing thousands of them and hundreds of thousands of innocent iraqi civilians, spending billions in record deficits(War profiting for haliburton, black water, and defense no-bid contracts). Record profits for big oil, record high gas prices, among numerous crap that has happened under the anti-christ.... You must be enjoying life huh.
Unemployment rate has slowed and actually improved but you don't hear about that with our liberal media. As far as the war is concerned I have spoken to soldiers who have benn there and they support what we are doing. They paint a different picture of what is happening there then what our liberal media paints. They only want to focus on the bad things when there is far more actually going on there for the better. I for one am glad we went there to disrupt this terrorist cell. When is the last time you have heard of some major terrorist attack going on in the world in the last eight years. As far as people losing their homes the

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industry has none else to blame but themselves for that. They are the ones who engineered all these crazy loans to people who should have never been able to quailify for a home loan. Now they are crying for help to bail them out of something that they are responsible for. Stop watching the liberal news media and do a little research for yourself.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Squidward
http:///forum/post/2723470
Shows how brainwashed you are. People losing jobs everday, losing their homes, etc. Sending our troops in an unnecessary ridiculous war killing thousands of them and hundreds of thousands of innocent iraqi civilians, spending billions in record deficits(War profiting for haliburton, black water, and defense no-bid contracts). Record profits for big oil, record high gas prices, among numerous crap that has happened under the anti-christ.... You must be enjoying life huh.
Do me a favor, since I have little interest in repeating myself again, go back and read my posts from previous political threads. Because this drivel is laughable. Let me ask you this while you go back and read these already discussed topics.
What is wrong with American Corporations making a profit?
What are hundreds of thousands of "innocent" people doing in a war zone?
What is wrong with profit in general?
Compare our current employment rates against any European or socialist country, and tell me how "bad" it is.
Then compare home ownership in the USA vs foreign countries.
It is clear that you are a leftist by your willingness to regurgitate their baseless talking points.
Then do me one last favor, go do humanitarian work in a foreign country. Look at those people, see true poverty. Then after that come back, and let me know if you still think the USA still sucks.
 
hlcroghan

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Squidward, although that is a little bit of an extreme way of looking at it. I can't say that I don't agree with you. I was in the Marine Corps during 9/11 and I agreed with protecting our country and upping our security measures, but there is no reason at all for thousands of our troops to still be in the middle east. It's ridiculous and expensive. If Obama turns out to be horrible as a president and all he does is end us going to war and brings our troops home, to me it would be worth it. If that is ALL he does in 4 years I would vote for him in a heartbeat.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by hlcroghan
http:///forum/post/2723492
Squidward, although that is a little bit of an extreme way of looking at it. I can't say that I don't agree with you. I was in the Marine Corps during 9/11 and I agreed with protecting our country and upping our security measures, but there is no reason at all for thousands of our troops to still be in the middle east. It's ridiculous and expensive. If Obama turns out to be horrible as a president and all he does is end us going to war and brings our troops home, to me it would be worth it. If that is ALL he does in 4 years I would vote for him in a heartbeat.
Don't fool yourself, both of those candidates would leave them there if it means pulling them out and losing. And pull them out if it was victoriously.
 
squidward

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2723488
What is wrong with American Corporations making a profit?
Seeing big oil ---- you at the fuel pump doesn't piss you off I see.
What are hundreds of thousands of "innocent" people doing in a war zone?
You mean why invade a country that wasn't even a threat to the USA, also had nothing to do with 9/11.
What is wrong with profit in general?
War profiteering is illegal.
Compare our current employment rates against any European or socialist country, and tell me how "bad" it is.
Why are you comparing? I'm talking about how bad it has gotten here. Why put us down to their level?
Then compare home ownership in the USA vs foreign countries.
It is clear that you are a leftist by your willingness to regurgitate their baseless talking points.
It is clear that you're brainwashed and will say anything to defend your noecons.
Then do me one last favor, go do humanitarian work in a foreign country. Look at those people, see true poverty. Then after that come back, and let me know if you still think the USA still sucks.
Again, no one's comparing countries, just you. You just got to face the fact that we're in a recession no matter what your media tries to say that we're not.
 
cranberry

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Come on!!! Let's keep to the alleged baby killing topic! Otherwise it will be just like all the other political threads that I have no business being in.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by hlcroghan
http:///forum/post/2723499
What victory? This is not our war in the first place to win.
You know the goals we had when we went back in? To remove Sadaam set up a new govt and make sure the govt could protect itself. The same thing bush has been saying for years.
do you not remember our abrams running toward Bagdad, and Sadaam going please stop, and them signing a cease fire as long as Iraq met various conditions. Which he defied? Since he violated the cease fire agreement we started firing again?
 
hlcroghan

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Again agree. I don't care if Europe is paying 9 dollars a gallon. That is there. I care that not more than 5 years ago we were paying 1.50 or less and now it is the 4 dollar range. Quite a markup. We need to worry more about our country and less about other ones. I am all for helping if natural disasters occur. There is no reason for us to be there anymore period. And believe it or not, they do not want us there either. They want to govern themselves without our assistance now. They are a Muslim country (ies) and we are Christian. That is quite a conflict.
 
squidward

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Originally Posted by CoralJunkie
http:///forum/post/2723487
I for one am glad we went there to disrupt this terrorist cell. When is the last time you have heard of some major terrorist attack going on in the world in the last eight years.
Wasn't suddam an enemy of al quaida? Hasn't Afganistan gotten worse with the majority of the operations/troops being in Iraq? So tell me, is this war really worth all the lives lost among numerous troops who've lost limbs, eyes, etc.? It's an endless war that keeps on pouring in the cash to big defense contractors,etc. No wonder why McWar wanted the war to keep going on...
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Squidward
http:///forum/post/2723470
Shows how brainwashed you are. People losing jobs everday, losing their homes, etc. Sending our troops in an unnecessary ridiculous war killing thousands of them and hundreds of thousands of innocent iraqi civilians, spending billions in record deficits(War profiting for haliburton, black water, and defense no-bid contracts). Record profits for big oil, record high gas prices, among numerous crap that has happened under the anti-christ.... You must be enjoying life huh.
You are insinuating that we have it bad...
Originally Posted by Squidward
http:///forum/post/2723503
Again, no one's comparing countries, just you. You just got to face the fact that we're in a recession no matter what your media tries to say that we're not.
I'm simply pointing out, you supposed "suffering" isn't really suffering at all.
You are using useless unmeasurable platitudes.
I could say accurately, people are buying homes and getting new jobs every day. I could even go as far as to say 95% of people are making their house payments on time... Darn life is sooo bad in america... And 94% of americans who want a job have a job...
A recession is a term placed on our economy based on actual numbers not ones opinion, you may whine and moan about how hard it is, (even when you don't know what hard it) but unless the read GDP contracts, then you have no recession
 
hlcroghan

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Cranberry you are quite correct. This is obviously a popular subject...lol
To give my answer one last time. I agreed with defending ourselves. Sadaam is out of power. The government there is set in place. They are succeeding. We are DONE with what we went there for. We DO NOT belong there any more.
And guess what?? To give some insider information that NO ONE on this site is privy to. I knew the Marine that was in the squad that killed Osama Bin Laden. Yup, he is dead. And guess when that happened? 2002. I spoke to him personally. Now do you believe that we should still be there? Bush is a liar and anyone could do a better, more ethical job. No matter how many babies die because they are not considered viable, it will never compare to the loss of life of our troops that are involved in a war created to make money for the government.
Please don't tell me this is conspiracy theory either. I know it to be a fact.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Squidward
http:///forum/post/2723514
Wasn't suddam an enemy of al quaida? Hasn't Afganistan gotten worse with the majority of the operations/troops being in Iraq? So tell me, is this war really worth all the lives lost among numerous troops who've lost limbs, eyes, etc.? It's an endless war that keeps on pouring in the cash to big defense contractors,etc. No wonder why McWar wanted the war to keep going on...
Either way it is a mute point, the last major faction fighting in Iraq basically surrendered last month, and the us is constructing a victorious withdraw as we speak.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by hlcroghan
http:///forum/post/2723529
Cranberry you are quite correct. This is obviously a popular subject...lol
To give my answer one last time. I agreed with defending ourselves. Sadaam is out of power. The government there is set in place. They are succeeding. We are DONE with what we went there for. We DO NOT belong there any more.
And guess what?? To give some insider information that NO ONE on this site is privy to. I knew the Marine that was in the squad that killed Osama Bin Laden. Yup, he is dead. And guess when that happened? 2002. I spoke to him personally. Now do you believe that we should still be there? Bush is a liar and anyone could do a better, more ethical job. No matter how many babies die because they are not considered viable, it will never compare to the loss of life of our troops that are involved in a war created to make money for the government.
Please don't tell me this is conspiracy theory either. I know it to be a fact.
Don't get me wrong I'd be happy if this were the case, but come on. Maybe the spies watching US citizens will notice this and take us all away in black helecopters...
 
hlcroghan

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I know it to be a fact, Roll your eyes all you want. I was in the Marine Corps when this happened. All of us knew he was lying. I knew the Marines in the infantry unit personally that were involved. The were stationed on Camp Pendleton. Period. He is and has been dead for YEARS now. And officially I am done talking about it. I will even give you my phone number if you want to talk about it because this probably isn't the place to argue.
 
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