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hatebreed

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Originally Posted by happyhourh
As for global warming...havent we been coming out of an ice age for 10,000 years :notsure:
Thank you! Global temperature changes have been part of the world for a long, long time. Whatever part we play in that is not really all as significant as most people believe. As far as people saying dumb stuff like "we need 50 more katrinas" and such.....do you honestly believe humans are the least important creature on this earth?
As far as people talking about out fossil fuel consumption....the majority of alternate fuels, like biodeisel or "vegideisel" as somebody called it, use fossil fuels to be produced. Enough so to be prohibitive as a fuel that can be taken seriously. Not to mention, yes, it's cheap now. About $1.50 cheaper AFTER the government tax inscentive to use it. How about if the other 99.7% of the people on earth started using it? Not only would the price be right back where we are, or higher, but we'd have to stop growing all food to produce enough veggies to use it and we'd use nearly as much fossil fuels as we use now producing it. We couldn't grow enough crop to power the US.
By the way, as long as you keep planning on powering your fish tank (and the rest of your house) with electricity, keep in mind how much fossil fuel you're using and the amount of pollution being produced with it. Everybody is big on talk, until it's time to go back to the 16th century.
I agree it's good to be concientious, but some people take it to a ludicrous extreme (in theory only of course) without considering what it would really mean to eliminate the human elment from the problems they are discussing.
If you power your house with electricity, unless you happen to own a windmill, and unless you don't use ANY synthetics, in clothing or anywhere else.....you have no right pointing at the "dumb people who use fossil fuels and pollute without any concern for nature".....because you are one of them.
For now, the world is dependant on fossil fuel, and will be until a VIABLE alternative is discovered. In the meanwhile, the difference between driving a moped and an SUV is a pretty small one in every regard but it's toll on your wallet.
 

hatebreed

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Originally Posted by Phixer
Gas in Japan is over $2.00 a litre, thats 8 bucks a gallon. Here in Coronado it is closely approaching 3 bucks a gallon. When it his 4 dollars Im finished driving gasoline and will go to a vegideisel. Thats my limit, 4 bucks a gallon and Im done playing this game. If more folks would do this it would send a strong message to "the man" and help the enviornment eventually.
It's already doing wonders to help the environment. See some select quotes I skimmed from the article below:
"Critics contend that Europe's path to a greener future is being paved by the rapid destruction of rain forests around the world, particularly in Indonesia and Malaysia. This destruction in turn is leading to the erosion of natural habitats for many endangered and unique animal species, such as Borneo's orangutan, Sumatra's rhinoceros, tigers, tapirs, gibbons and proboscis monkeys, which live in the forests of Southeast Asia."
"Experts working for the Ape Alliance and the Orangutan Foundation International interviewed by the British daily the Guardian say 5,000 apes die every year because of oil-palm deforestation. In addition, human rights groups based in the affected areas believe that hundreds of indigenous people have been tortured and maimed for their opposition to the expansion of the plantations into indigenous territory. Friends of the Earth charge that palm planters threaten even the Tanjung Putting national park in Kalimantan, an internationally renowned wildlife sanctuary in Borneo."
"Experts estimates that palm oil bio-diesel in a few years could account for 20 percent of Europe's automotive consumption and cause the destruction of some of the most valuable and pristine forests of the world."
"Thinking that bio-diesel, rather than conservation, can be the answer to the growing need of energy for transportation, is naïve," Patzek cautions. "The reality is that an increasing number of million of hectares of rain forest are being destroyed to feed automotive needs."
http://news.pacificnews.org/news/vie...66ac8f3621c63f
 

moby

Member
WOW!
We have run the whole gambit here from the plain silly(Chuck Norris, Jack Bauer) to the religious end of times stuff to the eco-guilt trip to the what the *#&-^%!* attitude.
I really think if you look at what everyone here has said in some strange way we are really saying the same thing, "CHANGE".
Change does occur, whether good or bad, change is constant. We tend to look at things in terms of a human life time. How do things change in my time here or our children's time here.
I went hiking with my daughters last year in the mountains of Arizona, 8500 foot elevation. Guess what I found? Fossils of ancient coral heads. Good example of change. Certainly much longer ago than you or I were around or for that matter before anyone walked this planet these mountain tops were the bottom of a shallow sea.
What will the fossil remains of the great barrier reef be found on? Some mountain top? A desert plain? And who or what caused it to disapear? When it is gone, will another some where else take its place? Will it even be the same types of coral reef? Will it matter if is not the same?
At one time the Sahara desert was a lush jungle and tropical ferns grew in Antartica.
Change, we are all a part of it. Good and bad.
We are the stewards of this planet and it is part of our purpose to care for it responsibly.
But I think it is also our fate to be along for the ride nature provides like all her other tenants.
So really before you start lighting the doomsday fires, think about what our real impact is versus what impact the world has in its natural course of change.
Maybe I'm the eternal optimist, I think things always work out the way they should... has so far.
Moby
 
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