sand from an established tank

melypr1985

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Originally Posted by Rigdon87
http:///forum/post/3159319
I've never really heard that but my guess is when you move and take all your sand out you stir everything up and kill alot of beneficial bac.
.but if your gonna re-cycle your tank when its at its new location you wouldn't have anything to worry about.Thats kinda funny to buy all new sand because its still gonna have a spike when you get it in right?waste of money if you ask me
I would think that a good healthy RO rinse would help with that if your moving your tank. It would kill off just as much bacteria as just stirring it up, but would remove alot of the stirred up stuff.... did that make sence?
 

rigdon87

Member
Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3159320
This is a good thread.....maybe we can get some real informative responses on this subject too.....
you remember when gupp added all that new sand and it messed her tank up real bad?
 
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russwlw2004

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so if i get half a 5 gallon bucket full of his live sand no matter what, if it gets stired up and the good bacteria is lost, the 20-25lbs of live rock i will have will see that sand anyway.
Since there is no inhabitants, anything i put in the tank will have no negative effect to anything.
 

meowzer

Moderator
Originally Posted by Rigdon87
http:///forum/post/3159324
you remember when gupp added all that new sand and it messed her tank up real bad?
YEAH, and I have read a lot of problems regarding this....that is why I asked the OP how much.......IDK if it is worth the risk
what do you think??
 

rigdon87

Member
Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3159327
YEAH, and I have read a lot of problems regarding this....that is why I asked the OP how much.......IDK if it is worth the risk
what do you think??
I can't remember if she used ls or juss regular sand but i kno she added it too quickly thats why it happened.the way i look at it when you add lr and sand its like adding livestock you gotta do it slow.if you go adding 30lbs of uncured lr all at once your gonna have problems.I actually don't think your supposed to add ls to a established tank(never heard of anyone doing it or done any research on it).but since he's still gotta cycle it he will be fine...but like i said look it over real good and make sure it looks healthy
 
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russwlw2004

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well im going to let this thread play out untill tomorrow night to make my decision.
also thought that when i pick up the sand since this guy is moving, i might give the sand a rinse or two while im there with his water to get any bad stuff out that might be in it.
 

rigdon87

Member
Originally Posted by russwlw2004
http:///forum/post/3159326
so if i get half a 5 gallon bucket full of his live sand no matter what, if it gets stired up and the good bacteria is lost, the 20-25lbs of live rock i will have will see that sand anyway.
Since there is no inhabitants, anything i put in the tank will have no negative effect to anything.
you won't lose all of it,if you do it fairly quickly you should only have very little die off,if you rinse it, then do it in sw.if you go rinsing it in ro water then you will prolly lose it all
 

9supratt4

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This is why you don't want to use a lot of used sand...the detritus gets all kicked up and it ends up looking like this:

And that you don't want to put into a tank with livestock.
 
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russwlw2004

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well thats pretty convincing, maybe a few rinses with saltwater would help that?
the live sand the LFS's sell is priced high and i figure by keeping this thread going to get some answers others might be able to use this info.
 

9supratt4

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Yes....if you are planning on using used sand....I would definitely suggest cleaning it well in saltwater...and try to make the saltwater you use for cleaning the same as the existing water.
 
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russwlw2004

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Originally Posted by 9supratt4
http:///forum/post/3159347
Yes....if you are planning on using used sand....I would definitely suggest cleaning it well in saltwater...and try to make the saltwater you use for cleaning the same as the existing water.
if i do plan on using used sand, i will use the guys water from his tank to rinse the sand
 

9supratt4

Active Member
Just make sure to have extra as the sand is going to release a lot of detritus. For every 1/8 of sand in that bucket, it took stirring up in clean water and pouring out the water about 6-7 times each. And I cleaned mine in freshwater as it's now dead.
 

calbert0

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I follow the belief that adding sand from well established tanks is quite a good way to bring bio-diversity to your system. Just be absolutely sure that the system you are getting the sand from is well established, in good health, and doesnt have loads of detritus or any other obvious signs of distress.
For the first 2-3 months of owning my tank i would get a scoop (or a pound) here and there and add it to the system. I also just recently added another sump to my system with live sand from several different tanks.
As long as you dont leave the sand sitting in a bag or bucket for too long everything should be fine... Get it from his tank to your tank pronto, and disperse it evenly. (dont completely cover your existing sand bed)
And as far as moving my tank across the midwest a few months ago, I just drained the water to about .25'' over the sand bed in order to keep the bacteria alive. Did the same thing with my refugium DSB.
Ofcourse everthing was stirred up for a day or two, but my levels never got out of norm. No need for rinsing your sandbed in fresh saltwater and destroying (or removing) much of the life that you have worked to grow in your sandbed over the life of the tank
I also kept all of the live rock wet in 5 gallon buckets, and used about 10% old tank water and 90% newly mixed when i put everything back together.
 

xcali1985

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Originally Posted by calbert0
http:///forum/post/3159358
I follow the belief that adding sand from well established tanks is quite a good way to bring bio-diversity to your system. Just be absolutely sure that the system you are getting the sand from is well established, in good health, and doesnt have loads of detritus or any other obvious signs of distress.
For the first 2-3 months of owning my tank i would get a scoop (or a pound) here and there and add it to the system. I also just recently added another sump to my system with live sand from several different tanks.
As long as you dont leave the sand sitting in a bag or bucket for too long everything should be fine... Get it from his tank to your tank pronto, and disperse it evenly. (dont completely cover your existing sand bed)
And as far as moving my tank across the midwest a few months ago, I just drained the water to about .25'' over the sand bed in order to keep the bacteria alive. Did the same thing with my refugium DSB.
Ofcourse everthing was stirred up for a day or two, but my levels never got out of norm. No need for rinsing your sandbed in fresh saltwater and destroying (or removing) much of the life that you have worked to grow in your sandbed over the life of the tank
I also kept all of the live rock wet in 5 gallon buckets, and used about 10% old tank water and 90% newly mixed when i put everything back together.
I think a few bad experiences here and their can develop a phobia for things like this. I personally watched as the LFS came and transferred by 55 into a 80 and took the 55s sand out and used it for the fuge.
You can use it, i would say you should add all the sand first and rockwork, then use a plate to break the water when filling up the tank this will prevent the water from stirring up the sand and it will stay seated. Thats how they did mine. My tank was cloudy for about 10 minutes with only a sock filter to help.
Im sure that depending on how well the guy maintains his tank and the clean up crew he has you should be able to tell if it will be a good sand bed or not.
 

scopus tang

Active Member
Originally Posted by calbert0
http:///forum/post/3159358
I follow the belief that adding sand from well established tanks is quite a good way to bring bio-diversity to your system. Just be absolutely sure that the system you are getting the sand from is well established, in good health, and doesnt have loads of detritus or any other obvious signs of distress.
For the first 2-3 months of owning my tank i would get a scoop (or a pound) here and there and add it to the system. I also just recently added another sump to my system with live sand from several different tanks.
As long as you dont leave the sand sitting in a bag or bucket for too long everything should be fine... Get it from his tank to your tank pronto, and disperse it evenly. (dont completely cover your existing sand bed)
And as far as moving my tank across the midwest a few months ago, I just drained the water to about .25'' over the sand bed in order to keep the bacteria alive. Did the same thing with my refugium DSB.
Ofcourse everthing was stirred up for a day or two, but my levels never got out of norm. No need for rinsing your sandbed in fresh saltwater and destroying (or removing) much of the life that you have worked to grow in your sandbed over the life of the tank
I also kept all of the live rock wet in 5 gallon buckets, and used about 10% old tank water and 90% newly mixed when i put everything back together.
Absolutely! The whole point of "seeding" your sandbed is to add beneficial critters and bacteria to the system that you do not have, and will not get with "new live sand", unless you buy the really high end stuff (like what is sold on this site), and all you're doing when you buy the high end stuff is purchasing used sand out of somebody elses system. The bagged live sand you can purchase at your LFS has only bacteria in it, no other living creatures. Some critters will come with the LR, provided you get good quality LR, but not all.
The issue with Guppies tank was not the addition of sand, it was the volume and speed with which the sand was added, as well as the way she added it. Throughout the years I have exchanged sand with many different reefers to increase biodiversity and the genetic pool of organisms in my sandbed. As stated, don't allow it to sit, make the transfer immediately and don't completely cover the existing sandbed.
In your case OP, with dead sand on the bottom, I would aquire enough new sand to completely cover the dead if the seller will allow you that much and his tank looks healthy and is nice and clean. If not, any volume of good LS is enough to get you started with a new set-up. I would also add some sand out of your existing system as well. Replace the volume of sand you take out with an equal volume of dead sand - in the established tank, it will quickly become live. Just make sure to rinse the dead sand in saltwater (so it is wet and doesn't fly all over the tank) and spread it out over the sandbed (not more than 1/4" deep anywhere) and you will be fine.
 
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russwlw2004

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I feel as thought this thread will help other people in the future as we are getting some good input across the board.
being the OP, and with what you asked.
I should be able to get probably a good filled 5 gallon bucket or even half of it as the person im purchasing from is moving from michigan to florida and is selling everything.
his rock seems to be good from the pics he has up, so im excited to get some decent pieces for my new tank. for a 20tall im thinking about 20-25lbs at $1.50 a lb.
i will let everyone know tomorrow how the sand looked and if i decided to take any with me, than i will also do a quick build thread from the before what the FW tank look liked to what the SW tank looks like.
 
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russwlw2004

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welp got the tank set up.
I ended up having enough of my dead leftover sand that could fill the bottom of the tank.
I got to the guys house and got maybe a cup or a little less of his sand and put it ontop of the dead sand.
picked up about 30lbs of LR with some nice little gifts. Some green stripped mushrooms.
From what i read since the rock was right out of a 7 year old system i shouldnt expect ot much of a cycle.
 

scopus tang

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Originally Posted by russwlw2004
http:///forum/post/3162094
welp got the tank set up.
I ended up having enough of my dead leftover sand that could fill the bottom of the tank.
I got to the guys house and got maybe a cup or a little less of his sand and put it ontop of the dead sand.
picked up about 30lbs of LR with some nice little gifts. Some green stripped mushrooms.
From what i read since the rock was right out of a 7 year old system i shouldnt expect ot much of a cycle.
sounds like you are off to a good start. No, with good rock I woudn't expect much of a cycle, but I would stock it slowly to give your sandbed some time to become live.
 
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russwlw2004

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Originally Posted by Scopus Tang
http:///forum/post/3162125
sounds like you are off to a good start. No, with good rock I woudn't expect much of a cycle, but I would stock it slowly to give your sandbed some time to become live.
yea i dont think i was going to put to much in it anyway probably stick with 2 clowns. and i was going to wait probably towards the end of the week and cycle.
i put half a cube of mysis shrimp in the tank to see if i got a spike or anything. a day later or so no ammonia no nitrites and no nitrates.
 
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