Say What!?!?!?

bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by ironeagle2006 http:///t/392441/say-what#post_3484793
Bionic they have sent more than 30 Bills to the Senate including 2 Full Budgets that would have REFORMED Both Medicare and Social Security without Cutting Benefits for those already ON IT like Me and Harry Ried the Senate Majority LEADER a DEMOCRAT has REFUSED to LET ANY OF THEM COME TO A VOTE.
WOW! 30 WHOLE BILLS? ALL THAT IN TWO YEARS? Yea, did you see those "reforms"? Stick anyone whose 55 and under with some useless "voucher" that may or may not be worth the paper it's printed on by the time they reach retirement. Why should anyone currently be able to keep their benefits? They're not paying for them. WE ARE. Their money was used to pay the benfits for those retirees back in the 60's and 70's. I showed you the simple math where anyone whose currently on SS and Medicare have already spent what they put in if they've been withdrawaling from those programs for more than 8 years. By the time I retire, I'll have put in around $120,000 into my Medicre account. One heart attack, a liver or kidney problem, or something as curable as prostate cancer, and that money's spent, gone. After that, it's on whoever else is sticking money into Medicare that'll be paying my bills until I kick off. My family has a history of members living well into their mid to late 80's (my mother is 84, my aunt is 88, and my father's sister is 92). You don't think I'll eat up my SS or Medicare benfits if I live 20+ years after I retire? You think some voucher will pay for that? Are there hard-written policies in that bill that state that voucher will cover pre-existing conditions before I go looking for some health plan to use that voucher on? What if the voucher doesn't cover enough? Am I expected to deplete my entire savings to pay for health insurance after I spent over 40 years putting my hard-earned money into these retiremnet programs that you think existing individuals deserve to have?
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392441/say-what#post_3484738
WHO CARES? It's one reporter wannabe trying to diss yet another reporter wannabe. You make this sound like the next Watergate. Go back in history with the last four Presidents and find similar trivial nonsense that was stated by someone in the respective Administrations. They do it all the time. What's the number of staff members that work for Obama? A couple hundred? You expect the President to sit back and vet and read every single communicay that gets disbursed on a daily basis? Brother.
White house communications director is hardly a "reporter wannabe"
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392441/say-what#post_3484739
Yea, and let me go post the multiple Bushisms and statements Romney has recently made that were taken out of context and maded to look like some international conspiracy. Obama can't even sneeze the wrong way and people like you will criticize he didn't cover his mouth with his full hand.
This wasn't taken out of context. The whole dumb statement was shown.
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."
The entire paragraph in perfect context.
I don't have a business. I had some great teachers, I am part of the same American system. If you buy into 0bama's ideology we'd all have businesses.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392441/say-what/20#post_3484799
WOW! 30 WHOLE BILLS? ALL THAT IN TWO YEARS? Yea, did you see those "reforms"? Stick anyone whose 55 and under with some useless "voucher" that may or may not be worth the paper it's printed on by the time they reach retirement. Why should anyone currently be able to keep their benefits? They're not paying for them. WE ARE. Their money was used to pay the benfits for those retirees back in the 60's and 70's. I showed you the simple math where anyone whose currently on SS and Medicare have already spent what they put in if they've been withdrawaling from those programs for more than 8 years. By the time I retire, I'll have put in around $120,000 into my Medicre account. One heart attack, a liver or kidney problem, or something as curable as prostate cancer, and that money's spent, gone. After that, it's on whoever else is sticking money into Medicare that'll be paying my bills until I kick off. My family has a history of members living well into their mid to late 80's (my mother is 84, my aunt is 88, and my father's sister is 92). You don't think I'll eat up my SS or Medicare benfits if I live 20+ years after I retire? You think some voucher will pay for that? Are there hard-written policies in that bill that state that voucher will cover pre-existing conditions before I go looking for some health plan to use that voucher on? What if the voucher doesn't cover enough? Am I expected to deplete my entire savings to pay for health insurance after I spent over 40 years putting my hard-earned money into these retiremnet programs that you think existing individuals deserve to have?
What's the Democrat plan to fix Medicare and Social Security? Love em or hate em at least Republicans had guts enough to lay out a plan. All the Dems have done it cut 500 Billion from Medicare as part of 0bama care and hastened the bankruptcy of both programs with the 0bama payroll tax cut.
 
darthtang aw

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This wasn't taken out of context. The whole dumb statement was shown.
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges.  If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.  The Internet didn’t get invented on its own.  Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."
The entire paragraph in perfect context.
I don't have a business. I had some great teachers, I am part of the same American system. If you buy into 0bama's ideology we'd all have businesses.
no...i can see how that was taken out of context.
darth (crossing my eyes) Tang
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392441/say-what/20#post_3484809
This wasn't taken out of context. The whole dumb statement was shown.
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."
The entire paragraph in perfect context.
I don't have a business. I had some great teachers, I am part of the same American system. If you buy into 0bama's ideology we'd all have businesses.
Isn't that the definition of The American Dream? You have ironeagle touting all these success stories of people who started businesses "with no help". It's called motivational speaking. Telling people that they have no limits of what they can do to succeed, but know that there's always someone else that preceeded you that paved the way for you to pursue that dream. Want to rebuild a theater? Go for it. But guess what, you couldn't restore that old movie house if someone hadn't built the original one in the first place. Want to start a new pizza parlor? If you have some unique recipes that are different enough to compete with the chain stores like Dominos or Pizza Hut, give it a go. But you surely didn't invent that food product. Someone a few hundred years ago did. If you honestly think that any business can create itself or prosper without first being motivated by someone or some thing that happened in their life, or inspired by someone they revered, then you are just blinded by ignorance.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392441/say-what/20#post_3484811
What's the Democrat plan to fix Medicare and Social Security? Love em or hate em at least Republicans had guts enough to lay out a plan. All the Dems have done it cut 500 Billion from Medicare as part of 0bama care and hastened the bankruptcy of both programs with the 0bama payroll tax cut.
Try reading the ACA Law. There's stipulations and plans in that directive that discuss what will need to be done with Medicare. People on Medicare are actually SAVING right now because of that plan. The Feds want to give states assistance to manage Medicare on their own, and they don't want the money. Our moron Governor is refusing several billion in assistance for our Medicare programs, then at the same time, he wants to CUT the state funding of Medicare altogether. Your Great Conservative Republican Wannabe POTUS is screwing over thousands of Texas Medicare recipients because he doesn't want Federal handouts, yet he's push our state budget 180 billion into debt.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392441/say-what/20#post_3484839
no...i can see how that was taken out of context.
darth (crossing my eyes) Tang
Do yourself a favor, and go watch the video of Obama when he was making that speech. If you do, you will see when he made the statement, "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that", he was pointing back to a picture or scene behind him of roads and bridges. In the context of the speech, the word "that" implied the infrastructure, not the business itself. So all you did is read the WORDS of what he said, but didn't bother SEEING what he was doing when he said it. Must suck living with crossed-eyes. Hard to see the forest from the trees.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392441/say-what/20#post_3484847
Isn't that the definition of The American Dream? You have ironeagle touting all these success stories of people who started businesses "with no help". It's called motivational speaking. Telling people that they have no limits of what they can do to succeed, but know that there's always someone else that preceeded you that paved the way for you to pursue that dream. Want to rebuild a theater? Go for it. But guess what, you couldn't restore that old movie house if someone hadn't built the original one in the first place. Want to start a new pizza parlor? If you have some unique recipes that are different enough to compete with the chain stores like Dominos or Pizza Hut, give it a go. But you surely didn't invent that food product. Someone a few hundred years ago did. If you honestly think that any business can create itself or prosper without first being motivated by someone or some thing that happened in their life, or inspired by someone they revered, then you are just blinded by ignorance.
It shows 0bama's attitude and failed logic which is the government creates success. It does for politicians but that's about it. You had a speech that was hitting people over the head with "you didn't do this on your own" "You may be smart but there are lots of smart people out there" The more you read his words the more troubling they are. We used to celebrate people who had the initiative to become successful from the guy with the sandwich shop to Bill Gates. Now we see success being demonized.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392441/say-what/20#post_3484851
Do yourself a favor, and go watch the video of Obama when he was making that speech. If you do, you will see when he made the statement, "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that", he was pointing back to a picture or scene behind him of roads and bridges. In the context of the speech, the word "that" implied the infrastructure, not the business itself. So all you did is read the WORDS of what he said, but didn't bother SEEING what he was doing when he said it. Must suck living with crossed-eyes. Hard to see the forest from the trees.
Oh Really???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-ZO7XOpwa8
 
beth

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
Do yourself a favor, and go watch the video of Obama when he was making that speech. If you do, you will see when he made the statement, "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that", he was pointing back to a picture or scene behind him of roads and bridges. In the context of the speech, the word "that" implied the infrastructure, not the business itself. So all you did is read the WORDS of what he said, but didn't bother SEEING what he was doing when he said it. Must suck living with crossed-eyes. Hard to see the forest from the trees.
The only thing I see behind Obama in the speech is a fire station. He's not pointing to anything. LOL
I think he did mis-speak if you listen to the whole speech. His point is that business successes don't operate in a vacuum, but a lot of things go into the successes of businesses. He needed to say that If you have a business you didn't build that all on your own; that infrastructure, etc., etc. helped out. Instead, he says, "If you've got a business, you didn't build that." Which is an absurd thing to say.
No one lives in a vacuum that is obvious. The whole attitude in that segment of the speech is a put down to individual business people "I'm always struck by people who think well, I'm just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something, there are a whole bunch of hard working people out there". The whole tone of this is contemptuous. He states his point, "The point is, is that, when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together." That point could have been made in a positive way without saying that people who build a business are snobs who think their accomplishments are achieved solely on their own smarts and know-how and nothing else and that everyone else is beneath them.
Could it have just be mis-steps in wording. Maybe. If you listen carefully to the whole speech, there are places where Obama starts off making a point, but in mid-verbalization seems to take another direction.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/392441/say-what/20#post_3484888
The only thing I see behind Obama in the speech is a fire station. He's not pointing to anything. LOL
I think he did mis-speak if you listen to the whole speech. His point is that business successes don't operate in a vacuum, but a lot of things go into the successes of businesses. He needed to say that If you have a business you didn't build that all on your own; that infrastructure, etc., etc. helped out. Instead, he says, "If you've got a business, you didn't build that." Which is an absurd thing to say.
No one lives in a vacuum that is obvious. The whole attitude in that segment of the speech is a put down to individual business people "I'm always struck by people who think well, I'm just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something, there are a whole bunch of hard working people out there". The whole tone of this is contemptuous. He states his point, "The point is, is that, when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together." That point could have been made in a positive way without saying that people who build a business are snobs who think their accomplishments are achieved solely on their own smarts and know-how and nothing else and that everyone else is beneath them.
Could it have just be mis-steps in wording. Maybe. If you listen carefully to the whole speech, there are places where Obama starts off making a point, but in mid-verbalization seems to take another direction.
The overall tone of the speech was to build up government and diminish individual initiative. Seems to be the theme of his whole presidency
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392441/say-what/20#post_3484890
The overall tone of the speech was to build up government and diminish individual initiative. Seems to be the theme of his whole presidency
Brother. You're one of the people Jon Stewart was making fun of in the video. Oh yeah, Obama wants to turn us into a Socialit/Marxist regime where every aspect of your life is controlled, and you become an Obama Robot that he'll implant a chip in your brain to use to control every thing you do. It's the mentality of people like you that are destroying what this country used to be.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/392441/say-what/20#post_3484888
The only thing I see behind Obama in the speech is a fire station. He's not pointing to anything. LOL
I think he did mis-speak if you listen to the whole speech. His point is that business successes don't operate in a vacuum, but a lot of things go into the successes of businesses. He needed to say that If you have a business you didn't build that all on your own; that infrastructure, etc., etc. helped out. Instead, he says, "If you've got a business, you didn't build that." Which is an absurd thing to say.
No one lives in a vacuum that is obvious. The whole attitude in that segment of the speech is a put down to individual business people "I'm always struck by people who think well, I'm just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something, there are a whole bunch of hard working people out there". The whole tone of this is contemptuous. He states his point, "The point is, is that, when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together." That point could have been made in a positive way without saying that people who build a business are snobs who think their accomplishments are achieved solely on their own smarts and know-how and nothing else and that everyone else is beneath them.
Could it have just be mis-steps in wording. Maybe. If you listen carefully to the whole speech, there are places where Obama starts off making a point, but in mid-verbalization seems to take another direction.
The complete statement at that part of the speech was - "Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that." Where he mis-stepped is he should've used THOSE instead of THAT. One single word taken out of context, and people equate Obama to some Socialist whose ready to condemn you for being successful in your businesses and personal endeavors.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392441/say-what/20#post_3484910
The complete statement at that part of the speech was - "Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that." Where he mis-stepped is he should've used THOSE instead of THAT. One single word taken out of context, and people equate Obama to some Socialist whose ready to condemn you for being successful in your businesses and personal endeavors.
But READ his whole statement. All through it he downplayed the role of individual achievement.
Let's say he was talking about ice cream. Strawberry ice cream. All through his speech he's talking about how good strawberry ice cream is and suddenly he says "I don't like strawberry, Man it's hot. Some ice cream would go down good right now. But as I said I don't like strawberry ice cream, I love it!" If someone cherry picked his phrase "I don't like strawberry" that's obviously taken out of context.
Now do I think 0bama believes the individual has nothing to do with the success of their business? No. But I do believe he truly believes government plays a very large role in that success. Just look at his programs since taking office. It's all about government intervention and meddling. One thing he seems to forget is government creates nothing. Without successful businesses driving the tax base the government wouldn't have the money to pay for the infrastructure in the first place and without the private construction businesses they hire couldn't build said infrastructure.
 
sweat90lx

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Obama wants the government to continue to get bigger and bigger. Call it socialist, Marxism, or whatever you want to. He wants everyone and every business to "need" help from the government.
Word what he said however you want, I think we all got his point.
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