Say What!?!?!?

darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Blah, blah, blah.  And if Romney would've used the right words in Israel, or in London, or in several other speeches he's put his foot in his mouth...  If Bush would've used the correct words in a multitude of speeches he made, as well as Clinton, as well as Carter, as well as Bush 1, etc., etc.,etc.  It's been validated what he meant, and people still keep whining about it.
But we don't claim they are great speakers and highly intelligent....onlty Obama recieved those alcolades..........
 
sweat90lx

sweat90lx

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Ill bet his telepromter and writer have been replaced.
Bush was always good for a laugh, especially when it was obvious he had no idea what he was talking about.
 
kiefers

kiefers

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Originally Posted by sweat90lx http:///t/392441/say-what/60#post_3485670
Ill bet his telepromter and writer have been replaced.
Bush was always good for a laugh, especially when it was obvious he had no idea what he was talking about.
Bush is "human". Obama is Hollywood bitten and personally a fake.
I am worried a little regarding this debate with him and Rom. Two crappers in the wind.
Maybe Darth or someone can give me some politics for dummies on who and what to watch for.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392441/say-what/40#post_3485583
Yea he said it, so what? It was a statement in general. Just because you think you are smart, or you work hard developing your business, doesn't always equate to a successful business. I know a lot of smart people who thought they could start a business, tried it, and they failed miserably. I know people who worked as hard as they could to keep their business viable and profitable, but weren't able to do so becuase of a poor market strategy, or they simply didn't know what they were doing. Who knows what else Romney has said about government and businesses. He pretty much stated the same things you're railing Obama about, but want to ignore those. You're nitpicking to try and prove some point.
The whole tone of 0bama's speech was individual initiative isn't the major factor in success. That is absurd.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Kiefers http:///t/392441/say-what/60#post_3485671
Bush is "human". Obama is Hollywood bitten and personally a fake.
I am worried a little regarding this debate with him and Rom. Two crappers in the wind.
Maybe Darth or someone can give me some politics for dummies on who and what to watch for.
All I care about is Romney isn't 0bama. 0bama is too thick skulled to change his agenda which isn't working. Romney can't do it we dump him in for and let someone else take a shot. I am betting Romney's business experience is a hell of a lot better base to build off of than 0bama's community organizing or 2 months senate experience.
 
kiefers

kiefers

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392441/say-what/60#post_3485698
All I care about is Romney isn't 0bama. 0bama is too thick skulled to change his agenda which isn't working. Romney can't do it we dump him in for and let someone else take a shot. I am betting Romney's business experience is a hell of a lot better base to build off of than 0bama's community organizing or 2 months senate experience.
Senate experience doesn't mean diddly. Romney has no buisness experience in my opinion., just how to make cuts and spend less, so ship the jobs to Mexico or somwhere else.
I remember when I was little and my parents took me to Disney. On the back of the pins or T-shirts, it stated this product was made in america. Now, as with many other products, things are made in china, even our Olymians's uniforms were made in China.
I want a President that wants things made in America again. More jobs, more money into the community, and over all more American value and moral (JMO)
I believe capitalism to be a good thing but sometimes to much of a good thing leads to bad results.
Give me a canidate that has truely 100% american values and goals with out the bowl of crap.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Senate experience doesn't mean diddly. Romney has no buisness experience in my opinion., just how to make cuts and spend less, so ship the jobs to Mexico or somwhere else.
I remember when I was little and my parents took me to Disney. On the back of the pins or T-shirts, it stated this product was made in america. Now, as with many other products, things are made in china, even our Olymians's uniforms were made in China.
I want a President that wants things made in America again. More jobs, more money into the community, and over all more American value and moral (JMO)
I believe capitalism to be a good thing but sometimes to much of a good thing leads to bad results.
Give me a canidate that has truely 100% american values and goals with out the bowl of crap.
Define American values. Let's start there. As this is the problem now days. No one can define Those values. Everything is now a value.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Kiefers http:///t/392441/say-what/60#post_3485701
Senate experience doesn't mean diddly. Romney has no buisness experience in my opinion., just how to make cuts and spend less, so ship the jobs to Mexico or somwhere else.
I remember when I was little and my parents took me to Disney. On the back of the pins or T-shirts, it stated this product was made in america. Now, as with many other products, things are made in china, even our Olymians's uniforms were made in China.
I want a President that wants things made in America again. More jobs, more money into the community, and over all more American value and moral (JMO)
I believe capitalism to be a good thing but sometimes to much of a good thing leads to bad results.
Give me a canidate that has truely 100% american values and goals with out the bowl of crap.
Let me introduce you to a place I like to call reality. If shipping 200 10.00 an hour call center jobs to India makes 1200 higher paying jobs more secure you do it. You can't just wave a wand and bring manufacturing back. You have to address the reasons it left in the first place. Who better to address the problem than someone who has had to make those decisions in the business world? Romney isn't applying for a job to maximize profits, he's applying for one where his success will be based on expanding our economic activity in this country. It's gotta be a better bet than what we have running the show now.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392441/say-what/60#post_3485716
Let me introduce you to a place I like to call reality. If shipping 200 10.00 an hour call center jobs to India makes 1200 higher paying jobs more secure you do it. You can't just wave a wand and bring manufacturing back. You have to address the reasons it left in the first place. Who better to address the problem than someone who has had to make those decisions in the business world? Romney isn't applying for a job to maximize profits, he's applying for one where his success will be based on expanding our economic activity in this country. It's gotta be a better bet than what we have running the show now.
As long as you have a divided House and Senate, it won't matter who you stick in the White House. You could've had McCain in that office the last four years, and nothing would be different. Instead of having some form of an attempt to do something about this massive problem with this country's healthcare system, you'd have the status quo with the same providers dictating the cost for the same services. Romney is more concerned about "Conservative values" and whether two people of the same sex can have a legal relationship than what to do about this economy. Based on his comments in Israel and Poland, who knows what he'll do to our foreign policy.
Bringing back manufacturing to the USA requires corporations to make sacrifices (which they won't do), and workers accepting a viable pay with reasonable benefits (which they won't do). To compete with the China's and Mexico's on the manufacturing front, companies would have to pay minimum wage at the most, and provide limited or no health or other benefits. Americans can't survive in this country on a minimum wage salary. The US isn't structured to have a class of citizens living at the same poverty levels you see the manufacturting workers in China and Mexico do. I've seen the living environments of Mexico workers in these industries, and they're not much better than what you see a homeless person in the US living in on the street.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392441/say-what/60#post_3485735
As long as you have a divided House and Senate, it won't matter who you stick in the White House. You could've had McCain in that office the last four years, and nothing would be different. Instead of having some form of an attempt to do something about this massive problem with this country's healthcare system, you'd have the status quo with the same providers dictating the cost for the same services. Romney is more concerned about "Conservative values" and whether two people of the same sex can have a legal relationship than what to do about this economy. Based on his comments in Israel and Poland, who knows what he'll do to our foreign policy.
Bringing back manufacturing to the USA requires corporations to make sacrifices (which they won't do), and workers accepting a viable pay with reasonable benefits (which they won't do). To compete with the China's and Mexico's on the manufacturing front, companies would have to pay minimum wage at the most, and provide limited or no health or other benefits. Americans can't survive in this country on a minimum wage salary. The US isn't structured to have a class of citizens living at the same poverty levels you see the manufacturting workers in China and Mexico do. I've seen the living environments of Mexico workers in these industries, and they're not much better than what you see a homeless person in the US living in on the street.
McCain might have been willing to work with the Democrats. 0bama set a tone early on that made it clear he wasn't interested in working with the other side. We'll see if Romney can do any better.
As far as manufacturing medium to large product would be easier to bring back than the small stuff. We need sensible regulations an fair tax rats.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392441/say-what/60#post_3485747
McCain might have been willing to work with the Democrats. 0bama set a tone early on that made it clear he wasn't interested in working with the other side. We'll see if Romney can do any better.
As far as manufacturing medium to large product would be easier to bring back than the small stuff. We need sensible regulations an fair tax rats.
Bonehead and Co. in the House were never willing to work with Obama. It's their way or the highway. They admitted in 2010 after the Republicans took control of the House that their sole mission in life was to make Obama a "one term President". Romney already said his first mission in life was to repeal Obamacare. Unless the Republicans/TPer's can overtake the Senate, that will never happen. Half the Republicans think Romney is a RINO, and don't trust him anymore than they do Obama.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Bonehead and Co. in the House were never willing to work with Obama.  It's their way or the highway.  They admitted in 2010 after the Republicans took control of the House that their sole mission in life was to make Obama a "one term President".  Romney already said his first mission in life was to repeal Obamacare.  Unless the Republicans/TPer's can overtake the Senate, that will never happen.  Half the Republicans think Romney is a RINO, and don't trust him anymore than they do Obama. 
Has Obama compromised on one piece of legislation? Clinton and Reagan both had hostile congresses, yet still managed to find compromises....It isn't the congress...it is the in ability to lead by our President.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392441/say-what/60#post_3485753
Bonehead and Co. in the House were never willing to work with Obama. It's their way or the highway. They admitted in 2010 after the Republicans took control of the House that their sole mission in life was to make Obama a "one term President". Romney already said his first mission in life was to repeal Obamacare. Unless the Republicans/TPer's can overtake the Senate, that will never happen. Half the Republicans think Romney is a RINO, and don't trust him anymore than they do Obama.
You mean after 0bama's announcement "elections have consequences" And "The Republicans have to ride on the back of the bus" and the way Pelosi rammed 0bama care through you have the audacity to take a shot of Bohnner? Talk about bonehead
 
sweat90lx

sweat90lx

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I dont think Romney is much different than 0bama by looking at what he has done in Mass.
IMO, The only candidate that will attempt to do what is right for the country is Ron Paul and a lot of people think he is crazy because of his foreign policy ideas.
There are a lot of very successful companies and corporations in the US. The corporation I work for has had 10 consecutive quarters of year over year earnings growth.
There are many that should be let to fail and have no government intervention, that only puts the burden on tax payers.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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I'd like to see Paul Ryan run at some point. He's got guts enough to not just talk about what's really wrong, he's willing to offer real world solutions. The left attacked his medicare idea but the system is nearing failure, where's their solution?
 
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