Score! Getting 4 free seahorses. need help

crabbychris

Member
OK I met a guy at the lfs who wants to get out of the saltwater hobby and just give me his 4 seahorses. I am picking them up in less than 12 hours and I have no idea what to do with them. They can't go in my 90 reef tank because i have more aggressive fish and an eel in there. I only have a 12 gallon eclipse tank at the moment but it isn't cycled. What should I do? I read that they eat mysis and brine shrimp and that water temp should be 72-74F. is there anything else i need to know? he said if i didn't take them he was gonna flush em so i kinda got no choice being an animal lover and all. Any help is appreciated.
 

reefnutpa

Member
You put yourself in a rather bad position, unfortunately. The 12 gal is not suitable at all for 4 seahorses. Even if you use it as a temperary holding tank, being uncycled the ammonia level will skyrocket quickly with the feeding of frozen mysis and the bio-load of 4 seahorses. You will be doing large water changes daily until you have an appropriate size cycled seahorse tank.
With that said, you will need to set up/cycle at least a 29 or 30 gal tank. If possible, I would purchase that today and add a sandbed and a few pieces of LR from your reef tank. At least that way you have some bacteria colonizing the tank from the start. As you know, it's not inexpensive to set up a new tank - sandbed, live rock, filtration, skimmer, etc. But, unfortunately, that is what you must do if you want to give these seahorses a fighting chance. They are very sensitive to ammonia and won't last long in uncycled tanks without large water changes.
Personally, I would check around locally to see if a fellow reefer could help you out by housing them in an appropriate tank until your tank is ready or perhaps they have a few pieces of cured live rock they could offer you to get the new tank up and running quickly. You'd still have a cycle, but being a 29 or 30 gal tank, it would be easier to maintain/keep the ammonia under control with water changes and the help of dilution, being more water volume.
As far as their care, I will assume they are either tank raised (net pen raised) or captive bred and not wild caught. They should be eating (or I hope they are) frozen mysis shrimp. They should be fed ideally twice a day, as seahorses have no stomachs to hold food. They eat and then partially digest what they eat as it passes through them. You are correct on temps - 72F-74F.
Best of luck!
Tom
 

dingus890

Member
Originally Posted by CRABBYCHRIS
http:///forum/post/2955939
he said if i didn't take them he was gonna flush em
Wow,you may want to question actually taking seahorses from someone who wants to flush them just because they are done with the hobby.

I would say if you have no choice take sand,water and LR from your 90 gallon reef tank for the 12 gallon tank.Maybe even some filter media from the 90 gallon filter.
They should be ok if this is only a holding tank until you setup a properly sized tank for them, but as ReefNutPA said maybe you want to forget the 12 gallon and get a 30 gallon and take sand,water and rock from the 90 gallon tank.
I also agree with ReefNutPA, "You put yourself in a rather bad position" as you need to research the care and needs of seahorses.It's never good to get seahorses on a whim.

But I hope all goes well.
 

teresaq

Active Member
If he's getting out of the hobby, why not just get the tank the horses where in.
What species are they
T
 
I'd buy a larger tank [ at least 30g maybe more],walmart and petsmart has the cheapest barebones glass tanks and use some of your live sand , some of your live rocks , get a filteration system that would be compatible for you to use some of your media in it....who knows , with enough established bacteria you might just cycle instantly ?.....but check for ammonia at least a couple times a day to be sure....what kind of horses?
 

naclh2o nut

Member
Crazy thought but, could you use the sump in any way as the holding bin until you have a tank set and cycled? Add a few baffles with large sponges and through on a light. I am new, so not sure about this maybe a few of the more experienced will chime in on this idea.
What ever you do - Goodluck, they are so neat.
 

pete159

Member
sounds like a real shi**y fish store you go to, and the owner should not even be in the business.
As to your cute question as to is there anything else you need to know.. well.. yes.. lots, which is why you should try and find someone else in your area that can take them.
 

crabbychris

Member
First off it was a customer at the lfs not an employee. Secondly he wont give away the tank because he wants to sell it (and by the way it is a 12 gal eclipse he has them in) but he said he can't find anyone who wants the seahorses. I have been asking around and I can't find anyone that has any way to house them. I think the guy is an idiot but I know that the horses will be better off with me than in the toilet. Right? The only other option I have is to put them in my dads 29 that has an ocellaris and 2 green chromis until I can set up a proper tank. Also a 12 gallon eclipse tank is just as tall as a standard 29 gal. I'm only taking them because the guy said he is going to flush them. Am I wrong for that? I don't think so. obviously a few of you think that I am just being dumb for taking them. What would you do in my case? let him flush 'em?
Anyways he said he would keep them alive for a few more days until i get something somewhat ready for them. How tall does the tank have to be?
 

meowzer

Moderator
Given your situation I don't think you are dumb for taking them...toilet or you...hmmmm..I'd take them in a heartbeat....
Do you know what type of horses they are? If he will hold onto them try to get more info on what they are, like mentioned above do some research as quick as you can.
Good luck, you'll need it....just try to get something suitable for them and use as much established sand, rock, water you can get your hands on.
 

teresaq

Active Member
Originally Posted by CRABBYCHRIS
http:///forum/post/2957295
First off it was a customer at the lfs not an employee. Secondly he wont give away the tank because he wants to sell it (and by the way it is a 12 gal eclipse he has them in) but he said he can't find anyone who wants the seahorses. I have been asking around and I can't find anyone that has any way to house them. I think the guy is an idiot but I know that the horses will be better off with me than in the toilet. Right? The only other option I have is to put them in my dads 29 that has an ocellaris and 2 green chromis until I can set up a proper tank. Also a 12 gallon eclipse tank is just as tall as a standard 29 gal. I'm only taking them because the guy said he is going to flush them. Am I wrong for that? I don't think so. obviously a few of you think that I am just being dumb for taking them. What would you do in my case? let him flush 'em?
Anyways he said he would keep them alive for a few more days until i get something somewhat ready for them. How tall does the tank have to be?
No I would rather see them alive then flushed, but 4 lrg horses really need to have room. Its not only about the height of tank. Depending on the species they can get up to 8 inches. Horse need a tank close to 3x thier length. Even a 29 will be a little small for 4 of them. I dont know how he was keeping them alive in a 12 gal. They are very messy eaters and can foul the water quickly with all the mysis you have to feed. You will have to be very carful about water quality and temp. It should be very close to 70 degrees as these horses will be very stressed with the move and an uncycled tank.
Let us know how its going, and try to find out what species they are.
TeresaQ
 

dingus890

Member
I think it is very brave of you taking on 4 horses at such a short notice.But also have you seen the horses first?They may be sickly and could perish from the move.And as Teresa said it is not all about the height, horses need room.A 12 gallon is cramped for most fish let alone 4 seahorses.But it also depends on the species of seahorse.Seahorses make twice as much waste as regular fish due to not having a stomach and constantly eating and expelling waste.Also the smaller the tank, the less dissolved oxygen the tank has.
I think the 12 will be fine but only for a short time.Setting up a new tank for them would be really simple since you have such a large tank with LR and sand.
I just cant beleive the guy would just flush 4 horses...It boggles my mind how idiotic some poeple can be.
I hope all goes well with the horses and never think that we are scolding or putting you down.We are just trying to help.
 

monalisa

Active Member
As previously noted, couldn't you take some established water/rock from your 90 and place in your 12gal for a temporary home for the horses? In the meantime, get yourself a more suitable size tank and use water from water changes in your 90 to fill (keeping it warm and aerated). I wouldn't think that would take a lot of time. Get some base rock a couple of pieces of live tock (from the 90gal) to fill the display horse tank for now, and base sand.
Think of the 12gal as an isolation tank to get a good look at the horses for any problems. Stay on top of parameters in there though, with horses the water gets pretty dirty, pretty fast, especially in a tank that small.
Thumbs up to you for taking them on. They're in good hands. ***flushing 4 horses...I never heard of such a thing
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Hmmmm, just thought of something...are they dwarf horses? (ponies?), if so, the 12 gal will be perfect...but then there's the feeding problem (live food). Find out what kind of horses you're talking about, 'kay?
Lisa
 

novahobbies

Well-Known Member
Well, I've got a 45 not in use that I can donate to the cause if you can drive down here, but I think the gas price would be just as much as a new 45g tank.

Have you checked your local craigslist? I just saw that there was a 50g aquarium with stand being sold in Moody, AL for 50 bucks. Lot closer than I am!
 

cranberry

Active Member
Get a container and poke it full of holes and place it in the 90 with the horses in it..... or you can go better and get some egg crate and section off an srea of the 90 until their new tank is up and cycled.
 
Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/2978318
Get a container and poke it full of holes and place it in the 90 with the horses in it..... or you can go better and get some egg crate and section off an srea of the 90 until their new tank is up and cycled.
I second this thought(the egg crate one lol). Good thinking
 
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