Sebae or BTA?????

[o2ngk]

Originally Posted by PerfectDark
Aquatinincs, T series 6 at the minimum T5-HO individual Parabolic reflectors, ice cap ballasts.
Any soft coral you want, any LPS coral you want, most sps some may need to be placed up high. Anemones, most any some more light demanding ones with caution. IMO
If you went with the 8 bulb series same manufacture, IMO skys the limit.
Not sure where this is going but if you place PC lighting matching wattage the answer is still going to be no.. you cannot keep half the stuff I mentioned. For reasons explained above...
Don't worry, I will let you know why I started the challenge. I appreciate your input and I found your lights specs online already.
Anyone else?

 

[bonesnapper]

Originally Posted by PerfectDark
My apologies to the original poster you are correct Lex I should of clarified that my statment was directed to the posters who are unwilling to accept what is being told. These are facts that are being stated not opinions. To those people I believe that the only way they will truley understand is by making mistakes and learning through them. This is where I believe continuing to explain this is like beating a dead horse, pointless.
That ok, I made a post that was a "touchy" subject. I am following all of the posts. It is interesting what you guys posted.

 

[o2ngk]

Originally Posted by PerfectDark
Aquatinincs, T series 6 at the minimum T5-HO individual Parabolic reflectors, ice cap ballasts.
Any soft coral you want, any LPS coral you want, most sps some may need to be placed up high. Anemones, most any some more light demanding ones with caution. IMO
If you went with the 8 bulb series same manufacture, IMO skys the limit.
Not sure where this is going but if you place PC lighting matching wattage the answer is still going to be no.. you cannot keep half the stuff I mentioned. For reasons explained above...
Well, so far after 2 days posting a challenge we only got one guy who has answer to it .. thank you perfect dark .. you are a gentleman.
My observations is you chose the Aquatinincs Solar Flare w/ Ice Cap as your light and the main reason you chose this light is because of the live stocks requirements and sufficient for the 72G. I guess the brand does not matter, but let's use your choice for now. You can not get any fancier because of the no custom requirement
My point # 1, The type of light (PC,T5,T6,MH) is important in relation to the live stock requirements. You could have chosen PC if you only plan to have fishes in your tank. As I mentioned before, beside WPG, the type of light is very important.
My point # 2, Most of us shop for whatever we can get off the shelf or online and most likely it will fit on our tank just fine. With the selection limitation, getting the correct PAR, lumen, spectrum, WPG, etc is not that flexible anymore. Even the Aquatinincs website doesn't mention anything but the light bulb will produce 84W with only usage of 54W .. which bring to ..
My Point #3, Do you realize if you sum up all the light bulbs wattage and devide by the 72G = ... WPG
Therefore my orginal and final point is, unless you are up for custom light, just pick the correct type of light for your live stock and usually what you get in the store or online will put you right at around 4 WPG.
The good manufacturer know about this, they did research, testing, survey, etc and therefore they will not mass produce something that they can not sell.
I know some of you may say to me like "beating a dead horse" and that's fine because I just proof my point about type of light and WPG.
I rest my case and thank you for following this thread.

 

[perfectdark]

As simply as I can state it you cannot hold the same live stock under 350 watts of PC Lighting as you can with the same wattage T5-HO lighting. Its as simple as that... saying watts per gal is innacurate unless you define the type of lighting you are using and specify the tank size. Even at that there are some types of SPS corals and anemones that still will not survive under PC lights. Remember light intensity DOES NOT come from the watts, thats where I believe the misunderstanding is. It comes from the Lumen output and the PAR value is how intense that light will stay as it travels through the water. What I believe lighting companies do is simplify it too much. Truth is you are correct there is a lot of information that IMO is NEEDED to know before you purchase lights for a reef system. One of the areas in reef keeping that IMO is lacking the sufficient information that should be more readily available.

 

[bonesnapper]

Thanks, I know there is soooo much I still need to learn.

Maybe I will try a BTA and see how it goes. The rocks go up pretty high, so it maybe it will find a spot near the top or where ever it feels like placing itself.

 

[wangotango]

I like your new avatar Dark. I go away for two days and everyone changes theirs

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o2ngk: I wouldn't consider lighting to be a limited selection. There are countless brands with different combinations to choose from. The "stock" units are generally suitable for every setup, as there are very few companies that build fixtures to spec (the only one I know of is PFO). And it does matter what brand you use. A four bulb Nova Extreme is not even comparable in quality or light output as a four bulb ATI fixture. You're absolutely correct that stock should determine what lighting you get, but you WPG does not. I have 270w of T5 on my 55 SPS/LPS reef. The par I am getting from my setup is greater than if I was running a 150w halide setup. The halide setup would have two 150w halides (300w) plus two 54w T5 actinics (108) = 408w. But if it was about WPG, the halides would be the better option?
About your final point, buying a fixture and shooting for 4 WPG is not the way to go. Lighting is one of those things that you have to research and follow the advice and information given by others. A manufacturer will not give you PAR ratings of their units, because it will vary depending on the depth. They could say it has a PAR of 220, but that could be 2" below the bulb. Down where you're keeping your coral it may only be 15. There are no set rules, only guidelines to follow. Very few people actually have PAR meters to test their fixtures, so they have to trust these guidlines.
About the lighting suggestion; Aquactinics makes solid stuff, and I shopped around for a few months before I bought one of their units. The Solar Flare would be a good choice. The five bulb TX5 or the seven bulb Constellation are other good choices. IMO the Solar Flare and Constellation would give the greatest flexibility.
-Justin

 

[emtguy]

Originally Posted by WangoTango

Someone else asked me if it was a reference to him. It's actually the name of a barbeque sauce at a place near me.
Like I said in that other thread, the only southern person who I'm familiar with is Larry the cableguy.
-Justin
Well Justin, i'm going to go TOTALLY off subject and introduce you to the south. It can be summed up in 6 qoutes. Larry gives us a bad rap sometimes but he's funny as all get out. This is the true south
Because i was born in the south, I'm a southerner. If i had been born in the north, the west, or the central plains, i would be a human being.
clyde edgerton
I happen to know quite a bit about the south. Spent twenty years there one night.
---- Gregory
The south is the region that history has happened to.
Richard Weaver
In the south the war( of northern aggression) is what A.D. is elsewhere; they date from it
Mark Twain
On the night the hogs ate Willie, Mama dided when she heard what Daddy did to sister.
Pat conroy
All southerners go home sooner or later. even if in a box.
Truman Capote

 

[wangotango]

Originally Posted by emtguy
http:///forum/post/2449367
Well Justin, i'm going to go TOTALLY off subject and introduce you to the south. It can be summed up in 6 qoutes. Larry gives us a bad rap sometimes but he's funny as all get out. This is the true south
Because i was born in the south, I'm a southerner. If i had been born in the north, the west, or the central plains, i would be a human being.
clyde edgerton
I happen to know quite a bit about the south. Spent twenty years there one night.
---- Gregory
The south is the region that history has happened to.
Richard Weaver
In the south the war( of northern aggression) is what A.D. is elsewhere; they date from it
Mark Twain
On the night the hogs ate Willie, Mama dided when she heard what Daddy did to sister.
Pat conroy
All southerners go home sooner or later. even if in a box.
Truman Capote
Thanks for the introduction

-Justin

 

[tangwhispr]

Originally Posted by Rod Buehle
http:///forum/post/2440174
My exaggerations were to prove a point that WPG is a poor rule of thumb, and in reality, they are not exaggerations. You could keep an anemone in an 8,750,000 gallon tank with a 175 halide if the halide were over the anemone,proving that WPG is a poor rule. And yes, I agree that an anemone would die in a dixie cup no matter how many WPG, Again proving that WPG is a poor rule. I also see this thread as pointless.

Rod, thanks for posting, I believe that there are only a few people on this site that have a clue, you being one of them. Its funny to see people that are clueless arguing here, I believe this is why there are fewer and fewer knowledgable people on here.

 

[ci11337]

Originally Posted by WangoTango
http:///forum/post/2438339

Someone else asked me if it was a reference to him. It's actually the name of a barbeque sauce at a place near me.
Like I said in that other thread, the only southern person who I'm familiar with is Larry the cableguy.
-Justin
I knew i've heard WangoTango somewhere before!! The Dinosaur BBQ!! Ha-Ha love that place.