Should an ignition breathalyzer device be installed on every vehicle?

[darthtang aw]

Socal, you are forced to show your ID when you want to buy alcohol, gamble, or purchase tobacco.
You are forced to submit yourself to a search when boarding an aircraft.
If you go to a concert, you are patted down at many venues...
You are forced to do a lot of things of inconvenience for the overall safety of those around...even if you are not the problem....

 

[crimzy]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2990916
Since i do not drink i would say rather than be inconvenience i would instead like to see Alcohol go into the illegal drug column.I see no difference between illegal narcotics and alcohol except for the legal status attached to liquor.
See herein lies my issue with your position. You don't want to submit to the inconvenience of a breathalyzer but would rather prohibit all alcohol because it doesn't affect you. This is basically your position. What ever happened to sacrificing (if you can even call it that) for the greater good? Would you blow into a breathalyzer if you knew that it would save a life? It seems that we, as a society, have become so selfish and callous that any minor inconvenience to us is unthinkable, even if it means that thousands of families will not have to bury their children, or siblings, or parents. Maybe I'm too naive but I'd hope that we are better people than that.
On that note, I'm off... will read why I am completely wrong and full of it tomorrow.

 

[t316]

Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2990932
Not trying to gain ground in the argument as it's just a debate... there is no way to win or lose.
But basically what you are saying is that you have a problem with this because the inconvenience offends your delicate sensibilities. I really could care less if people feel insulted when they blow into the breathalyzer.... they'd get used to it. A lot of families would be infinitely better off and they wouldn't even know it.
Do you feel accused when you have to go through a metal detector at the airport or in a courthouse? What about if you have to take a drug test for a job/school/insurance?
In Crimzy's defense, I heard alot of rebellion and uprising when we first got news that "seat belts" would be mandatory. A few resisted, some still do, because it's just "a clear violation of our rights".
But who among us does not wear a seat belt now and think nothing of it?

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2990942
See herein lies my issue with your position. You don't want to submit to the inconvenience of a breathalyzer but would rather prohibit all alcohol because it doesn't affect you. This is basically your position. What ever happened to sacrificing (if you can even call it that) for the greater good? Would you blow into a breathalyzer if you knew that it would save a life? It seems that we, as a society, have become so selfish and callous that any minor inconvenience to us is unthinkable, even if it means that thousands of families will not have to bury their children, or siblings, or parents. Maybe I'm too naive but I'd hope that we are better people than that.
On that note, I'm off... will read why I am completely wrong and full of it tomorrow.

The answer seems clear to me unless you want people to blow into a BAIID Device to be unchained from their beds.
When you mention sacrifice ,who should be the one making the sacrifice?And really what is the greater good ,drinking or not?
How can alcohol be blamed for 100,000 deaths each year?
# 5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are attributed to alcohol.
# 15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are attributed to alcohol.
# 30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are attributed to alcohol.
# 30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol.
# 30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol.
# 40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol.
# 45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol.
# 60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol.
http://www.come-over.to/FAS/alcdeath.htm

 

[socal57che]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2990940
Socal, you are forced to show your ID when you want to buy alcohol, gamble, or purchase tobacco.
I don't want to buy those or gamble
You are forced to submit yourself to a search when boarding an aircraft.
entering private property
If you go to a concert, you are patted down at many venues...
entering private or government property
You are forced to do a lot of things of inconvenience for the overall safety of those around...even if you are not the problem....
None of these things subject me to hepatitis. Being forced to blow into another human's device, does.
Can I change my argument to be more politically correct? Nobody seems to accept the fact that I don't like it as having any merit.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/2990943
In Crimzy's defense, I heard alot of rebellion and uprising when we first got news that "seat belts" would be mandatory. A few resisted, some still do, because it's just "a clear violation of our rights".
But who among us does not wear a seat belt now and think nothing of it?

Only to avoid tickets do i wear mine.The law was only made to generate revenue and give police probable cause to snoop.
If my government was so concerned with my safety why wouldnt they get rid of tobacco the #1 killer? $$$$$$$$$

 

[reefraff]

Trust me, if you required these on every car someone will come up with an easy way to defeat them. It wouldn't be hard to come up with a way for the balloon to work even if you had to use a reed of some sort to fake the hum.
If you have to hum as you blow for them to work what about mutes?

 

[aquaknight]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2990957
Trust me, if you required these on every car someone will come up with an easy way to defeat them. It wouldn't be hard to come up with a way for the balloon to work even if you had to use a reed of some sort to fake the hum.
All you would have to do is figure out the resistance code the breathalyzer sends out to the computer, then just install a matching resistor and get rid of the breathalyzer. Just like working around PASSKEY systems. Which is exactly what my car would have...
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2990957
If you have to hum as you blow for them to work what about mutes?

Or what about the elderly? For as long and as hard as you have to blow into these things, some of our elderly, who can drive perfectly fine and rarer drive intoxicate, can't use a breathalyzer?
It's just not practical for the entire country. Some states don't even have annual car inspections, yet you want to force everyone to have one of these?
What about this, is it really worth possibly saving some lives, to cost of when some family tries to cut some cost corners, gets some random breathalyzer installed at Jose's auto garage, but when they're driving, the system fails, the car turns off on the highway, and kills the family? Worth it then? Why do you think kill switches that police could use in the event of a chase/etc, haven't been installed on cars yet?

 

[porkchop48]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2990929
Yup i remember just like ridding our country of illegal drugs dosent work, so why not just add alcohol to the list and hand out stiff penalties equal to drug offences for consuming /possessing/drinking and driving.......

I think that makes more sense than making people who dont break laws suffer unjustly.

I just wanted to comment on the stiff penalties thing here for a second.
Drug offenses do not always get you "stiffer" penalties. A family member recently was arrest for a two felony count heroin charges.
he spent less than a week in jail. Less than a week. Two felonies and he got less than a week. The only reason he was there that long was because he dad refused to bail him out for a while or he would have done no jail time.
Very irritating.

 

[ironeagle2006]

Acidoisis is a conditon that can come with Diabites sometimes the body instead of breaking down sugar into fuel instead FERMENTS into alchohal in the body and bloodstream however your breath also has a fruity order to it when this is going on also. Yet the cops do not care when this is happening I had my 75 year old Grnadmother that NEVER touched a drink in her life yet she was a diabetic get a DUI 15 years ago because she had a case of this condition hit her. We won her case but still the stigma attached to it when you are 75 widow never drink do not even have any booze in the house made her life hard for a few weeks.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
http:///forum/post/2991053
Acidoisis is a conditon that can come with Diabites sometimes the body instead of breaking down sugar into fuel instead FERMENTS into alchohal in the body and bloodstream however your breath also has a fruity order to it when this is going on also. Yet the cops do not care when this is happening I had my 75 year old Grnadmother that NEVER touched a drink in her life yet she was a diabetic get a DUI 15 years ago because she had a case of this condition hit her. We won her case but still the stigma attached to it when you are 75 widow never drink do not even have any booze in the house made her life hard for a few weeks.
If she was suffering from DKA, or other medical conditions, she should still not be driving. She is impaired. She is still a risk to herself and others. Should she have a "DUI" or a "DWI"?

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2990950
Only to avoid tickets do i wear mine.The law was only made to generate revenue and give police probable cause to snoop.
If my government was so concerned with my safety why wouldnt they get rid of tobacco the #1 killer? $$$$$$$$$
Yep, too much tax dollar in booze and cigs.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2990950
Only to avoid tickets do i wear mine.The law was only made to generate revenue and give police probable cause to snoop.
I only wear mine to shut off the stupid dinging for the seat belt alarm in my car.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/2990532
But in everyone's car? No way that would pass. There are a lot of people out there who simply don't drink and it would be nothing but an inconvenience for them... a consequence of a crime they've never committed, and likely never will commit.
Just my two cents.
A good 2 cents.
Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2990851
And here is the flow to the system. What if the device would require the driver to blow after a period of driving... say 10 minutes?
what is the stupid stat? Most wrecks happen withing 2 miles from your leaving point or destination? If that is the case, hello neighborhood bar resurgense.
Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2990892
We cannot take the freedoms of many because of the deeds of a few. It just isn't the right thing to do. I am free to drive my automobile without being accused of driving under the influence. Aren't we presumed innocent?

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2990939
Drinking isnt a right either its a privilege lol
In a round about way, it is a constitutional right. Sorta, the constitution does repeal a ban...
Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2990971
All you would have to do is figure out the resistance code the breathalyzer sends out to the computer, then just install a matching resistor and get rid of the breathalyzer. Just like working around PASSKEY systems. Which is exactly what my car would have...
lol It could send some sort of encripted code instead...

 

[stdreb27]

IMO seatbelts aren't a great example. Since statistically everyone gets in a wreck at some point of time. And at that point, a seatbelt works.
Personally I think there is a difference between safety of a vehicle like a seatbelt and a breathalizer test to measure the competence and ability of a driver.

 

[darthtang aw]

While we are at it, we could instal an age tester as well...anyone over the age of 70 would not be able to start a vehicle as well......

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2991148
While we are at it, we could instal an age tester as well...anyone over the age of 70 would not be able to start a vehicle as well......
Don't forget a gender tester too!

 

[t316]

Personally, my family would probably appreciate a "fart-o-meter", so they could have an honest attempt to get out of the vehicle

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/2991301
Personally, my family would probably appreciate a "fart-o-meter", so they could have an honest attempt to get out of the vehicle

 

[socal57che]

Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/2991301
Personally, my family would probably appreciate a "fart-o-meter", so they could have an honest attempt to get out of the vehicle

What would keep people from farting into the meter? What would it register? Dude, you had burritos...