Should i quarantine my first clown fish?

[cranberry]

How does a QT prevent ich from getting in the DT?
Ya Meowser, after your tank is cycled and while you leave it fallow, it should be fed ammonia. Pure ammonia is the controlled method, but I think most peeps do it with "feeding" the tank. I put shrimp or fish on a fishing line and tape it so it's dangling in the water column. That way I can remove it when it gets really funky and it keeps the nassarius off it.
The pure ammonia , while it sounds scary, is a safe method. I really can't control how much ammonia is released from the shrimp, but with the pure method I can control how high my levels go. A too high level of ammonia, from any source, will kill off your LR fauna and the beneficial bacteria as well.
If you took 10 fish out of a tank and had them in QT for 6 weeks, your DT would not be able to support 10 fish going back in at once.... not without a hiccup in your parameters. There will be bacteria dieoff from the lack of food with the fish being out. I apologize if you already knew that.
Now, if someone's tank was dirty as heck you'd get away with a longer fallow period.

 

[salt life]

Originally Posted by Arvins
http:///forum/post/3069024
Aye always add your CUC first. ...And don't add ammonia to your tank. Just put a few snails in and "feed" your tank for a couple weeks then move on to fish if your levels stay at zero.
adding food to a tank with no fish to eat it is pretty much adding ammonia.

 

[meowzer]

SEE...That' what I love about this site.....Always something new to learn.

 

[locoyo386]

Originally Posted by neupane00
http:///forum/post/3068991
my water param are showing ok for last few days. And within a week i am planning to buy my first fish. Tank raised clown. Now the question is should i quarantine my first fish? there is nothing else in the tank than live rock. is it still smarter to qt my first fish. Or just put that in display tank?
Hi there,
What did you used to cycle your tank?

 

[locoyo386]

Hi there,
Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3069297
How does a QT prevent ich from getting in the DT? You would hope to treat Ich while the fish is in Q, than hope that whe you feel the fish is no longer carrying Ich than you place him in the DT. Hope this works and you will not introduce Ich into the DT.
Ya Meowser, after your tank is cycled and while you leave it fallow, it should be fed ammonia. Pure ammonia is the controlled method, but I think most peeps do it with "feeding" the tank. I put shrimp or fish on a fishing line and tape it so it's dangling in the water column. That way I can remove it when it gets really funky and it keeps the nassarius off it. I read that if you keep a shrimp (dead) in the tank too long it will develop bad bacteria (from decomposition), is this true?
The pure ammonia , while it sounds scary, is a safe method. I really can't control how much ammonia is released from the shrimp, but with the pure method I can control how high my levels go. A too high level of ammonia, How high? from any source, will kill off your LR fauna and the beneficial bacteria as well. What level of ammonia will kill the micro-fauna and benificial bacteria?
If you took 10 fish out of a tank and had them in QT for 6 weeks, your DT would not be able to support 10 fish going back in at once.... not without a hiccup in your parameters. There will be bacteria dieoff from the lack of food with the fish being out. I apologize if you already knew that.
Now, if someone's tank was dirty as heck you'd get away with a longer fallow period. How so?

 

[cranberry]

You hit the nail on the head. You need to TREAT the fish to ensure you don't bring ich into the DT. A QT itself will not prevent this. Once you start treating, that's a hospital tank IMO. Now I really believe in a QT, but I don't want peeps to think if they QT for 6 weeks, let's say, that they are somehow stopping ich from entering their DT.
I've never read anything about the detrimental effects of using dead shrimp. I don't let them rot in there and that's why I add the "easy removal string". But I've cycled over 20 tanks in the last couple of years. But if you had some reading on it, I would sure like to wade through the fact and fiction of it.
I don't know what's "too high" and I'm sure different critters are sensitive to different levels. But I use the amount it takes to get it to 2ppm.
If your tank is full of food stuff to break down, it can be a source of ammonia. There will always be some ammonia being produced if we use live rock, all that fauna is like their own little city that produces is own limited amount of ammonia.

 

[woody189]

Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3069297
How does a QT prevent ich from getting in the DT?

Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3069569
You need to TREAT the fish to ensure you don't bring ich into the DT. A QT itself will not prevent this. Once you start treating, that's a hospital tank IMO. Now I really believe in a QT, but I don't want peeps to think if they QT for 6 weeks, let's say, that they are somehow stopping ich from entering their DT.
That's what i meant. I think it's kinda obvious you're gonna treat it for ick in the event you see it. Which will prevent it from getting into your DT. What's the point of having a QT if you're not gonna treat it once you see problem. Yea, it then becomes a HT, but it's the same thing.
I guess what I should have said was if put a fish into QT, and then make it a HT if you see ick then it will prevent ick from entering your DT.

 

[cranberry]

Originally Posted by woody189
http:///forum/post/3069760
That's what i meant. I think it's kinda obvious you're gonna treat it for ick in the event you see it. Which will prevent it from getting into your DT. What's the point of having a QT if you're not gonna treat it once you see problem. Yea, it then becomes a HT, but it's the same thing.
I guess what I should have said was if put a fish into QT, and then make it a HT if you see ick then it will prevent ick from entering your DT.
Actually, I think you missed my point. Even if you DON'T see ich while the fish spends the appropriate amount of time in QT, that doesn't mean your fish doesn't have ich. It COULD just mean you didn't see it.... either the infection was too low and the spots too sparse and far between or that the ich is in the gills. So I'm not talking about treating once you see a problem, I'm talking about not treating because you DON'T see a problem and thinking you are putting an ich free fish in your DT.
I'm not saying treat all your fish. But unless you treat, more than likely a fish has ich even if you don't see it.
I just don't want people to think if they QT for 6 weeks (without copper or hypo) that they can assume their fish is ich free... it's more likely that they are not.

 

[xcali1985]

Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3069772
Actually, I think you missed my point. Even if you DON'T see ich while the fish spends the appropriate amount of time in QT, that doesn't mean your fish doesn't have ich. It COULD JUST mean you didn't see it.... either the infection was too low and the spots too sparse and far between or that the ich is in the gills. So I'm not talking about treating once you see a problem, I'm talking about not treating because you DON'T see a problem and thinking you are putting an ich free fish in your DT.
I'm not saying treat all your fish. But unless you treat, more than likely a fish has ich even if you don't see it.
I just don't want people to think if they QT for 6 weeks (without copper or hypo) that they can assume their fish is ich free... it's more likely that they are not.
I see what hes talking about, if you have a healthy fish with a good immune system he will be able to fight off the parasite without showing signs of the parasite existing. Then after 2 weeks or so you put the healthy pre-QT'd fish into your DT and one of your weaker more delicate fish catch it. You took all the steps and you wouldn't blindly treat a fish for ICH if it didn't show the signs. I asked a similar question a little while back about live rock, it can carry it, so if I QT it would have to sit there for at least a month or maybe longer before I could DT it.
Ive read that your tank always has ICH its why fish has built up such a strong immune system to it. Its when they are stressed that they weaken and the parasite takes over. Introducing a new fish stresses all life in the tank to a certain point and that may be a reason people see outbreaks with new additions.
My dad has had a tank for over 8 years im on my first, ive never seen him QT, his only outbreak was about 5 years ago, and he hadn't put a fish in, in months. It was just something that happened.
Ive also had conversations with others where some fish got ich and others didn't that would support the claim that its always there, and there immune system supresses it, and when its weakened the weaker fish can die. I would also assume that if a fish gets an outbreak that the amount of parasites grows and would make it harder for the others to defend.

 

[locoyo386]

Hi there,
Ive read that your tank always has ICH its why fish has built up such a strong immune system to it. Its when they are stressed that they weaken and the parasite takes over.
My opinion is that the statement above is wrong. It might agree in that Ich might be on the fish and we fail to see it. Thus we introduce it into the tank. I do not know if the parasite can remain indefinetely and feed on the fish without killing or causing secondary infections. Is this does happen, than Ich might always be on the fish and be brought out by a weekend fish. The parasite than can reproduced and thus the tank will have Ich. If you are able to traeat all stages of the life cycle, and are able to kill it in the stages, than you should never have Ich. Ich is not created on a fish with low immunity, at least not to my knowledge.

 

[cranberry]

I personally don't think that all tanks have ich.... just the majority. If you didn't treat your fish before going into the DT, chances are, IMO, they are carrying the parasite somewhere on them.
The is actually a connection between the immunity thing and ich. Stress = lower immunity (probably resulting in a thinner slime coat IMO) = infestation of ich because they are unable to fight the parasite.