Should people with foreclosed homes be able to vote?

[bionicarm]

This is waht the Texas Election Code says. Look at 6 and 7. No picture required for thiose:
§ 63.0101. DOCUMENTATION OF PROOF OF IDENTIFICATION. The
following documentation is acceptable as proof of identification
under this chapter:
(1) a driver's license or personal identification card
issued to the person by the Department of Public Safety or a similar
document issued to the person by an agency of another state,
regardless of whether the license or card has expired;
(2) a form of identification containing the person's
photograph that establishes the person's identity;
(3) a birth certificate or other document confirming
birth that is admissible in a court of law and establishes the
person's identity;
(4) United States citizenship papers issued to the
person;
(5) a United States passport issued to the person;
(6) official mail addressed to the person by name from
a governmental entity;
(7) a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement,
government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows
the name and address of the voter; or(8) any other form of identification prescribed by the
secretary of state.
This is also in the State Election Code:
§ 63.001. REGULAR PROCEDURE FOR ACCEPTING VOTER.
(a) Except as otherwise provided by this code, acceptance of
voters shall be conducted as provided by this section and Section
63.0011.
(b) On offering to vote, a voter must present the voter's
voter registration certificate to an election officer at the
polling place.
(c) On presentation of a registration certificate, an
election officer shall determine whether the voter's name on the
registration certificate is on the list of registered voters for
the precinct.
(d) If the voter's name is on the precinct list of
registered voters, the voter shall be accepted for voting.
(e) On accepting a voter, an election officer shall indicate
beside the voter's name on the list of registered voters that the
voter is accepted for voting.
(f) After determining whether to accept a voter, an election
officer shall return the voter's registration certificate to the
voter.
You do need either your *** or a valid ID to get a Voter's Registration Card. But as it says above, all you have to do is show the CARD at your precinct. So if I got hold of your card, and went to your precinct, what would stop me from voting as you?

 

[ibew41]

Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2761657
Gentlemen, figured you already knew this but if a home is foreclosed, the resident can still live there for a long time. In Michigan, there is a 6 month redemption period after the foreclosure sale, and after that, if the person doesn't move, the new owner has to go through eviction proceedings. The real problem with this is not that people are trying to use their old addresses but they are being prevented from voting when they are using current addresses.

redemption period is one (1) month in case of a

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on residential property not exceeding four (4) units and not more than three acres in size if amount claimed due at date of foreclosure notice is more than two-thirds of the original indebtedness secured and the property is abandoned. (MCLA Sub. Sec. 600.3201-3280; MSA Sub. Sec 27A.3201-3280). Effective May 15, 1986.

 

[reefraff]

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[crimzy]

Originally Posted by IBEW41
http:///forum/post/2764256
redemption period is one (1) month in case of a

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on residential property not exceeding four (4) units and not more than three acres in size if amount claimed due at date of foreclosure notice is more than two-thirds of the original indebtedness secured and the property is abandoned. (MCLA Sub. Sec. 600.3201-3280; MSA Sub. Sec 27A.3201-3280). Effective May 15, 1986.
Go back and do a bit more research. Redemption is 180 days after foreclosure sale. I don't feel like pulling the authority, but if you want to bet the title to your house or car on this, then I'll go ahead and take the time.

 

[rylan1]

Voter supression is very real, and appears to be a tactic that will be used to supress the vote in key urban areas.
What this foreclosure list will do is when people go to the polls... it will
1. create long lines to discourage people from voting
2. create confusion to discourage people from voting
3. if you are on the list, and still in your home... it will not allow you to vote at that precient, and because you are not registered anywhere else or at another location... you will not be able to vote.
4. People who have been forclosed recently..probably have not re-registered if the event has happened b/w their primary and the general...
I've voted in both urban and suburban districts ... and it is very clear in my experience that you wait much longer in urban areas.. there are not enough voting booths... or workers ... or whatever...

 

[fats71]

Originally Posted by jellyman1213
http:///forum/post/2761049
It does not say your right to vote will be taken away, only that the validity will be challenged. I see nothing wrong with making sure the voting address is accurate. If you are not trying to vote illegally you will not have anything to worry about.
The dems always' have something to whine about they always' want more and more and more... I mean come on they are already getting food stamps and medicade off the hard working republicans... sigh...

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2765079
..... and it is very clear in my experience that you wait much longer in urban areas.. there are not enough voting booths... or workers ... or whatever...
Then vote absentee...

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Fats71
http:///forum/post/2765127
The dems always' have something to whine about they always' want more and more and more... I mean come on they are already getting food stamps and medicade off the hard working republicans... sigh...
huh?
this is a idiotic statement based on stereotypes.... that has nothing to do with food stamps or medicaid, which people of all parties collect...
People of the GOP... talk values... patriotism... "country first" .. etc
this is the most un-patriotic... un-american behavior a party can participate in ... we are the example of the democratic process and these situations of disenfrachisment need to be exposed.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2765147
Then vote absentee...
yes that is an option... however you should have all your options available to you... some people just like to go to the polls, while others may not know what is going on and show up and be surprised... I would recommend people vote early, but again they have the right to vote however they choose.

 

[stdreb27]

lol, this is what I call pre-emptive strike. The democrats have historically been the party restricting voting right. Remember after the civil war. You actually had black people being voted into office. However once the democrats regained control of state and local governments, we didn't see black people being voted into office until the last 20 years. They implemented all sorts of barriers to keep blacks from voting.

Then to go out and attack republicans. Just silly.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2765181
lol, this is what I call pre-emptive strike. The democrats have historically been the party restricting voting right. Remember after the civil war. You actually had black people being voted into office. However once the democrats regained control of state and local governments, we didn't see black people being voted into office until the last 20 years. They implemented all sorts of barriers to keep blacks from voting.

Then to go out and attack republicans. Just silly.
I am going to disagree... yes there were barriers to voting... Jim Crow... Grandfather Clause... etc ... You can blame Southern democrats and all the politicians for the implementation of institutional racism... but again that is besides the point... Lets take the last 2 elections since 2000. There has been a culture of voter disenfranchisement and voting irregularites in key states such as Florida and Ohio...

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2765240
I am going to disagree... yes there were barriers to voting... Jim Crow... Grandfather Clause... etc ... You can blame Southern democrats and all the politicians for the implementation of institutional racism... but again that is besides the point... Lets take the last 2 elections since 2000. There has been a culture of voter disenfranchisement and voting irregularites in key states such as Florida and Ohio...
why you are sitting their arguing that the republicans are out to keep people from voting. I'm simply illustrating that they aren't the ones disenfranchising people. But if you want to talk disenfranchisement. Lets talk the dem primaries with Michigan and Florida.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2765246
why you are sitting their arguing that the republicans are out to keep people from voting. I'm simply illustrating that they aren't the ones disenfranchising people. But if you want to talk disenfranchisement. Lets talk the dem primaries with Michigan and Florida.
who has suggested that this requirement be part of your voting rights in Mich?
2nd, dems did not disenfranchise anyone... the states broke the rules... and particularly in Florida... the measure that changed the date for the primary was done by republicans.
Regardless of what side you (party) you are on.... this sort of thing should not be tolerated... and these people should be allowed to vote if they are registered.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2765315
who has suggested that this requirement be part of your voting rights in Mich?
2nd, dems did not disenfranchise anyone... the states broke the rules... and particularly in Florida... the measure that changed the date for the primary was done by republicans.
Regardless of what side you (party) you are on.... this sort of thing should not be tolerated... and these people should be allowed to vote if they are registered.
There you go again. Anyone who took the time to read beyond the headlines knows that the Democrats in the Florida legislature voted nearly unanimously for the primary date change and the democrat congressional delegation supported it.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi...entPosted=true
I understand you are tired of losing elections but when you have to lie to win is it really worth it?

And people who don't meet the residency requirement shouldn't be allowed to vote.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2765315
who has suggested that this requirement be part of your voting rights in Mich?
2nd, dems did not disenfranchise anyone... the states broke the rules... and particularly in Florida... the measure that changed the date for the primary was done by republicans.
Regardless of what side you (party) you are on.... this sort of thing should not be tolerated... and these people should be allowed to vote if they are registered.

You know if you were paying attention you could have argued that in convention, the Michigan and Florida delegates were allowed to vote.
The dem state party may have known what was coming when they changed the date of their primary. However, Obama didn't even put his name on the ballot in Michigan. And their votes weren't even considered, until after it didn't' matter. You can talk all you want, but this year, the democrats, disregarded entire 2 states votes until it didn't matter.

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2765315
who has suggested that this requirement be part of your voting rights in Mich?
2nd, dems did not disenfranchise anyone... the states broke the rules... and particularly in Florida... the measure that changed the date for the primary was done by republicans.
Regardless of what side you (party) you are on.... this sort of thing should not be tolerated... and these people should be allowed to vote if they are registered.
Rylan1 - I don't think you can blame the republican party for changing the timing of the democratic primary in Florida. I believe it entirely up to the states Democratic party to determine how to handle their own primary.
But back to the topic of this issue. I don't think this is a good idea, for the many reasons stated. While the main reasoning behind this measure may be to prohibit voter fraud, there are plenty of over zealous memebers of one party or another that would take this to the point of intimidation in an attempt to swing the vote. I don't think we can make any outright claim that says one party is out to get someone and the other is perfect. However, in this case it does seem like its the republicans that are being shady.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
http:///forum/post/2765528
Rylan1 - I don't think you can blame the republican party for changing the timing of the democratic primary in Florida. I believe it entirely up to the states Democratic party to determine how to handle their own primary.
But back to the topic of this issue. I don't think this is a good idea, for the many reasons stated. While the main reasoning behind this measure may be to prohibit voter fraud, there are plenty of over zealous memebers of one party or another that would take this to the point of intimidation in an attempt to swing the vote. I don't think we can make any outright claim that says one party is out to get someone and the other is perfect. However, in this case it does seem like its the republicans that are being shady.
I think this story more than rebuffs the wild accusations from the dems.
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2761678
This story is my rebuttal.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...,5911101.story

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2765544
I think this story more than rebuffs the wild accusations from the dems.
I can agree that it is highly likely that one party (the democrats in this case) would blow something another party says (republicans this time) out of proportion.
But beyond the debate over what was said or meant (which since none of us were there there isn't much of a point debating), we can still look at the fairness of whether this would or would not be a fair measure to institute.
I believe this type of action would be very unfair, I also believe that some people from any political party would (if they could) use this to create an unfair advantage for themselves.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2765379
There you go again. Anyone who took the time to read beyond the headlines knows that the Democrats in the Florida legislature voted nearly unanimously for the primary date change and the democrat congressional delegation supported it.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi...entPosted=true
I understand you are tired of losing elections but when you have to lie to win is it really worth it?

And people who don't meet the residency requirement shouldn't be allowed to vote.
the Florida legislature passed by House Bill 537[2] which moved the date of the state's Republican and Democratic primaries to January 29th, a week before the earliest permitted date[3] of both parties. The Democratic Party of Florida tried to amend the legislation and make the date February 5th. The Republican-controlled legislature refused.[4]

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2765452

You know if you were paying attention you could have argued that in convention, the Michigan and Florida delegates were allowed to vote.
The dem state party may have known what was coming when they changed the date of their primary. However, Obama didn't even put his name on the ballot in Michigan. And their votes weren't even considered, until after it didn't' matter. You can talk all you want, but this year, the democrats, disregarded entire 2 states votes until it didn't matter.
I am aware of the delegations .. but you can't blame the DNC.... rules are rules... can't consider a vote if candidate not on ballot.