Should we wage war against IRAN?

[socal57che]

Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
Because their neighbors don't understand Diplomacy.
exactly.
I guess air raid sirens are more effective in this case. Too bad for the citizens trying to scratch out a living who really pay the price.

 

[groupergenius]

Originally Posted by socal57che
exactly.
I guess air raid sirens are more effective in this case. Too bad for the citizens trying to scratch out a living who really pay the price.
Our countries ( US and Arab states) are similar in many aspects. No matter who is in charge, some like them and others oppose. I'm sure there are countless many Iranians who do not agree with the leadership in place, but you and I will never see them on CNN. Alive anyway.

 

[socal57che]

Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
I'm sure there are countless many Iranians who do not agree with the leadership in place, but you and I will never see them on CNN. Alive anyway.
Many were forced into exile when the Shaw was ousted.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
Our countries ( US and Arab states) are similar in many aspects. No matter who is in charge, some like them and others oppose. I'm sure there are countless many Iranians who do not agree with the leadership in place, but you and I will never see them on CNN. Alive anyway.
Very true ,but the fact still remains that the Iranian leadership has made it clear to me what their intentions are by their words and actions. So that puts us in a very unstable situation with a time limit. The clock is ticking,or should i say the timer.

 

[groupergenius]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
Very true ,but the fact still remains that the Iranian leadership has made it clear to me what their intentions are by their words and actions. So that puts us in a very unstable situation with a time limit. The clock is ticking,or should i say the timer.
Oh I agree. Your preaching to the choir here.

 

[1journeyman]

If they are supplying insurgents in Iraq and killing American by proxy aren't we already at war?

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
If they are supplying insurgents in Iraq and killing American by proxy aren't we already at war?
By the definition of the word war "No" I would say we have been on the wrong end of the stick so far.

 

[crimzy]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
If they are supplying insurgents in Iraq and killing American by proxy aren't we already at war?
So how does this whole thing end?
We are already at war in Iraq. We have troops in Afghanistan, and recent reports have indicated a resurgence of the taliban. According to many here, war with Iran is a foregone conclusion. Al Queda is in Syria, Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia... not to mention France and the US. Don't forget that North Korea is probably next on most of your lists. So are people on here really advocating for WWIII?
And since our war is, at least in part, against terrrorists (who exist in virtually every country around the world), what will WWIII accomplish for our interests?

 

[groupergenius]

Originally Posted by crimzy
So how does this whole thing end?
We are already at war in Iraq. We have troops in Afghanistan, and recent reports have indicated a resurgence of the taliban. According to many here, war with Iran is a foregone conclusion. Al Queda is in Syria, Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia... not to mention France and the US. Don't forget that North Korea is probably next on most of your lists. So are people on here really advocating for WWIII?
And since our war is, at least in part, against terrrorists (who exist in virtually every country around the world), what will WWIII accomplish for our interests?
Doing something is a whole lot better than doing nothing. I think we all saw on 9-11 what doing nothing will get you.

 

[crimzy]

Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
Doing something is a whole lot better than doing nothing. I think we all saw on 9-11 what doing nothing will get you.
So you're using 9/11 as your rationale for WWIII... or you just want to invoke anger by merely mentioning 9/11 when it's unrelated to the issues we now face. Either way this didn't even address my questions.
Besides, is doing "something" synonymous with going to war in your estimation?

 

[groupergenius]

Originally Posted by crimzy
So how does this whole thing end?
It won't. As long as there are folks who just don't get it.
Originally Posted by crimzy
We are already at war in Iraq. We have troops in Afghanistan, and recent reports have indicated a resurgence of the taliban. According to many here, war with Iran is a foregone conclusion. Al Queda is in Syria, Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia... not to mention France and the US. Don't forget that North Korea is probably next on most of your lists. So are people on here really advocating for WWIII?
I think it's safe to say that nobody WANTS war. Sometimes its inevitable for survival.
Originally Posted by crimzy
And since our war is, at least in part, against terrrorists (who exist in virtually every country around the world), what will WWIII accomplish for our interests?
Who started this WWIII talk anyway? I thought it was Global War on Terror. Do you not see terrorist plots being thwarted around the globe these days? The war on terrorism doesn't necessarily mean bombs and jet fighters...you realize that, right?
Hope I answered your ??s.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by crimzy
So how does this whole thing end?
We are already at war in Iraq. We have troops in Afghanistan, and recent reports have indicated a resurgence of the taliban. According to many here, war with Iran is a foregone conclusion. Al Queda is in Syria, Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia... not to mention France and the US. Don't forget that North Korea is probably next on most of your lists. So are people on here really advocating for WWIII?
And since our war is, at least in part, against terrrorists (who exist in virtually every country around the world), what will WWIII accomplish for our interests?
WWIII would accomplish this, a winner and a looser.I dont see a alternative to war .Unless we are willing to lay down a die.Do you think if we were to pull all of out troops out of Persia and the Middle east and ask Al Qaeda for peace it would change anything? The extremists want us annihilated at any cost. They see us as "The Great Satan".You cannot reason with a group of people who believe wholeheartedly we are truely Satans Right Hand.

 

[moneyman]

You cant have a WW if you dont have supports form other countries. The USA certainly doesn't have enough resource to fight, and then maintain peace, yet another country.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by MoneyMan
You cant have a WW if you dont have supports form other countries. The USA certainly doesn't have enough resource to fight, and then maintain peace, yet another country.
Do not underestimate the resourcefulness of the USA when our backs are to the wall. And im not so sure our support from other countries is a low as you might think.We are not the only country suffering casualties from terrorists.Iran with nukes may change some stances on where one might try to make alliances.
"Either your with us or you are with the terrorists"

 

[rylan1]

I mentioned WWIII because that is how things are shaping up. It seems that there are links to S. Korea and Iran... and Iran and Russia. Not to mention Syria, Lebanon, Afganistan, and Iraq. Are there any others we have conflicts with or that Israel does?
If Israel is attacked..most Western countries will aid. Russia has missles pointed at Europe right now, and have just created the largest bomb ever.
It just seems to me that this is the direction that we are headed unless something changes.

 

[groupergenius]

So when Ahmandenijab gets nuclear weapons and wipes Israel off the map, don't you think there will be some residual Palestinian, Jordan, Lebanese deaths as well. This madman cares nothing of human life, either side. How does one reason with that??

 

[groupergenius]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
I mentioned WWIII because that is how things are shaping up. It seems that there are links to S. Korea and Iran... and Iran and Russia. Not to mention Syria, Lebanon, Afganistan, and Iraq. Are there any others we have conflicts with or that Israel does?
If Israel is attacked..most Western countries will aid. Russia has missles pointed at Europe right now, and have just created the largest bomb ever.
It just seems to me that this is the direction that we are headed unless something changes.
Iran-Russia connection is weakening. Russia and China both are not happy with Iran's nuclear quests. South Korea-Iran...birds of a feather flock together. You could throw Venezuela and Cuba in that same flock.

 

[dogstar]

Originally Posted by MoneyMan
The USA certainly doesn't have enough resource to fight, and then maintain peace, yet another country.
This is the sad thing about this...
Even if it was right or needed to go to war with Iran or any other counrty, we couldnt...we dont have the personel to do it...thats why their stopping the surge....we have depleated the combat forces with a war that was not needed and now if we need to fight another....we couldnt....IMO.

 

[reefraff]

DO PEOPLE NOT LISTEN WHEN CANDIDATES SPEAK? None of the 3 leading Democrat candidates will take military force off the table regarding Iran. Neither have the Republicans. I have heard them all say the exact same things at one time or another. There are many sanctions yet to be used against Iran, way too early to seriously consider military action but it shouldn't be taken off the table.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by crimzy
So how does this whole thing end?...

I have no idea. I can say, however, it won't end as long as we let 2 bit dictators kill our young men and women.