Since we've discussed just about every other taboo subject... Euthanasia?
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bionicarm
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I actually like the billboard. It bluntly states the obvious. We know there is no such thing as immortality. My wife being an ICU Nurse, she sees individual's on a daily basis that literally struggle to stay alive. She has had patients point blank tell her that they no longer want to live, and ask if there's anything she or a doctor can do for them. I know myself that I NEVER want to be at the end of my life with some terminal illness, being bedridden, unable to take care of myself. I've told my wife that if I ever get to that point, that she can do a Dr. Kevorkian on me if she has the ability to do so. I have an old saying about The Cycle Of Life - You're born, you get laid, you die, then the worms eat you - The Cycle Of Life.
scottnlisa
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I agree Meowzer. Touchy subject. But people should be able to get assisted suicide if they choose. People everyday don't take their medication to treat cancer, treat diabetes, etc and they are signing their own death sentence. Why can't everybody. Utah doctors can assist patients with suicide but only after getting 3 different doctors opinions and a psych eval. I believe if anybody wants to end their live that they should be able to have their wishes come true. IMO
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tizzo
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I don't see how it's much different than a DNR in a way... and yeah, they "pull the plug" all the time and yet that's legal.
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tizzo
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The more I think about it, the more I agree with it. If you are catholic, you simply don't hafta do it, but you shouldn't be able to keep others from doing what they want... Least that's how I view most stuff, this is really not different.
jtt
Member
Don't laugh.
Star Trek Voyager. There is an episode where the star trek crew discover a society where, after death, they believe you move on to another cycle of life, another spiritual plane. Truth is that they just died. In the episode there was a man who was around 50 years old. Had kids that were grown, a wife that was a b*tch, and he was easily getting sick. His quality of life sucked because his family just made him feel like a burden. His family decided that it was best for him to just move on to the next spiritual plane... So they had a ceremony where they put him in a pod that kills him. The star trek crew came along. Told the guy that he just dies and there's no spiritual plane, he just rots. So the guy secretly escaped and lived the rest of his life with a friend on the other side of the continent, happy.
In short, I am not for assisted suicide. Because if just ONE person gets somewhat sick and feels like a burden on their family, and they have the option to end it out of depression, that's not right.
Listen up hippies/liberals, I know that vegetative state, terminal cancer patients that will end their life in a month, or people that get into a severe accident and lose half their brain and all of their limbs have the right to say just give me a peaceful end. But if there's a way for it to get misconstrued to end someones life early who didn't deserve it, someone who could very well have the possibility to live a lot longer happy, that just blows.
My father in law got diagnosed with pancreatic cancer a year ago. as every day went by he was depressed, crying, my mother in law also was having a horrible time. They are also a very low income family and couldn't afford basic health insurance. I'm quite sure that with the less than 3 year lifespan the doctors gave him, he probably would have opted to end it. But he tried a new surgery and now is doing fantastic, totally cancer free, living an awesome happy life.
Furthermore, if we legalize assisted suicide, and put the government in charge of health care, how long until the government has the right to tell you that further treatment is useless and a waste of medicine, refusing to give you the help you need, and deem your quality of life useless, and then boom inject the yellow life ending fluid.
Just my .02
Star Trek Voyager. There is an episode where the star trek crew discover a society where, after death, they believe you move on to another cycle of life, another spiritual plane. Truth is that they just died. In the episode there was a man who was around 50 years old. Had kids that were grown, a wife that was a b*tch, and he was easily getting sick. His quality of life sucked because his family just made him feel like a burden. His family decided that it was best for him to just move on to the next spiritual plane... So they had a ceremony where they put him in a pod that kills him. The star trek crew came along. Told the guy that he just dies and there's no spiritual plane, he just rots. So the guy secretly escaped and lived the rest of his life with a friend on the other side of the continent, happy.
In short, I am not for assisted suicide. Because if just ONE person gets somewhat sick and feels like a burden on their family, and they have the option to end it out of depression, that's not right.
Listen up hippies/liberals, I know that vegetative state, terminal cancer patients that will end their life in a month, or people that get into a severe accident and lose half their brain and all of their limbs have the right to say just give me a peaceful end. But if there's a way for it to get misconstrued to end someones life early who didn't deserve it, someone who could very well have the possibility to live a lot longer happy, that just blows.
My father in law got diagnosed with pancreatic cancer a year ago. as every day went by he was depressed, crying, my mother in law also was having a horrible time. They are also a very low income family and couldn't afford basic health insurance. I'm quite sure that with the less than 3 year lifespan the doctors gave him, he probably would have opted to end it. But he tried a new surgery and now is doing fantastic, totally cancer free, living an awesome happy life.
Furthermore, if we legalize assisted suicide, and put the government in charge of health care, how long until the government has the right to tell you that further treatment is useless and a waste of medicine, refusing to give you the help you need, and deem your quality of life useless, and then boom inject the yellow life ending fluid.
Just my .02
jtt
Member
To be clear: the society that the crew discovered believed that these pods were magical and healed them and gave them new bodies and sent them to the new spiritual plane. But the star trek crew was like, nope, your body does not get healed, you die, you rot. Your spirit.... Meh who knows.
crypt keeper
Active Member
IMO the Gov on any level has no right when it comes to you or your body. Your body is the ultimate freedom. Its yours. If you want to cut it up. get tats. Burn yourself whatever it is its your choice. Killing yourself regardless if somebody sets up the killing machine like Dr.K should be ignored as well. Nobody I mean nobody has the right to make you live in pain while you dwindle away to nothing then die. If you break your leg nobody will force you to fix it. I would never kill myself personally. For one its the coward way out regardless of pain or suffering. Thats just me. But who has the right to let you live in pain? We can kill criminals but we cant hire somebody to kill ourselves. That Logic is F'd up three times sideways.
Interesting responses here. I am actually in favor of it not being a crime for a doctor to assist a terminally ill patient. If I had some life threatening condition with no chance of recovery and was either in constant pain or had become a financial or emotional burden to my family I dont think the government has any right to tell me that I have to keep living.
ironeagle2006
Active Member
Right now I am dealing with this on a Personal Level BIG time. My FIL is in Nth Stage Prostate Cancer. It has Spread to his Stomach Brain and they think now his liver. He can not eat has lost 60+ lbs in 2 months and is in severe pain. Yet when you see him look at his Grandkids he lights up knowing he will not be here much longer. My Father is in about the same shape. He has both MRSA and VRSA in the Bone has lost 80% of both loungs now and is reporting severe Abdominal pain. Yet I would not want either to go. My kids are young and I want them to get as much time with Grandpa as they can. Once they are gone they can not see them again.
stdreb27
Active Member
I have a someone close to the family, that after 80+ years, and the last few being full of pain, Rheumatoid arthritis having left her debilitated, weak unable to walk, and withering her away finally decided enough was enough, and just stopped eating... As much as it pains me to have lost that person in my life, quite frankly I don't blame em. The spouse knew what was going on. Personally I'm going to go, flying upside down through my barn in my steerman...
mantisman51
Active Member
Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3289385
IMO the Gov on any level has no right when it comes to you or your body. Your body is the ultimate freedom. Its yours. If you want to cut it up. get tats. Burn yourself whatever it is its your choice. Killing yourself regardless if somebody sets up the killing machine like Dr.K should be ignored as well. Nobody I mean nobody has the right to make you live in pain while you dwindle away to nothing then die. If you break your leg nobody will force you to fix it. I would never kill myself personally. For one its the coward way out regardless of pain or suffering. Thats just me. But who has the right to let you live in pain? We can kill criminals but we cant hire somebody to kill ourselves. That Logic is F'd up three times sideways.
So the psychologically impaired should be left to their own devices? This kind of thinking is why there is a knee-jerk reaction to keep all euthanasia illegal. The slippery slope. How one can jump from allowing terminally ill patients to anyone who wants to harm themselves and can't see the difference between that and ending the threat posed by murderers? Well that's a divide that can't be spanned by most folks. I live in excruciating pain, everyday. When I first injured my back I was depressed and had suicidal thoughts because of the pain and my inability to function. I am still crippled and still in pain, but after going through what I have, I am thankful for my family and for the fact that I didn't go through with it. It is a psychological disorder brought on by pain, depression, stress, etc. I would like to think that we as humans have just a little more mercy and concern than a dog or a monkey and will try to help people instead of helping them kill themselves.
http:///forum/post/3289385
IMO the Gov on any level has no right when it comes to you or your body. Your body is the ultimate freedom. Its yours. If you want to cut it up. get tats. Burn yourself whatever it is its your choice. Killing yourself regardless if somebody sets up the killing machine like Dr.K should be ignored as well. Nobody I mean nobody has the right to make you live in pain while you dwindle away to nothing then die. If you break your leg nobody will force you to fix it. I would never kill myself personally. For one its the coward way out regardless of pain or suffering. Thats just me. But who has the right to let you live in pain? We can kill criminals but we cant hire somebody to kill ourselves. That Logic is F'd up three times sideways.
So the psychologically impaired should be left to their own devices? This kind of thinking is why there is a knee-jerk reaction to keep all euthanasia illegal. The slippery slope. How one can jump from allowing terminally ill patients to anyone who wants to harm themselves and can't see the difference between that and ending the threat posed by murderers? Well that's a divide that can't be spanned by most folks. I live in excruciating pain, everyday. When I first injured my back I was depressed and had suicidal thoughts because of the pain and my inability to function. I am still crippled and still in pain, but after going through what I have, I am thankful for my family and for the fact that I didn't go through with it. It is a psychological disorder brought on by pain, depression, stress, etc. I would like to think that we as humans have just a little more mercy and concern than a dog or a monkey and will try to help people instead of helping them kill themselves.
bionicarm
Active Member
Originally Posted by mantisman51
http:///forum/post/3289446
So the psychologically impaired should be left to their own devices? This kind of thinking is why there is a knee-jerk reaction to keep all euthanasia illegal. The slippery slope. How one can jump from allowing terminally ill patients to anyone who wants to harm themselves and can't see the difference between that and ending the threat posed by murderers? Well that's a divide that can't be spanned by most folks. I live in excruciating pain, everyday. When I first injured my back I was depressed and had suicidal thoughts because of the pain and my inability to function. I am still crippled and still in pain, but after going through what I have, I am thankful for my family and for the fact that I didn't go through with it. It is a psychological disorder brought on by pain, depression, stress, etc. I would like to think that we as humans have just a little more mercy and concern than a dog or a monkey and will try to help people instead of helping them kill themselves.
Mantis, I don't think we're talking about individuals like yourself. At least I'm not. I'm talking about those that are completely dibilitated both mentally and physically. The one's that just lie in bed, wreathing in pain, not able to even lift their head or arm to feed themselves. They sit with a breathing tube and/or feeding tube stuck down their throats. The one's with full-blown Dementia or Alzheimer's, where they don't even know who they are, much less any of their family members. Doctors keep these people alive by artificial means (drugs, machines, etc.) Why? Because family members don't want to see Momma, PaPa, Auntie, Granny, or Peepaw go just yet. They would rather have these individuals suffer just so they get the personal gratification of seeing and visting them once a week, or month. If a person is in reasonably good health, and medication relieves the symptoms to the point that they aren't in pain, then by all means help the person maintain the best quality of life possible. But if an individual is in so much pain, and the doctor's tell them there is nothing more they can do for them, just let them go.
http:///forum/post/3289446
So the psychologically impaired should be left to their own devices? This kind of thinking is why there is a knee-jerk reaction to keep all euthanasia illegal. The slippery slope. How one can jump from allowing terminally ill patients to anyone who wants to harm themselves and can't see the difference between that and ending the threat posed by murderers? Well that's a divide that can't be spanned by most folks. I live in excruciating pain, everyday. When I first injured my back I was depressed and had suicidal thoughts because of the pain and my inability to function. I am still crippled and still in pain, but after going through what I have, I am thankful for my family and for the fact that I didn't go through with it. It is a psychological disorder brought on by pain, depression, stress, etc. I would like to think that we as humans have just a little more mercy and concern than a dog or a monkey and will try to help people instead of helping them kill themselves.
Mantis, I don't think we're talking about individuals like yourself. At least I'm not. I'm talking about those that are completely dibilitated both mentally and physically. The one's that just lie in bed, wreathing in pain, not able to even lift their head or arm to feed themselves. They sit with a breathing tube and/or feeding tube stuck down their throats. The one's with full-blown Dementia or Alzheimer's, where they don't even know who they are, much less any of their family members. Doctors keep these people alive by artificial means (drugs, machines, etc.) Why? Because family members don't want to see Momma, PaPa, Auntie, Granny, or Peepaw go just yet. They would rather have these individuals suffer just so they get the personal gratification of seeing and visting them once a week, or month. If a person is in reasonably good health, and medication relieves the symptoms to the point that they aren't in pain, then by all means help the person maintain the best quality of life possible. But if an individual is in so much pain, and the doctor's tell them there is nothing more they can do for them, just let them go.
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3289457
Mantis, I don't think we're talking about individuals like yourself. At least I'm not. I'm talking about those that are completely dibilitated both mentally and physically. The one's that just lie in bed, wreathing in pain, not able to even lift their head or arm to feed themselves. They sit with a breathing tube and/or feeding tube stuck down their throats. The one's with full-blown Dementia or Alzheimer's, where they don't even know who they are, much less any of their family members. Doctors keep these people alive by artificial means (drugs, machines, etc.) Why? Because family members don't want to see Momma, PaPa, Auntie, Granny, or Peepaw go just yet. They would rather have these individuals suffer just so they get the personal gratification of seeing and visting them once a week, or month. If a person is in reasonably good health, and medication relieves the symptoms to the point that they aren't in pain, then by all means help the person maintain the best quality of life possible. But if an individual is in so much pain, and the doctor's tell them there is nothing more they can do for them, just let them go.
The flip side to this is that Terry Shivo (sp?) case. There is no way I'd let em pull the plug then... The "husband" had no business being in that business...
http:///forum/post/3289457
Mantis, I don't think we're talking about individuals like yourself. At least I'm not. I'm talking about those that are completely dibilitated both mentally and physically. The one's that just lie in bed, wreathing in pain, not able to even lift their head or arm to feed themselves. They sit with a breathing tube and/or feeding tube stuck down their throats. The one's with full-blown Dementia or Alzheimer's, where they don't even know who they are, much less any of their family members. Doctors keep these people alive by artificial means (drugs, machines, etc.) Why? Because family members don't want to see Momma, PaPa, Auntie, Granny, or Peepaw go just yet. They would rather have these individuals suffer just so they get the personal gratification of seeing and visting them once a week, or month. If a person is in reasonably good health, and medication relieves the symptoms to the point that they aren't in pain, then by all means help the person maintain the best quality of life possible. But if an individual is in so much pain, and the doctor's tell them there is nothing more they can do for them, just let them go.
The flip side to this is that Terry Shivo (sp?) case. There is no way I'd let em pull the plug then... The "husband" had no business being in that business...