Six line Wrasse help - acting strange

Burr

New Member
Hey all,

First post on this forum, I apologize in advance if this is not the correct section to post in, if it's not correct please let me know and I will post to the correct section.

When I woke up this morning, my six line wrasse was swimming very oddly, first thing I noticed is that he was swimming in the morning (he is usually sleeping when I leave for work, usually disappears into the rock just after my lights go to sunset mode). He would swim up the corner of the tank, do a little twirl, and go back to the bottom of the tank where he would attempt to hide against a rock, then swim around the outside of the tank, but very slowly and would dart around every so often. Rinse, repeat, just odd behavior. He usually comes and checks me out when I look at the tank, and he didn't respond when I approached the tank. He ate just fine yesterday. He has plenty of places to hide, and always is the life of the tank. Hands down my favorite fish in the tank, he is a blast to watch.

Background: I have had my tank up and running for 5 months total now, with fish for about 1.5 months. It is 40 gallons, with 40lbs of live rock, 2" live sand. My current water parameters are: pH: 8.1, specific gravity 1.022, ammonia 0ppm, Nitrite 0ppm and Nitrate 0ppm. I have a HOB Reef Octopus BH-1000 protein skimmer, AquaClear 70 gal filter, and a powerhead rated for 600gph. I currently have 1 coral beauty, 2 clowns, a six line wrasse, 1 peppermint shrimp, 1 coral banded shrimp, 5 mexican turbo snails, 6 hermit crabs, and 2 emerald crabs. I first put the six line wrasse and 2 clowns in the tank, but my first 2 clowns died of brooklynella about 3 days after purchase (they came from my LFS this way, very unfortunate). I treated the tank for the disease and waited and the new clowns have been in the tank for a week, and look very healthy. The coral beauty and the wrasse were best buds, always swimming around the tank together. One never aggressive towards the other. I always feed frozen cubes, usually a nice mix of the mysis shrimp, "emerald entree" and brine shrimp.

I wish I could have taken a picture before I left but he was hiding behind a rock and couldn't get one. I didn't notice heavy breathing, any color change, or any marks from possibly being attacked. If he was attacked, I would pin it on the coral banded shrimp, he is the only one in the tank that swipes at things when they get too close

Does anybody know what might be the issue? Based upon research I've done prior to my post, I understand that fish die suddenly sometimes for seemingly no reason. Being pretty new to this hobby, I would appreciate any pointers you guys can provide and insight as to what the issue might be.

Thanks in advance, I really appreciate any feedback!
 

Kristin1234

Active Member
Sometimes fish just act weird.

Keep an eye on him when you get home and see how he does at feeding.

What temp is your tank?

How did you treat your tank for the Brookynella?
 

Burr

New Member
Sometimes fish just act weird.

Keep an eye on him when you get home and see how he does at feeding.

What temp is your tank?

How did you treat your tank for the Brookynella?
I will keep an eye on him for sure. My tank is currently at 78 degrees F. I understand the fish "acting weird" but he seemed lethargic and almost woozy.

I cannot recall the exact name of the stuff to treat the tank with, I can find out when I get home. It was what the LFS recommended, I recall them saying this would be safe to use because I had no corals. It was in a blue bottle, yellowish in color, kinda smells minty. I had to add 1mL per 5 gallons, it said to treat the tank once per day for 10 days with the protein skimmer shut off. Probably an inadequate description, but like I said I can post what it was when I get back home.

I appreciate your help!
 

Burr

New Member
Hmm not copper. Brook is a bitch to get rid off
What do you mean by "Not copper"? And I've heard it isn't easy to get rid of... but I am pretty confident it is gone considering how well my clowns are doing right now.

tbh, I'm more concerned about my wrasse. He's been in the tank the longest of any of the fish. I understand fish die sometimes, but I feel as though I've done everything right to this point. I'm hoping he pulls through.
 

jay0705

Well-Known Member
The stuff u used. Cooper is a blue liquid generally. Wrasse can be effected differently w meds. Same w angels. Its why hypo is so common for ich.
 

Burr

New Member
The stuff u used. Cooper is a blue liquid generally. Wrasse can be effected differently w meds. Same w angels. Its why hypo is so common for ich.
The bottle was blue, but the liquid itself was not. I'll double check what it is when I get home later. Also, no signs of Ich in the tank unless I'm missing something that you picked up on from my description...
 

jay0705

Well-Known Member
No your good. Just saying if u did use a copper base some fish don't react well w it. Ich is treated w copper often. So the med you did use for brook could have a neg effect on the wrasse. Brook kills fast so if u did still have it, you would know
 

Burr

New Member
No your good. Just saying if u did use a copper base some fish don't react well w it. Ich is treated w copper often. So the med you did use for brook could have a neg effect on the wrasse. Brook kills fast so if u did still have it, you would know
Ahh, I see what you mean now. And yes, I had heard brook kills very quickly which is why I still decided to treat the tank for the full 10 days after my clowns died.

Also, unrelated to my issue, where do you get your fish from? My LFS seems to have some fish that look rather sickly ( I say some, not most because most look just fine). I understand they have a supplier and they come from them like that many times. Assuming my wrasse lives thru this ordeal, should I perhaps look somewhere else in the future (online) for my next fish (which I am not considering getting anything for at least a month).
 

jay0705

Well-Known Member
if your lfs sells iffy fish, change stores lol. I seldom buy online bc I like to see my fish. ALOT of folks do buy online so its ok to do. I have a new lfs and his suppliers suck. I have another who gets fish from a smaller supplier much better stock but less variety. If you qt your fish , you can buy a healthy looking fish from anywhere, even *****!! But u must qt to treat anything that pops up. The new guy I wouldn't buy half his fish bc of his supplier tho.
 

Burr

New Member
if your lfs sells iffy fish, change stores lol. I seldom buy online bc I like to see my fish. ALOT of folks do buy online so its ok to do. I have a new lfs and his suppliers suck. I have another who gets fish from a smaller supplier much better stock but less variety. If you qt your fish , you can buy a healthy looking fish from anywhere, even *****!! But u must qt to treat anything that pops up. The new guy I wouldn't buy half his fish bc of his supplier tho.
Well, good news is that I came home and the wrasse seems to be acting normal. He ate, is swimming around, came up to me when I approached the tank, which is his normal behavior. So that's good. Looks like he has a new mark near his dorsal fin, possibly like he was pinched or nipped at.

Regarding the LFS, there are no other stores around... I live 45 min away from this one, they have another store owned by the same people about an hour and a half away. I really think it must be their supplier, because they *seem* knowledgable and are very good about reimbursing you for fish who didn't make it. I got 100% of my money back on my first 2 clowns because my water parameters checked out perfect when I brought them back.

I may try ordering my next fish from somewhere online, but I want to have a QT setup before I do that. Plus, I'm at 4 fish in a 40 gallon tank so I want to be careful about what I put in, cause I have to be getting close to my limit, right?

I attached a couple pictures, one of the stuff I used to treat the tank for brooklynella and another of Wilbur (wrasse)
 

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Kristin1234

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Ok. That med is a quick semi fix. I have used a similar product of theirs called Herbtana. I had some ich and while it did take care of it, it was back a few weeks later. I am confident the brookynella will be back and you need to put your fish in a qt tank and treat them.
 

jay0705

Well-Known Member
Unfortunately miss texas maybe rt. Worse case get your qt and monitor your fish.
W your lfs issue, it can be tough w sw. Alot of places just don't carry it. I have 6-7 with in an hr of me so iam lucky in that sense. If you do order online I would watch the weather. Heat packs or not if its below 40 I don't like to order. Even snails lol
 

Burr

New Member
Who is miss texas?

Also, I will work on getting a QT setup. My LFS 'guaranteed' this product would get rid of the brooklynella, but would not save my first set of clowns because I treated them too late (I noticed the second day I had them something was off). Since then, I've had my new clowns for about a week and half. They are showing no symptoms of brooklynella. But based on what Kristen1234 said, sounds like it could even come back after this long.

So if brooklynella is still in my tank, how will I get rid of it for good? Of course placing the clowns in the QT will be beneficial for them, but if it still exists in the tank when I place them back in, then placing them in the QT only is delaying the inevitable.

Makes sense about not ordering when it's cold out. I am not sure what I will do when I want to get another fish, I want to support the LFS but not get their fish if I have to play doctor each time I place something in the tank, you know?
 

Kristin1234

Active Member
Who is miss texas?

Also, I will work on getting a QT setup. My LFS 'guaranteed' this product would get rid of the brooklynella, but would not save my first set of clowns because I treated them too late (I noticed the second day I had them something was off). Since then, I've had my new clowns for about a week and half. They are showing no symptoms of brooklynella. But based on what Kristen1234 said, sounds like it could even come back after this long.

So if brooklynella is still in my tank, how will I get rid of it for good? Of course placing the clowns in the QT will be beneficial for them, but if it still exists in the tank when I place them back in, then placing them in the QT only is delaying the inevitable.

Makes sense about not ordering when it's cold out. I am not sure what I will do when I want to get another fish, I want to support the LFS but not get their fish if I have to play doctor each time I place something in the tank, you know?

If you have no fish in the tank the parasite dies.

I have ordered fish from this site and only 1 was dead upon arrival. Swf have me a full refund and my chromis and my fire fish are still doing great.

Oh and I am miss texas. Lol.

No matter where you get your fish, you always want to qt. You will never know what they have been exposed to. And shipping is stressful on them. I also need to practice what I preach. I don't have a qt tank but am done stocking for awhile and keeping my water changes up to date. I will not buy another fish until my qt is set up.
 

Burr

New Member
If you have no fish in the tank the parasite dies.

I have ordered fish from this site and only 1 was dead upon arrival. Swf have me a full refund and my chromis and my fire fish are still doing great.

Oh and I am miss texas. Lol.

No matter where you get your fish, you always want to qt. You will never know what they have been exposed to. And shipping is stressful on them. I also need to practice what I preach. I don't have a qt tank but am done stocking for awhile and keeping my water changes up to date. I will not buy another fish until my qt is set up.

haha ok, miss texas makes more sense now.

I actually did not know this site even had a store until you just mentioned that, I had only seen the forum. So that's good news that you have had good success with your fish from here, I will have to give that a try!

Thanks for clarifying about the QT. That makes a lot more sense. My next question is, with 4 fish, how large of a QT should I have? I feel like if I had them in a 20gal together that would be stressful, but setting up another 40gal would be a fair share more work. Or, maybe 2 smaller QTs?

Also attached a picture of my tank, and another of the clowns now in question. I think all 4 of the fish are in the first one. I got lucky with some really nice pieces of live rock at the LFS. One had aptasia, which the peppermint shrimp made quick work of once he got in there. Thanks again for your advice, and also jay0705. I appreciate it.
 

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Kristin1234

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A 20 gallon would work great. Yea right now it may be crowded but in the future it will only hold your newcomers.
 

jay0705

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Agreed, a 20 is a fine qt. I use a 29 now, but began w a 20. Everything else Kristen said is correct no need to repeat lol
 
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