Snakes vitamin C dosing thread

snakeblitz33

snakeblitz33

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The Kalk drip helps stabilize pH.
It's just an experiment. I don't have any guidelines. I started with 500mg in 25g of water because my tablets are 500mg each.
If I see adverse side effects, I'll decrease the dosage. The last thing I want is to harm my livestock.
I am going to test pH before and after dosing every seven days. Ie every Sunday.
so far, 1500mg has been dosed in my tank with absolutly no side effects
 
kiefers

kiefers

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Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/390982/snakes-vitamin-c-dosing-thread/20#post_3465428
The Kalk drip helps stabilize pH.
It's just an experiment. I don't have any guidelines. I started with 500mg in 25g of water because my tablets are 500mg each.
If I see adverse side effects, I'll decrease the dosage. The last thing I want is to harm my livestock.
I am going to test pH before and after dosing every seven days. Ie every Sunday.
so far, 1500mg has been dosed in my tank with absolutly no side effects
okay, I see. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to bust your balls or anything, it's just like I stated a couple of times this was rather vague compared to your other threads.
This VC dosing is carbon dosing correct?
 
kiefers

kiefers

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Dang....... it submitted the post for me before I was done! Lol
Are you doing this for prophylactic or therapeutic reasons. I understand it's an experiment but there are differences.
If my memory serves me correctly, don't count on my memeory Lol) therapeutic is tratment of a sick coral sick fish and corals like zoos and leathers so one wants to be dosing highier levels than prophylactic reasons. (I think I have this all backwards, not so sure)
 
reefkprz

reefkprz

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I wonder what form of silica they used in your vit c tablets, if its soluble its going to dissolute and become silicates, which will be a source of silica for diatomic algaes. not a completely bad thing since diatoms are AWESOME coral food, if you can get them suspended into the water column. it will be interesting to see if you see an increase in diatomic algaes.
 
snakeblitz33

snakeblitz33

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Therapeutic I suppose. My reasoning is that it may boost the health of the corals, and help them ward off some diseases and boost their immune systems. If a coral is no longer fighting infections, bugs and bacteria they grow really quickly. I'm just tryin to find a way of doing that.
Jus like one dips their corals to kill red bugs, nudibranch, flat worms and other pests, I'm trying to find something that will help them boost their immune health to help them grow and color up well. My reasoning being the experiment, however, may be way different then yours or Someone else's.
 
snakeblitz33

snakeblitz33

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So my tank still hasn't crashed nor has my fish died from renal failure.
I tried editing my chart post and it all messed up. So, I am going to record it in a journal/paper so that I can type it all in later and won't have to worry about it scrambling again.
If I could get on a computer instead of my iPhone it would be different.
Again, no real side effects and so far no visible positive effects either.
 
florida joe

florida joe

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Do I understand this correctly, you are adding vitamin C into your tank water? This addition is to see if there are any benefits visible improvements in color, growth and health of fish, corals and other livestock. IMO if you are running a healthy tank to begin with you have to take the fish out of the equation. As for the corals you would have to assume that all of the corals are going to absorb the same amount of vitamin C for your experiment to even begin to be valid also improvement in color is subjective. Other factors that can skew you results are the degrading of your lighting day by day and the fact that corals simply go through periods of diminished color only to color up again more vibrant then before. Again IMO there are just too many variable in this experiment for it to hold any concrete information
 
snakeblitz33

snakeblitz33

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Thank you for your opinion joe.
Of course there are variables. But, as you know, this hobby is full of experimentation and if a serious hobbyist can not experiment because one is limited to the use of a professional lab, then Any experiments as a hobbyist is pointless. If you don't agree with the experiment or you feel that my METHOD of experimentation is completely flawed and fallible and has no basis that is reliable then just stay out of my thread. Allow others to form their own opinions without trying to run the experiment into the ground before it is even complete. Now, if you have suggestions for making the experiment better or more reliable, then by all means, please post. If you have a better more reliable experiment, then why don't you conjure one up and do it yourself?
 
jerthunter

jerthunter

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If you are looking for some testable measurements you could always measure water clarity if you have a light meter. Measure a known light source (flashlight) through a water sample. You could get a measurable clarity of your water.
 
florida joe

florida joe

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/390982/snakes-vitamin-c-dosing-thread/20#post_3466122
Thank you for your opinion joe.
Of course there are variables. But, as you know, this hobby is full of experimentation and if a serious hobbyist can not experiment because one is limited to the use of a professional lab, then Any experiments as a hobbyist is pointless. If you don't agree with the experiment or you feel that my METHOD of experimentation is completely flawed and fallible and has no basis that is reliable then just stay out of my thread. Allow others to form their own opinions without trying to run the experiment into the ground before it is even complete. Now, if you have suggestions for making the experiment better or more reliable, then by all means, please post. If you have a better more reliable experiment, then why don't you conjure one up and do it yourself?
First depending on the experiment there may or may not be a need for a professional lab. If you are only looking for presenting information that may or may not be valid then you can get away with not following proper protocol. No experiments are pointless what is pointless is giving flawed information. I never stated that I was speaking for others. I have no suggestions for making the experiment better or more reliable simply because IMO the experiment cannot be controlled to the point giving accurate information. Do you really think you were the only one to come up with the idea of dosing Vitamin C? Seems to me if an experiment that could be controlled to give accurate results would have already been performed and the results published. I will stay out of your thread, to tell you the truth the only reason I looked at it was to see what could have brought you back to reef keeping after all you did state that you already had all the knowledge that there was to be had.
 
snakeblitz33

snakeblitz33

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Ok, flawed information so be it. Vitamin c dosing has been done before and if you want scientific research done on it, you can find it elsewhere. I am presenting my own personal results, not publishing them in a journal of scientific aquarium monthly. Now since that is cleared up and everyone knows that I am not doing a scientific study with lab grade results in an extremely controlled environment with 24/7 monitoring, I can get back to my thread, and my original intention of presenting my own personal results with MY aquarium.
As far as bringing back the dead from your last remark, I use a simple method of reef keeping and I do not have any more to learn from my methods. However, I did stumble across something that peaked my interest and I am experimenting with it and posting my results, and what happens? I get criticized for wanting to post my own personal results.
 
geoj

geoj

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This hobby moves forward on anecdotal evidence. This anecdotal evidence leads to scientific research if there is money to be made. I had the same thought as Joe when I saw that you had just changed the way you have been keeping your tank setup. That said if you maintain all things the same and keep dosing for three weeks or so and then you stop dosing Vitamin c for three weeks that will give a indication of any benefit. The reason you may want others to join you is to increase the study to help confirm your ideas to provide more information to help decide weather there is a benefit. I do understand that this may not be in your interest, but it is of interest from a person reading your post Snake as they will decide to try Vitamin c dosing based on what they read.
Joe is just being argumentative because he would like to have faith in your findings.
 
snakeblitz33

snakeblitz33

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Nope. Never read that article. Thank you Henry!
Well, there yah have a list of some benefits, pros and cons and a dosing method. Thank you.
I'll continue the experiment for a while longer to see any results.
 
2quills

2quills

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I was reading a published article posted in a scientific journal lastnight that broke the benefits of vit c dosing down to a cellular level. Great results were shown on tests done with a digitata, but no real improvement shown in xenia in regaurds to cellular generation or regeneration.
But if you happen to be running ozone this may not be a good idea.
 
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