So two lions and a Bengal tiger walk into a bar...

I'm sure most of you have by now seen the story here in the good ole' Buckeye state. Apparently a man owned a "preserve" where he kept over 50 various exotic animals. He decided he would release them all into the wild, and then kill himself.
Apparently there were lions, tigers, bears, wolves, giraffes, etc roaming around the interstate.
Does anyone else think there should be federal laws on the books that prohibit every day Joe Six Packs from owning dangerous animals?
 

mantisman51

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Good question. I've often pondered this myself. The Interstate Commerce clause would seem to give state and federal governments the authority.
 

darthtang aw

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I'm sure most of you have by now seen the story here in the good ole' Buckeye state. Apparently a man owned a "preserve" where he kept over 50 various exotic animals. He decided he would release them all into the wild, and then kill himself.

Apparently there were lions, tigers, bears, wolves, giraffes, etc roaming around the interstate.

Does anyone else think there should be federal laws on the books that prohibit every day Joe Six Packs from owning dangerous animals?
define dangerous animals....many here own sharks.....stingrays.....lionfish.....a couple jellyfish....
 

darthtang aw

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The kind that if I opened their cage and set them free, human life would be in immediate danger.  Not so much with animals in a tank...
pit bulls.........rottweillers...german shepards........some birds........ostrich.....bulls.......monkeys.......lizards......
unbroken horses........
again please define.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/388593/so-two-lions-and-a-bengal-tiger-walk-into-a-bar#post_3427761
pit bulls.........rottweillers...german shepards........some birds........ostrich.....bulls.......monkeys.......lizards......
unbroken horses........
again please define.
Most of those you listed would be categorized as being able to be "domesticated". Yea, Michael Jackson used to keep a chimp in bed with him, but look what happened to that woman's face that got to close to her friends chimp that grew old. Statistics have shown that certain animals (i.e lions, tigers, bears, wolves, etc,) tend to revert back to their wild instincts even after being domesticated for an extended period of time.
 

darthtang aw

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why just everyday joe? one obscure unique rare incident happens, that probably would never happen again in our lifetime and we are thinking more laws? yet seaworld has an orca kill someone, zoos have regular maulings...and not a peep. what is the difference. the same thing could happen at a zoo that happenned at this guys preserve...just one loony janitor or key carrier and all animals are free and roaming.
darth (look a satelite falling out of the sky...lets ban them) Tang
 

flower

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The man was registered as a wild animal care giver. Each animal was registered, that's why poilice knew how many of what is missing. Retired circus animals, and idiots that keep dangerous exotic animals then find out the hard way they don't make good pets. The zoo's doesn't want them, it's a shame to kill them, and few programs can afford to spend the money or time to retrain an animal to be returned to the wild after being raised by humans, they don't know how to hunt for their own food, or be with their own kind.
A few people with enough land and a desire to help the animals take them in and provide care for them. They get volunteers to help with feeding, veterinary and cleaning the enclosures. The amount of food needed to sustain even a single tiger is outrageous, and the only income are usually donations.
This fellow was doing a public service, I don't know what horrible thing drove him to such a sad and deadly end, maybe the critters had nobody that cared enough to donate food so the guy got fed up, who knows. He released them, as to why...maybe he left a note, and maybe not. The government does regulate such permits, mostly they want to be sure the person knows how to care for the animal and can provide a decent life for them on some land and remote enough to not disturb the neighbors with noise or smells. They have animal control officers constantly making checks to be sure all is well.
Something went wrong, I don't know what, but it's the animals who are paying with their lives because they are too dangerous to be roaming free. Police and animal control will try and rehome as many as they can safely catch...but if they feel in danger they shot to kill. It's a sad, sad mess.
 

reefraff

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Unless the guy was buying and selling animals the federal government doesn't have the authority to regulate it unless he was importing them into the country.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/388593/so-two-lions-and-a-bengal-tiger-walk-into-a-bar#post_3427778
The man was registered as a wild animal care giver. Each animal was registered, that's why poilice knew how many of what is missing. Retired circus animals, and idiots that keep dangerous exotic animals then find out the hard way they don't make good pets. The zoo's doesn't want them, it's a shame to kill them, and few programs can afford to spend the money or time to retrain an animal to be returned to the wild after being raised by humans, they don't know how to hunt for their own food, or be with their own kind.
A few people with enough land and a desire to help the animals take them in and provide care for them. They get volunteers to help with feeding, veterinary and cleaning the enclosures. The amount of food needed to sustain even a single tiger is outrageous, and the only income are usually donations.
This fellow was doing a public service, I don't know what horrible thing drove him to such a sad and deadly end, maybe the critters had nobody that cared enough to donate food so the guy got fed up, who knows. He released them, as to why...maybe he left a note, and maybe not. The government does regulate such permits, mostly they want to be sure the person knows how to care for the animal and can provide a decent life for them on some land and remote enough to not disturb the neighbors with noise or smells. They have animal control officers constantly making checks to be sure all is well.
Something went wrong, I don't know what, but it's the animals who are paying with their lives because they are too dangerous to be roaming free. Police and animal control will try and rehome as many as they can safely catch...but if they feel in danger they shot to kill. It's a sad, sad mess.
According to Jack Hanna the conditions were deplorable with the animals living in filth. The police also said it's been a problem and has been sited in the past for animal cruelty and just did a year in prison for weapons charges. Sounds like a nice guy.
 

gemmy

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Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid http:///t/388593/so-two-lions-and-a-bengal-tiger-walk-into-a-bar#post_3427748
I'm sure most of you have by now seen the story here in the good ole' Buckeye state. Apparently a man owned a "preserve" where he kept over 50 various exotic animals. He decided he would release them all into the wild, and then kill himself.
Apparently there were lions, tigers, bears, wolves, giraffes, etc roaming around the interstate.
Does anyone else think there should be federal laws on the books that prohibit every day Joe Six Packs from owning dangerous animals?
Please define exotic animals and then please define dangerous animals. There are state regulations in place and the state is responsible for enforcing them. Unfortunately, Ohio has some of the most lax laws (there was a ban against selling and buying exotic animals in Ohio but that was allowed to expire in April). The person that was responsible for the care of these animals did have the proper permits, but it would appear that towards the end he was in over his head and had other issues going on (including recent jail time). Considering that he had the proper permits, I would not consider him the "every day Joe six pack" that you refer to in your post.
I believe the issue at hand as to what animals can be allowed to be and purchased should be up to the state. The state of NJ has some pretty tough restrictions when it comes to the sale of pets. Many common pets such as leopard geckos, bearded dragons, chinchillas, and even dwarf hamsters require the owner to maintain a permit that costs 10 bucks a year. Now, many types of birds including doves, finches, love birds and conures require permits at the cost of 20 bucks a year. Then, you have the restricted pet list which includes certain morphs of corn snakes, ALL turtles/tortoises, Quaker parakeets and the list goes on. Then, certain counties have restrictions that run deeper than the state restrictions.
 

meowzer

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Do you know they SHOT 49 of these animals???? I wonder why they had to kill them? Why not tranq them?
6 were transported to a zoo.....and the herpes infected monkey is still on the loose
 

gemmy

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Originally Posted by meowzer http:///t/388593/so-two-lions-and-a-bengal-tiger-walk-into-a-bar#post_3427832
Do you know they SHOT 49 of these animals???? I wonder why they had to kill them? Why not tranq them?
6 were transported to a zoo.....and the herpes infected monkey is still on the loose

Tranquilizers don't work instantly. The animal could get shot with the tranquilizer, run into the woods, pass out, and then regain consciousness. It was getting dark and they could only do so much given the circumstances. It is a said solution, but the animals could have gone on a rampage attacking pets or even people.
 

2quills

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Unfortunate. That really sucks. But with human lives in potential danger they had to do what they had to do I guess.
 

meowzer

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AHHHHH...makes sense.....There are soooo many stories out there right now, and I did not read any types of "explanations" on why they shot to kill
 

flower

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Originally Posted by Gemmy http:///t/388593/so-two-lions-and-a-bengal-tiger-walk-into-a-bar#post_3427787
The person that was responsible for the care of these animals did have the proper permits, but it would appear that towards the end he was in over his head and had other issues going on (including recent jail time). Considering that he had the proper permits, I would not consider him the "every day Joe six pack" that you refer to in your post.
My point exactly...You said it so much better, I also think he was in over his head to care for them.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by meowzer http:///t/388593/so-two-lions-and-a-bengal-tiger-walk-into-a-bar#post_3427832
Do you know they SHOT 49 of these animals???? I wonder why they had to kill them? Why not tranq them?
6 were transported to a zoo.....and the herpes infected monkey is still on the loose

Some of them were because they were spotted at night and they wont take a chance on hitting them with a dart and losing site of them in the dark so they take them down while they have the chance. One tiger they did hit with a dart and it went all ape and rushed the people so the cops had to take it out.
 

rainbow grouper

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Originally Posted by meowzer http:///t/388593/so-two-lions-and-a-bengal-tiger-walk-into-a-bar#post_3427832
Do you know they SHOT 49 of these animals???? I wonder why they had to kill them? Why not tranq them?
6 were transported to a zoo.....and the herpes infected monkey is still on the loose

I agree on the trank idea there really isn't any point in this to me it is just meaningless slaughter how many people kill and make animals EXTINCT when i was year 3 i found out that 1 species of animal goes extinct about every 35 seconds to 1 minute and 300 square meters of rainforest were destroyed every 10 seconds. The animals had no power.WE have the power yet it doesn't mean we should use it or at the very least ABUSE it.That may not be your view on it but i have always been very protective when it comes to nature.JMO.
 
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