Solaris LED light
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lion_crazz
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I would love to see someone post with experience with them as well. Those lights are incredible looking.
maxalmon
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Originally Posted by TX Reef
My lfs has an sps tank with them on it. The growth was extremely slow, so they added a halide.......
Growth is a combination of many issues, calcium, water changes, skimming, pH, flow and lights...Just because it's a LFS doesn't mean they know what they are doing so it's pretty biased to make a statement like that.
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Everyone is knocking this company for being somewhat inovative and creating a new product that has some incredible benefits, low radiant heat, longlife, variable output with timer. I've been to several of the industry tradeshows and talked with the owners and developers, yes, they had some issues but they have worked hard to resolve eveything and they do have lots of documentation with respect to growth, my next lighting system will be the 72" solaris that I'll probably purchase in Sep
My lfs has an sps tank with them on it. The growth was extremely slow, so they added a halide.......
Growth is a combination of many issues, calcium, water changes, skimming, pH, flow and lights...Just because it's a LFS doesn't mean they know what they are doing so it's pretty biased to make a statement like that.
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Everyone is knocking this company for being somewhat inovative and creating a new product that has some incredible benefits, low radiant heat, longlife, variable output with timer. I've been to several of the industry tradeshows and talked with the owners and developers, yes, they had some issues but they have worked hard to resolve eveything and they do have lots of documentation with respect to growth, my next lighting system will be the 72" solaris that I'll probably purchase in Sep
cjason3041
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i have heard good things ... but not the price!!!
tx reef
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Originally Posted by maxalmon
Growth is a combination of many issues, calcium, water changes, skimming, pH, flow and lights...Just because it's a LFS doesn't mean they know what they are doing so it's pretty biased to make a statement like that.
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Everyone is knocking this company for being somewhat inovative and creating a new product that has some incredible benefits, low radiant heat, longlife, variable output with timer. I've been to several of the industry tradeshows and talked with the owners and developers, yes, they had some issues but they have worked hard to resolve eveything and they do have lots of documentation with respect to growth, my next lighting system will be the 72" solaris that I'll probably purchase in Sep
I'm sorry, I forgot that you know everything......
This tank at the lfs is the managers personal tank. I am fully aware of what it takes to get good growth out of SPS.
When he took his halides off of the tank and put the Solaris on, the growth slowed tremendously. When he added a halide, the growth picked up. What else is there to say?
Don't make ignorant comments about a tank you have never seen without first asking what the tanks setup is like.
FYI.........
92 Gallon Corner
2 - Tunze Stream 6080s
Reef Devil Deluxe Skimmer
40 Gallon Custom Sump/Fuge
Return Pump (not sure what brand)
Deltec Calcium Reactor
This is just what I know from memory. If you would like I will go up there this weekend and take a picture........since you don't believe me.
Growth is a combination of many issues, calcium, water changes, skimming, pH, flow and lights...Just because it's a LFS doesn't mean they know what they are doing so it's pretty biased to make a statement like that.
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Everyone is knocking this company for being somewhat inovative and creating a new product that has some incredible benefits, low radiant heat, longlife, variable output with timer. I've been to several of the industry tradeshows and talked with the owners and developers, yes, they had some issues but they have worked hard to resolve eveything and they do have lots of documentation with respect to growth, my next lighting system will be the 72" solaris that I'll probably purchase in Sep
I'm sorry, I forgot that you know everything......
This tank at the lfs is the managers personal tank. I am fully aware of what it takes to get good growth out of SPS.
When he took his halides off of the tank and put the Solaris on, the growth slowed tremendously. When he added a halide, the growth picked up. What else is there to say?
Don't make ignorant comments about a tank you have never seen without first asking what the tanks setup is like.
FYI.........
92 Gallon Corner
2 - Tunze Stream 6080s
Reef Devil Deluxe Skimmer
40 Gallon Custom Sump/Fuge
Return Pump (not sure what brand)
Deltec Calcium Reactor
This is just what I know from memory. If you would like I will go up there this weekend and take a picture........since you don't believe me.
maxalmon
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Please back up your statements with facts.
So which verison of the lamp did they go with? there are several or do you even know?
What k rating of MH did they have before or after?
How long did they run the lights
What settings did they have the solaris on?
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How about you post the LFS phone # and we can have solaris call them and see if they can get more details on why this did or didn't happen, I'm sure the company would love to hear the story
So which verison of the lamp did they go with? there are several or do you even know?
What k rating of MH did they have before or after?
How long did they run the lights
What settings did they have the solaris on?
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How about you post the LFS phone # and we can have solaris call them and see if they can get more details on why this did or didn't happen, I'm sure the company would love to hear the story
maxalmon
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As I mentioned before, I HAVE DONE research on this system,
Sorry, I just get a little ticked when people make totally unsubstantiated claims about products they know nothing about. I'm been looking into purchasing this system for several months but I'm waiting on a newer version to be released and I've seen nothing but positive reports, granted you will find a few people who have had problems with some of the indvidual LEDs going out, but the company resolved the issues or swapped out the unit
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Sorry, I just get a little ticked when people make totally unsubstantiated claims about products they know nothing about. I'm been looking into purchasing this system for several months but I'm waiting on a newer version to be released and I've seen nothing but positive reports, granted you will find a few people who have had problems with some of the indvidual LEDs going out, but the company resolved the issues or swapped out the unit
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deltablack22
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Ha... I'm not trying to jump in between a pissing contest but I have also looked into that lighting system and would like some long term feedback on it. The benefits of LED lighting with their onboard timing system looks amazing. Does anyone know if the timing system is user friendly? From what I read you can get pretty indepth and have the lights slowly come on and go off simulating the sun rise/set along with a fairly accurate lunar cycle.
maxalmon
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The fact that the LEDS are at 70% of power after almost 11years and that the lights beat out MH in PUR (photosynthetic Usable Radiation) but a little lower in PAR, it's a combination of all these aspects that make a good light, all the testing was done with a 75w solaris and 250 w MH...
isistius
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i believe that another company, aquailluminaions, is coming out with another led system that should blow the solaris out of the water. check out ***************** they are using some sort of new korean led technology (seoul semiconductor) that is supposed to put out somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 lumens/watt of power.
tx reef
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Originally Posted by maxalmon
Once again, you've proven your far superior to everyone else and only you have the power to say anything negative or positive about a product that you personally know nothing about. Congrats on being a whinning reef snob.
How about posting specifics before you go knocking somebodys product line.
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So which verison of the lamp did they go with? there are several or do you even know?
What k rating of MH did they have before or after?
How long did they run the lights
What settings did they have the solaris on?
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How about you post the LFS phone # and we can have solaris call them and see if they can get more details on why this did or didn't happen, I'm sure the company would love to hear the story
I simply posted another persons experience with the system and you shoot it down like it is nothing. You post crap without even knowing the guy and write him off because he manages a pet store.
He had 2-250 watt XM 15k bulbs before. He has the 24" 13k solaris.
He leaves his lights on during store hours (9am - 6pm). The FACT is that his sps growth slowed when he switched to the Solaris and increased when he added a halide (250 watt 15k XM). He did not change anything else in his tank except the lighting. I don't know how much more clear I can make this. I don't care how much you have read (which gives you zero experience). I have seen this operating for around 8 months. I visist this store at least 4 times a month. I trade and buy sps from this tank and they are very healthy.
I am not knocking the company, just stating what I have seen with my own eyes. I have read up on these every since they came out. I, just like many people, would like to have one of these systems but after seeing the slow growth I am going to wait until I see other tanks with this lighting. I need to see better growth before I make such a big investment in lighting.
I know for a fact that they provide enough light for sps, but I like to see fast growth......
I am going to go about my business now because I have better things to do than argue with you over the validity of my statements.
nijamini....sorry about the thread and I hope that what I posted will help you in some way.
Once again, you've proven your far superior to everyone else and only you have the power to say anything negative or positive about a product that you personally know nothing about. Congrats on being a whinning reef snob.
How about posting specifics before you go knocking somebodys product line.
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So which verison of the lamp did they go with? there are several or do you even know?
What k rating of MH did they have before or after?
How long did they run the lights
What settings did they have the solaris on?
.
How about you post the LFS phone # and we can have solaris call them and see if they can get more details on why this did or didn't happen, I'm sure the company would love to hear the story
I simply posted another persons experience with the system and you shoot it down like it is nothing. You post crap without even knowing the guy and write him off because he manages a pet store.
He had 2-250 watt XM 15k bulbs before. He has the 24" 13k solaris.
He leaves his lights on during store hours (9am - 6pm). The FACT is that his sps growth slowed when he switched to the Solaris and increased when he added a halide (250 watt 15k XM). He did not change anything else in his tank except the lighting. I don't know how much more clear I can make this. I don't care how much you have read (which gives you zero experience). I have seen this operating for around 8 months. I visist this store at least 4 times a month. I trade and buy sps from this tank and they are very healthy.
I am not knocking the company, just stating what I have seen with my own eyes. I have read up on these every since they came out. I, just like many people, would like to have one of these systems but after seeing the slow growth I am going to wait until I see other tanks with this lighting. I need to see better growth before I make such a big investment in lighting.
I know for a fact that they provide enough light for sps, but I like to see fast growth......
I am going to go about my business now because I have better things to do than argue with you over the validity of my statements.
nijamini....sorry about the thread and I hope that what I posted will help you in some way.
stanlalee
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Originally Posted by Isistius
i believe that another company, aquailluminaions, is coming out with another led system that should blow the solaris out of the water. check out aquaillumination dot com. they are using some sort of new korean led technology (seoul semiconductor) that is supposed to put out somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 lumens/watt of power.
Solaris has a high output version that uses the same leds. they still suck in output compared to halides or T5's
anyway you look at it output is not impressive. I knew output wouldn't be great when they advertise "equal to a 20k 250w metal halide" for the regular and "equal to a 20k 400w metal halide" for the high output. Go to sanjay's performance data and all things being equal you will see that on avg a 250w 20k metal halide dont even perform comparably to a good 150w 10k bulb so in reality a regular solaris performs about as good a poor peforming 150w 10k bulb or an average 14k 150w halide. the average PPFD for DE 250w 20k's from reputable bulb brands were in the 40's while the average decent 10k 150w bulb on the same brand E-ballast scored PPFD's in the mid 60's
same goes for the high output version. a 20k 400w halide on avg doesn't perform nearly as well as a 10k 250w metal halide.
at this point still just high priced novelty. when they develop something for half the price and twice the performance they will be on to something
i believe that another company, aquailluminaions, is coming out with another led system that should blow the solaris out of the water. check out aquaillumination dot com. they are using some sort of new korean led technology (seoul semiconductor) that is supposed to put out somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 lumens/watt of power.
Solaris has a high output version that uses the same leds. they still suck in output compared to halides or T5's
anyway you look at it output is not impressive. I knew output wouldn't be great when they advertise "equal to a 20k 250w metal halide" for the regular and "equal to a 20k 400w metal halide" for the high output. Go to sanjay's performance data and all things being equal you will see that on avg a 250w 20k metal halide dont even perform comparably to a good 150w 10k bulb so in reality a regular solaris performs about as good a poor peforming 150w 10k bulb or an average 14k 150w halide. the average PPFD for DE 250w 20k's from reputable bulb brands were in the 40's while the average decent 10k 150w bulb on the same brand E-ballast scored PPFD's in the mid 60's
same goes for the high output version. a 20k 400w halide on avg doesn't perform nearly as well as a 10k 250w metal halide.
at this point still just high priced novelty. when they develop something for half the price and twice the performance they will be on to something
1journeyman
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Originally Posted by Stanlalee
..."equal to a 20k 250w metal halide" ....
That's what bothers me as well. Get it equal to a 10,000k 250w HQI and I'll consider it further.
..."equal to a 20k 250w metal halide" ....
That's what bothers me as well. Get it equal to a 10,000k 250w HQI and I'll consider it further.
isistius
Active Member
very true guys. i'm not saying that those numbers aren't right. all i was saying was that there is a new technology coming out, that is better than the solaris. also, that altho right now, i don't feel that the leds are as good as high quality mh/t-5 combo, maybe (hopefully) led's will become the new wave. especially now that the seoul semiconductor company has produced an led that puts out 240 lumens/watt. now we can really start to compare led's with high quality mh's.
i hope i cleared anything up.
i hope i cleared anything up.
1journeyman
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Aquailluminations looks impressive if they can deliver what they are advertising and if they have a better initial release than the Solaris.
$3600 for a setup for my tank is painful, but over a couple of years in electricity, cooling and bulbs It would probably pay for itself.
$3600 for a setup for my tank is painful, but over a couple of years in electricity, cooling and bulbs It would probably pay for itself.
ninjamini
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I think what we are seeing is antidotal evidence and no real research into these lights in comparison to other types.
All I can say about solaris is that they run cool and they look good...real good. How they perform on a tank long term (6-12 months) remains to be seen. I would like to run 2 equal tanks piped together so that we know its not a water quality issue. One tank gets HQI and one gets solaris. Lets look at them monthly and compare. Let these lights prove themselves.
All I can say about solaris is that they run cool and they look good...real good. How they perform on a tank long term (6-12 months) remains to be seen. I would like to run 2 equal tanks piped together so that we know its not a water quality issue. One tank gets HQI and one gets solaris. Lets look at them monthly and compare. Let these lights prove themselves.
mcbdz
Active Member
Originally Posted by ninjamini
I think what we are seeing is antidotal evidence and no real research into these lights in comparison to other types.
All I can say about solaris is that they run cool and they look good...real good. How they perform on a tank long term (6-12 months) remains to be seen. I would like to run 2 equal tanks piped together so that we know its not a water quality issue. One tank gets HQI and one gets solaris. Lets look at them monthly and compare. Let these lights prove themselves.
SO, ninjaini, Are you volunteering to be the gineapig?
Cool, Love to see this. If anyone could afford to do it.
I think what we are seeing is antidotal evidence and no real research into these lights in comparison to other types.
All I can say about solaris is that they run cool and they look good...real good. How they perform on a tank long term (6-12 months) remains to be seen. I would like to run 2 equal tanks piped together so that we know its not a water quality issue. One tank gets HQI and one gets solaris. Lets look at them monthly and compare. Let these lights prove themselves.
SO, ninjaini, Are you volunteering to be the gineapig?