spinning my wheels

[snakeblitz33]

I actually have a strong gpa... a 3.4 aint bad after being in college for eight years. but like you said, no one cares.
For this little business, there isn't a whole lot of overhead and the only paperwork that I should really keep up with is the origins and hunting license numbers of the animals that comethrough my shop.
I got together some materials for the business a couple of days ago. I am really starting bare bones, but I have some feelers put out there for obtaining animals. This one gentleman actually gave me my first specimen yesterday. I guess when I want to do something, I do it. lol.
Talking about my teaching classes, last night I read 80 pages of two of my books... and got to finish up reading my third book and write three reports, on top of my first genetics exam 12 days from today. yay! I just have to keep telling myself that it is all worth it in the end. The reason why I wanted to go back to school in the first placewas to start making more money to be financially secure. my university toldme it was only going to take two years to finish up - and now that I look back on it, I could have a technical degree and already be working in the real world if I chose a different path two years ago.

 

[beth]

GPA matters in certain high demand fields, such as medical. Many universities will not admint you to their program without a high gpa. So GPA may not matter to your new employer, getting there could very well matter if you want a degree in something like nursing. In the world of academia, C students don't get too far unless they want a degree in literature or Bus. Adm.

 

[2quills]

Seth, can you incorporate your idea as an extra service provided through your dad's business? Maybe you guys can piggy back off each other in a way that will be mutually beneficial untill you're either ready to take over his stuff or break out on your own?
I hope I don't ever have to depend on the services of a heart surgeon with a C average lol.

 

[snakeblitz33]

I am piggy backing a little bit. Any skulls of animals that come through the shop that my dad doesn't need, I take. I am also going to start contacting a couple of the other taxidermists in the area. A few customers that come in the taxidermy shop are coon and predator hunters and hog hunters. Lots of possibility.
I know I am just starting out small and have a long way to go, but I really feel like this is a good choice.

 

[dragonzim]

Wow, your max potential salary as a teacher is what most teachers earn after only a year or 2 in my area. Of course, you do need a Masters here for that though. I don't think they even hire teachers without a Masters here in NY

 

[phixer]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/396967/spinning-my-wheels/20#post_3537399
GPA matters in certain high demand fields, such as medical. Many universities will not admint you to their program without a high gpa. So GPA may not matter to your new employer, getting there could very well matter if you want a degree in something like nursing. In the world of academia, C students don't get too far unless they want a degree in literature or Bus. Adm.
So does Mental telepathy and ESP and ones abilty to use the force. Yoda graduated at the bottom of the Jedi academy.

Interesting, thats never been my experience. Several MDs and RNs in my family. Trauma, Pede and Pathology MDs and 3 RNs. None at the top of their class prior to being accepted. But all were well rounded outside of the classroom which is how they got in. Demonstrating versatility beyond academics , sports and community involvement. They all say the same thing ...what do you call the guy who graduates at the bottom of med school?

I have a lot more respect for someone who can persevere with a low GPA than the math whiz to aces everything naturally. Those with the highest GPAs are normally the gifted and talented but when it comes to performance outside of the classroom in the real world most of them are average at best.

C students go just as far if not farther in the real world because in the real world what matters is how skilled you are at what you do which is often very different that what is taught in the classroom or lab. How you interact with people and difficulty situations cannot be taught in a classroom, it has to be learned in the real world. The world of academia where they run around with their tenured noses in the air just isnt realty, there are just too many examples of successful people with low GPAs to even argue this. My best pilots were always average level students but very versatile, humble and what made them so good was their ability to innovate. The worst ones around others were the geniuses, devoid of any sense of humor also, making them more robotic.

I'll always hire the guy with an average GPA over the top of the class grad, they tend to work harder without a sense of entitlement. To me that characteristic is of more value then a good GPA. The two are not related IMO.

 

[beth]

You're analysis of academic high achievers is interesting, but where's the facts to support that? Also, for the medical professionals you mention, when did they graduate and how long have they been working?

 

[darthtang aw]

You're analysis of academic high achievers is interesting, but where's the facts to support that?  Also, for the medical professionals you mention, when did they graduate and how long have they been working?
George W. Bush.

 

[2quills]

Bill Gates was a college drop out. Henry Ford never finished high school. Some of the most successful people in the world are drop outs. Not that I'm advocating such a thing. Surely all of those people believed in advancing their knowledge to some degree.

 

[beth]

Ok, let me say that obviously there are college drop outs who are extremely high achievers and others with great GPAs that end up on skid row. There are obviously a great deal of high achieving college students who also end up as high achievers professionally.

From the comments made above, I was left with the impression that GPA in school is irrelevant (its not for competitive programs) .

Taking the medical profession as an example, since we are talking about that. Maybe 30 yrs ago you could get into nursing school or med school with a C average, but that is not the case anymore. Programs in the medical field are now pretty competitive with a good deal of bloat with people wanting to get in. Given that, it is necessary to have more like a 3.5 and upward from that if you want to get into a good program. You can't just say I want to get accepted into "this" program, and its a given that you will get in with C average---isn't goanna happen folks.

Yes, there are tons of people who never go to college, and they are successful as well--even those in blue collar types of employment. And many of them make more money then the college grads.

 

[2quills]

I'd still prefer a doctor that made A´s. Whether they breezed through school or not it makes more sense to have someone who you know understands their work vs someone who's had to work hard to make C´s. Who'd seem much more likely to miss diagnose a patient.
After seeing what some of my wife's family has been through with some of those old country doctors I wouldn't put much faith in anything else but the best. People die or can become physically or mentally incompacitated because of their mistakes.
I do agree though that a degree doesn't guarantee you'll end up successful in whatever field you are after. We still need nuclear engineers. But not everybody needs a specific degree to make money in this world. Where do you draw the line on spending money to get a degree in a field that's worthwhile for you to make your investment back in any kind of reasonable time frame?
My buddies wife is 26 and just got her nursing degree and certificate. She had 3 offers waiting for her before she finished. One was for an emergency room starting at $45 an hour. But I think she took a nursing position with one of the schools for now making a little less.
On the other hand I know rough necks in the oil and gas business with no education making more than most professors.

 

[beth]

A lot of kids go to school to study what they are interested in wo major thought put in to whether that field of study has much value in the real world getting a job.

 

[phixer]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/396967/spinning-my-wheels/20#post_3537456
You're analysis of academic high achievers is interesting, but where's the facts to support that? Also, for the medical professionals you mention, when did they graduate and how long have they been working?

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/396967/spinning-my-wheels/20#post_3537506
A lot of kids go to school to study what they are interested in wo major thought put in to whether that field of study has much value in the real world getting a job.

Beth, here's how I see it. I always like requests for facts...(one can find anything on the internet and credibility is always debateable). Are experiences the same as facts? They are to the one who experiences them. Facts do not exist for anything because, they are based ones experiences and perceptions of what is real, therefore what is factual to one is merely an opinion/theory to another unless they experience it. When many agree on something it dosent become factual , just popular (Salem witch trials). Would you consider it a fact that Antartica is cold? Would a polar bear? Would it be factual to say the earth is flat? It was considered to be so at one time( I know old analogy)

. It would be factual to say that everyone who jumped off the Empire State building and hit the sidewalk has perished. But until one experinces it still dosent become real for the individual.

To deny something based on lack of experience isnt ignorance it's truth. To accept a matter to a fact based on probability or statistical data without experincing is ignorance and naiveté. Data exists to prove and disprove anything. Are dreams factual?

They can't be proven or disproven but they are real to the one who experiences them.

Three graduated 20 to 30 years ago. My uncle just retired, Aunt dosent practice anymore, other Aunt decided nursing sucks and now works in the Admin part of it which in her opinion sucks more since obamacare. The other 3 still practice but Im not sure when they graduated. Cousin just finished tour in military as a urologist, he graduated 6 yrs ago.

Concur, however not everyone can be a scientist, most are not smart enough. It is the destiny of some to remain poor and suffer which IMHO is life's way of firing you, which really sucks.

None of this is factual it is all just an opinion based on personal experinece and wisdom.

 

[2quills]

The Donald, called and said "you're all fired".
2 (just the messenger) Quills

 

[phixer]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/396967/spinning-my-wheels/20#post_3537400
Seth, can you incorporate your idea as an extra service provided through your dad's business? Maybe you guys can piggy back off each other in a way that will be mutually beneficial untill you're either ready to take over his stuff or break out on your own?
I hope I don't ever have to depend on the services of a heart surgeon with a C average lol.

Quills, you always have good comments... remember that thread about Doctors and tattoos?

https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/324650/tattoos-on-your-doctor-or-lawyer/60#post_3533005

Snake asked if one would patronize a MD that looked like these folks.

I have to ask then if skill as a cardio vascular surgeon is related to GPA or if GPA is just a measure of how well they played the popularity game? Is GPA the best measure of skill in the environment of the OR or only needed to get there. Is GPA better suited for university or the real world? For example; GPA dosent measure how someone will perform in real life scenarios or how they interact with people or their dexterity.

Also wondering because the same surgeon in Thailand, India (or pick any EU country) that was educated in the US normally receives about 50% less in pay, does this make them less skilled? Im sure some of them had great GPAs. So then pay must be a measure of skill or value to society? Why then are entertainers paid more than teachers? See where Im going with this... I've never seen a correlation between skill and GPA unless perhaps they are a professional scholar.

Does a good GPA make one a better physician in the same way good genetics makes one a good athelete? or is it a popular farce embraced by those
who drink the Koolaid? Im thinking Id rather take the surgeon with a C average and the best survival rate.

Just stirring the pot, I graduated 2nd in my class and am subordinate in skill to many with a lower GPA...always respect your opinion.

 

[2quills]

Quills, you always have good comments... remember that thread about Doctors and tattoos?
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/324650/tattoos-on-your-doctor-or-lawyer/60#post_3533005 
Snake asked if one would patronize a MD that looked like these folks.
I have to wonder then if skill as a cardio vascular surgeon is related to GPA or if the GPA just a measure of how well they played a different game?  Is GPA the best measure of skill in the environment of the OR  or only needed to get there.  Is GPA better suited for university or the real world?   GPA cant measure how someone will perform in real life scenarios or how they interact with people or dexterity.  
Also wondering because the same surgeon in Thailand, India (or pick any EU country) that was educated in the US normally receives about 50% less in pay, does this make them less skilled?   So then pay must be a measure of skill or value to society?   Why then are entertainers paid more than teachers?   See where Im going with this theory...  I dont see any relation to GPA to how skilled someone is outside of the classroom unless perhaps their field is research maybe.
Does a good GPA make one a better physician in the same way good genetics makes one a good athelete?   or is it a popular farce embraced by those
who drink the Koolaid?  Im thinking Id rather take the surgeon with a C average and the best survival rate.
Just stirring the pot...always respect your opinion.
It just depends on the field of work you're in. GPA is simply a measurement to gauge how effective a student one is. It can't quantity everything about that person but it is a good indicator of one's work ethic and skill at academics. But not all kids are cut out for academics and it takes all types to make this world go round.
In the real world you gauge worth by being effective at your craft which requires skill and IMO good work ethics. Pay generally reflects skill so you can put whatever value on it that you wish.
Not all entertainers are terribly skilled. But usually the most successful ones are and they work hard for it. The ones who let it all go to their head or fail to keep working for it generally lose it.

 

[beth]

This has jumped to how good is GPA in measuring the quality of one's work post university. My point was that GPA does certainly count in getting into competitive university programs here and now (not to compare with what was true 30 yrs ago). There are programs that will preclude you from getting in if your GPA is anything less than 3.5. And even a 3.5 is not a guarantee because if your student peers have greater then 3.5, then your 3.5 will not get you in. That was my point and in that context, GPA does matter.

 

[snakeblitz33]

Objection! Relevance?
I don't care about gpa and no one who is an employer in my field cares about it either. Can we get back to what is relevant to me? This is, after all, a thread about my own personal struggles in life.

 

[beth]

Gladly leave you to your topic then.

 

[phixer]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/396967/spinning-my-wheels/20#post_3537513
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phixer http:///t/396967/spinning-my-wheels/20#post_3537512
Quills, you always have good comments... remember that thread about Doctors and tattoos?
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/324650/tattoos-on-your-doctor-or-lawyer/60#post_3533005
Snake asked if one would patronize a MD that looked like these folks.
I have to wonder then if skill as a cardio vascular surgeon is related to GPA or if the GPA just a measure of how well they played a different game? Is GPA the best measure of skill in the environment of the OR or only needed to get there. Is GPA better suited for university or the real world? GPA cant measure how someone will perform in real life scenarios or how they interact with people or dexterity.
Also wondering because the same surgeon in Thailand, India (or pick any EU country) that was educated in the US normally receives about 50% less in pay, does this make them less skilled? So then pay must be a measure of skill or value to society? Why then are entertainers paid more than teachers? See where Im going with this theory... I dont see any relation to GPA to how skilled someone is outside of the classroom unless perhaps their field is research maybe.
Does a good GPA make one a better physician in the same way good genetics makes one a good athelete? or is it a popular farce embraced by those
who drink the Koolaid? Im thinking Id rather take the surgeon with a C average and the best survival rate.
Just stirring the pot...always respect your opinion.
It just depends on the field of work you're in. GPA is simply a measurement to gauge how effective a student one is. It can't quantity everything about that person but it is a good indicator of one's work ethic and skill at academics. But not all kids are cut out for academics and it takes all types to make this world go round.
In the real world you gauge worth by being effective at your craft which requires skill and IMO good work ethics. Pay generally reflects skill so you can put whatever value on it that you wish.
Not all entertainers are terribly skilled. But usually the most successful ones are and they work hard for it. The ones who let it all go to their head or fail to keep working for it generally lose it.
Aint that the truth.