spinning my wheels

[phixer]

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/396967/spinning-my-wheels/20#post_3537527
This has jumped to how good is GPA in measuring the quality of one's work post university. My point was that GPA does certainly count in getting into competitive university programs here and now (not to compare with what was true 30 yrs ago). There are programs that will preclude you from getting in if your GPA is anything less than 3.5. And even a 3.5 is not a guarantee because if your student peers have greater then 3.5, then your 3.5 will not get you in. That was my point and in that context, GPA does matter.
Since a high GPA is required to get in, does that mean that everyone with a high GPA will succeed and those with an average GPA will fail? Thats why it's highly discriminatory to use GPA alone as the litmus test for someone to be given an opportunity especially if their entrance scores qualify them for the program.
Not the same as the track team where speed alone is all that matters. Other examples of the same thing are insurance costs related to credit reports or male vs female wages.

Discrimination exists in many forms, denying someone an opportunity based on GPA alone is just one form of it.

 

[darthtang aw]

Since a high GPA is required to get in, does that mean that everyone with a high GPA will succeed and those with an average GPA will fail?     Thats why it's highly discriminatory to use GPA alone as the litmus test for someone to be given an opportunity especially if their entrance scores qualify them for the program.  
Not the same as the track team where speed alone is all that matters.    Other examples of the same thing are insurance costs related to credit reports or male vs female wages.  
Discrimination exists in many forms,  denying someone an opportunity based on GPA alone is just one form of it.
There is no discrepancy of male and female wages in the proffesional world. If one takes a closer look at it females work on average 500 hours less per year then men. This accounts for most of the "pay discrepancies".

 

[beaslbob]

Snake
FWIW I think you will find your own solutions to all this.
anything I would say would just interferr with that process.

 

[phixer]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/396967/spinning-my-wheels/40#post_3537608
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phixer http:///t/396967/spinning-my-wheels/30#post_3537594
Since a high GPA is required to get in, does that mean that everyone with a high GPA will succeed and those with an average GPA will fail? Thats why it's highly discriminatory to use GPA alone as the litmus test for someone to be given an opportunity especially if their entrance scores qualify them for the program.
Not the same as the track team where speed alone is all that matters. Other examples of the same thing are insurance costs related to credit reports or male vs female wages.
Discrimination exists in many forms, denying someone an opportunity based on GPA alone is just one form of it.
There is no discrepancy of male and female wages in the proffesional world. If one takes a closer look at it females work on average 500 hours less per year then men. This accounts for most of the "pay discrepancies".
I know that, but many females would disagree.

 

[2quills]

I know that, but many females would disagree. 
So what are you saying, they want more money for working less?
Many women are mothers who bare the children, take the kids to school, doctors appointments etc. So they work less hours over all and are less productive because of that. In most cases they still get to keep their jobs and even get maternity pay for it.
You telling me they still want more? Shocker lol.
Let the flaming begin.

 

[phixer]

"Many women are mothers who bare the children, take the kids to school, doctors appointments etc. So they work less hours over all and are less productive because of that. In most cases they still get to keep their jobs and even get maternity pay for it."

A reduced work week, maternity allowance and one year of non deployable status following delivery.

All I ever got was boot in the ice and told to get back to work!

Wage indifference has been going on forever. In the military the wages are equal so what you end up with is work inequality. Women get paid the same as men wether they deploy or not. Many choose to become pregnant (medical condition) to avoid deployments.

Since men dont have that option, they normally deploy at higher rate over 20 yrs. If a man tries to get out of a deployment for a medical condition it's known as malingering and punishable under the UCMJ.

 

[2quills]

"Many women are mothers who bare the children, take the kids to school, doctors appointments etc. So they work less hours over all and are less productive because of that. In most cases they still get to keep their jobs and even get maternity pay for it."
A reduced work week, maternity allowance and one year of non deployable status following delivery.  
All I ever got was boot in the ice and told to get back to work!
Wage indifference has been going on forever.    In the military the wages are equal so what you end up with is work inequality.   Women get paid the same as men wether they deploy or not.   Many choose to become pregnant (medical condition) to avoid deployments.   
Since men dont have that option, they normally deploy at higher rate over 20 yrs.  If a man tries to get out of a deployment for a medical condition it's known as malingering and punishable under the UCMJ. 
I suppose that if I ever had to drop something like that out of my body than it would be nice if somebody payed me for it too.
I can't really harp on women too much many of them are some of the best people I know. I don't doubt that inequality for them or anyone else has ever existed. But looking around now they are clearly huge assets to the business community. Between 1997-2007 the number of women business owners increased by 44%. They now account for about 30% of business owners in this country.
The girls are on fire right now. Once one see´s past the victim mentality it's sky's the limit.

 

[aggiealum]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/396967/spinning-my-wheels/40#post_3537608
There is no discrepancy of male and female wages in the proffesional world. If one takes a closer look at it females work on average 500 hours less per year then men. This accounts for most of the "pay discrepancies".
I assume this is some sort of sarcastic response. Ignorance is bliss:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/jobs-widest-pay-gaps-between-172615069.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/pay-gap-closing-women-pessimistic-study-article-1.1544559
http://www.catalyst.org/knowledge/womens-earnings-and-income
http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2022750168_paydisparityxml.html
https://www.stanford.edu/group/scspi/_media/pdf/key_issues/gender_research.pdf

Apparently you only read these ultra-conservative sites that are one step above the National Inquirer:

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/08/gender_pay_gap_the_familiar_line_that_women_make_77_cents_to_every_man_s.html

 

[aggiealum]

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/396967/spinning-my-wheels#post_3537144
In Louisiana, there is no tenure... so when you have a job, the job is not guaranteed past a certain point. most teachers in Louisiana quit after five years to pursue other career opportunities. starting salary for teachers in Louisiana is at minimum 24k and at max 32k, which is about as much as a secretary makes in other businesses, and they have to deal with a lot less. I could spend another 8k getting a degree and start at 24k a year once I get out, with a pay schedule that increases $500 per year thereafter until it meets the maximum of 54,500 a year in the career path that I am currently in. once the cap is reached, there is no improvement unless I get a masters or a doctorate. if I get a doctorate, my bachelors degree in education will limit me, and I already won't be able to teach community college or a university, without additional classes and coursework. it's an endless cycle.

I am a practical person. I like to get things done, not put things off, I have managed a few events in the past that dealt with hundreds of people... it's not like I don't have skills, I guess I just don't know how to market myself.

what do I enjoy doing? hmm, I like working with young people, I like to teach people new things. I like to do taxidermy work and some osteology - putting bones together to form the skeletons of critters, and bone preservation, I find that really neat. I really and truly enjoy aquatics and aquatic products, but my last foray into that field was a complete failure. I really enjoy photography, and it's becoming a very interesting hobby of mine. the problem with that is that there are way too many amateur photographers out there (like me) willing to give their services away for practically nothing.

No, I don't want to move. my family is here and my wife's family is here and I don't think I could talk my wife into moving anywhere unless they come with us. lol. I just don't know anymore what I truly want - on one hand, I can complete my degree as a teacher and be a teacher and hate doing it... not because of the kids, but because of the parents and the flawed system of education we have now. On the other hand, I can quit school, find a decent paying job or continue to work for my dad and inherit his business in a couple of years doing taxidermy work. I wanted a degree so that I had some job security, but there are college graduates out there that can't even find work.
Have you thought about relocating to a different state where teacher salaries are more abundant? My niece is an elementary teacher here in Houston. Been doing it for 5 years. She makes a little over $48K/year, and all she has is a BA.

http://www.houstonisd.org/cms/lib2/TX01001591/Centricity/Domain/16074/2013-2014%20Teacher%20Salary%20Schedule.pdf

 

[beaslbob]

Look what happens is they take the median wages for male and female workers then state see women made 65% (or whatever of men). Absolutely correct.

But I had seen studies that when you look at wages and consider the entire circumstance that difference goes away.

for instance nurses make much less then doctors. But when you look at man and women nurses and men and women doctors the wages are equal.

We have a grand daughter who said all through high school she was gonna be a dentist. Took no math at all one year and no physics or chemistry. Got like 15-17 and the ACT test. Took 4+ years to get a 2 year technical degree using pell grants and is now a med tech at $10.00/ hour starting.

But all that does not mean that because she is a gal and guys got much better paying paying jobs, the reason was because she's a gal and they're guys.


But don't expect the mantra that women are under paid to stop any time soon. Many many votes result from fueling the fears of prejudice and bigotry

my .02

 

[darthtang aw]

I assume this is some sort of sarcastic response.  Ignorance is bliss:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/jobs-widest-pay-gaps-between-172615069.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/pay-gap-closing-women-pessimistic-study-article-1.1544559
http://www.catalyst.org/knowledge/womens-earnings-and-income
http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2022750168_paydisparityxml.html
https://www.stanford.edu/group/scspi/_media/pdf/key_issues/gender_research.pdf
Apparently you only read these ultra-conservative sites that are one step above the National Inquirer:
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/08/gender_pay_gap_the_familiar_line_that_women_make_77_cents_to_every_man_s.html
There is no such gap when the women and men are in the same occupation, with the same skills, experience, education, hours of work and continuous years of full-time work.
I will see your five links and raise you one liberal huffington post link.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-gap_b_2073804.html

 

[darthtang aw]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/04/16/its-time-that-we-end-the-equal-pay-myth/

 

[darthtang aw]

Have you thought about relocating to a different state where teacher salaries are more abundant?  My niece is an elementary teacher here in Houston.  Been doing it for 5 years.  She makes a little over $48K/year, and all she has is a BA.
http://www.houstonisd.org/cms/lib2/TX01001591/Centricity/Domain/16074/2013-2014%20Teacher%20Salary%20Schedule.pdf
Pretty sure the words, "No I don't want to move." summed that up pretty good.
Darth (seeing eye dog) tang

 

[2quills]

Sometimes that can be a bit of a catch 22 anyways. Higher salary doesn't always mean much if your cost of living goes way up.
But Texas, is probably gearing up to hire many teachers here soon. They are hiring in our area but they are looking for people with bilingual skills mostly. Many across the state who were gearing up to retire when the recession hit decided to stay in a while longer. Now many of these teachers are on the verge of retiring for real.

 

[aggiealum]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/396967/spinning-my-wheels/40#post_3537827
Pretty sure the words, "No I don't want to move." summed that up pretty good.
Darth (seeing eye dog) tang
Guess I missed that part. Then the answer is "you reap what you sew".

On that note Snake, did you research the pay scales in regards to the average teacher salaries in your area before you made a sort of commitment of gearing your education towards that career path? Sorry to say, it appears that if you don't want to relocate for the sake of staying close to your family, then you have to accept whatever alternatives there are by living wherever you do in Louisiana. It's a four hour drive or less from Houston to Baton Rouge. From what you posted, you and your wife could both double your salaries simply by sacrificing your family interactions to trips home on the weekends. You could move to Beaumont, which would cut that drive around an hour and half, and start making $41K/year.

http://www.bmtisd.com/files/110/

Not sure what else to tell you. If family comes before financial success, then you obviously know your priorities and simply accept the consequences.

 

[darthtang aw]

Guess I missed that part.  Then the answer is "you reap what you sew".
On that note Snake, did you research the pay scales in regards to the average teacher salaries in your area before you made a sort of commitment of gearing your education towards that career path?  Sorry to say, it appears that if you don't want to relocate for the sake of staying close to your family, then you have to accept whatever alternatives there are by living wherever you do in Louisiana.  It's a four hour drive or less from Houston to Baton Rouge.  From what you posted, you and your wife could both double your salaries simply by sacrificing your family interactions to trips home on the weekends.  You could move to Beaumont, which would cut that drive around an hour and half, and start making $41K/year.
http://www.bmtisd.com/files/110/
Not sure what else to tell you.  If family comes before financial success, then you obviously know your priorities and simply accept the consequences.
It isn't the pay scale he so much has an issue with. When he started down this path he was told he only needed to finish 2 more years of school (or roughly that amount). Now that he is almost done, he is being told he will need almost 2 more years. This is where the financial hardship comes in. It isn't the career choice for his area. It is a decision if the 2 more years of no income is worth it now.

 

[phixer]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/396967/spinning-my-wheels/40#post_3537813
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phixer http:///t/396967/spinning-my-wheels/40#post_3537812
"Many women are mothers who bare the children, take the kids to school, doctors appointments etc. So they work less hours over all and are less productive because of that. In most cases they still get to keep their jobs and even get maternity pay for it."
A reduced work week, maternity allowance and one year of non deployable status following delivery.
All I ever got was boot in the ice and told to get back to work!
Wage indifference has been going on forever. In the military the wages are equal so what you end up with is work inequality. Women get paid the same as men wether they deploy or not. Many choose to become pregnant (medical condition) to avoid deployments.
Since men dont have that option, they normally deploy at higher rate over 20 yrs. If a man tries to get out of a deployment for a medical condition it's known as malingering and punishable under the UCMJ.
I suppose that if I ever had to drop something like that out of my body than it would be nice if somebody payed me for it too.
I can't really harp on women too much many of them are some of the best people I know. I don't doubt that inequality for them or anyone else has ever existed. But looking around now they are clearly huge assets to the business community. Between 1997-2007 the number of women business owners increased by 44%. They now account for about 30% of business owners in this country.
The girls are on fire right now. Once one see´s past the victim mentality it's sky's the limit.
Concur , my Mother is a woman, but a conscientious choice to become one.

Did you know the new CEOs of HP, Yahoo and IBM are all women? Unfortunately each of these companies has tanked and is shrinking since they took over. So much for the theory that women are better in business.

Since I have no brothers or sons I hope your right.

 

[phixer]

Quote:
Originally Posted by AggieAlum http:///t/396967/spinning-my-wheels/40#post_3537814
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/396967/spinning-my-wheels/40#post_3537608
There is no discrepancy of male and female wages in the proffesional world. If one takes a closer look at it females work on average 500 hours less per year then men. This accounts for most of the "pay discrepancies".
I assume this is some sort of sarcastic response. Ignorance is bliss:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/jobs-widest-pay-gaps-between-172615069.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/pay-gap-closing-women-pessimistic-study-article-1.1544559
http://www.catalyst.org/knowledge/womens-earnings-and-income
http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2022750168_paydisparityxml.html
https://www.stanford.edu/group/scspi/_media/pdf/key_issues/gender_research.pdf

Apparently you only read these ultra-conservative sites that are one step above the National Inquirer:

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/08/gender_pay_gap_the_familiar_line_that_women_make_77_cents_to_every_man_s.html

What....? sarcasm... around here... blasphemy.... Oh by the way my next door neighbor saw Elvis yesterday, here's proof:

http://elvissightingsociety.org/

and my Cat's psychic, here's proof:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread787893/pg1

and...

Al Gore did invent the internet, (oh no,

it's the "ultra-liberal" Washington compost... must be true).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/11/04/a-cautionary-tale-for-politicians-al-gore-and-the-invention-of-the-internet/

Reality is always based on personal experience. Did we really go to the moon or was it just the Truman show?
..."It rubs the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again."

 

[aggiealum]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/396967/spinning-my-wheels/40#post_3537839
It isn't the pay scale he so much has an issue with. When he started down this path he was told he only needed to finish 2 more years of school (or roughly that amount). Now that he is almost done, he is being told he will need almost 2 more years. This is where the financial hardship comes in. It isn't the career choice for his area. It is a decision if the 2 more years of no income is worth it now.
It isn't the pay scale?

"In Louisiana, there is no tenure... so when you have a job, the job is not guaranteed past a certain point. most teachers in Louisiana quit after five years to pursue other career opportunities. starting salary for teachers in Louisiana is at minimum 24k and at max 32k, which is about as much as a secretary makes in other businesses, and they have to deal with a lot less. I could spend another 8k getting a degree and start at 24k a year once I get out, with a pay schedule that increases $500 per year thereafter until it meets the maximum of 54,500 a year in the career path that I am currently in. once the cap is reached, there is no improvement unless I get a masters or a doctorate. if I get a doctorate, my bachelors degree in education will limit me, and I already won't be able to teach community college or a university, without additional classes and coursework. it's an endless cycle."

I'm also confused how someone could have 130 hours of college credits and not have some type of degree, whether it's in Education, Liberal Arts, or whatever initial degree he's been pursuing. Where was the advisor in all of this from the get go? When both my daughters started college, they sat down with an advisor and went semester-to-semester for the first four years of the college career, detailing specifically what classes they needed to take in order to obtain the degree in the field they wanted to work in. The first two years are nothing more than Core classes that practically every college student takes regardless what they want to major in. When it comes to start taking those upper-level courses, the advisors are supposed to steer the student in the right direction as far as taking the correct classes to finish their degree. Granted, I've seen people change course and want to go a different career path during their Junior year of college, but they have the hindsight of knowing what hours won't apply for that change prior to making the switch. Every degree plan is spelled out from the start. College administrators can't modify those degree plans simply because some individual chose to take courses that didn't apply to them.

 

[darthtang aw]

Sort of a rant thread. If you don't like reading rants, then skip it. If you don't have anything nice to say, leave me alone.
I have been in college off and on since 2006. I have a family since then and them to think about. I thought that since I have over 130 hours of college coursework behind me, that I could possibly switch to general studies with a concentration in biology and graduate this coming May. Taking the easy way out would mean that I could get into a masters program and start teaching and earning an actual income, finally.
So, today I met with a general studies advisor for my college and we went through my courses and I found out that of the 130+ hours that I have taken, only 75 hours count towards a general studies degree and I would actually be further behind in my studies if I switched to a GENERAL degree. If I stay on the track that I am now, I only have 31 hours of coursework to complete - adding up to about a year and a half of work.
I am sick of always being "almost there" with my education. It always seems that there is yet another obstacle in my way of getting a degree. I was told when I came back that I would have two years of education left and I would be done. two years is over with, now I have another year and a half!
I am retaking genetics again this semester, and I have to pass it this time, there are no re-do's. I just feel completely overwhelmed about it all right now, and just want to quit and go live in a cave in the woods. If only I could afford the land the cave is on, and the property taxes and fees and cost of living associated with it. bah!
I am generally a good guy. I try not to piss anyone off, I play by the rules, I try to do what is right and try to keep my wife and daughter happy with their lives. It just always seems like I can't get ahead,... it seems like wealth and happiness comes so naturally to other people, why can't my hard work pay off?
I am not sure if I even want to teach anymore either. I am so close to a degree and it's only a year and a half, but I honestly really don't know if I want to do that for a living. My wife is a first grade teacher and she is about to pull her hair out because of the system... and wants to go back and get her masters... when I can't even get a decent job or know what I want to do????!!!!!! I guess it's all part of growing up and getting older and having kids, but it also seems like everyone else is so much better at life and I suck at it.
Woah is me. Woah is me, my life is terrible and no one elses is... I understand that may not be the case... many people hate their jobs... but honestly, I just wish I had a job to hate.
I guess you missed the part he was originally ranting about. The teaching salary only came up after Beth asked. So the question seems to be is it worth another year and a half after he was told two years would be good enough.