Starting my cycling today on my 85 gallon tank

pfcbizz

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Ok, I was reading online different methods of cycling a salwater tank, and one of the methods is with LS & LR, and another way to cycle is with raw shrimp, so if I have raw shrimp in my tank already why would I go buy LR & LS if it's not needed ? and it will take the same amount of time for both methods to work, I don't understand why people say you can't really cycle the tank without LS & LR because if its said you can somebody is LIEING I'm confused.
 

travelerjp98

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Originally Posted by pfcbizz http:///t/388846/starting-my-cycling-today-on-my-85-gallon-tank/40#post_3433487
Ok, I was reading online different methods of cycling a salwater tank, and one of the methods is with LS & LR, and another way to cycle is with raw shrimp, so if I have raw shrimp in my tank already why would I go buy LR & LS if it's not needed ? and it will take the same amount of time for both methods to work, I don't understand why people say you can't really cycle the tank without LS & LR because if its said you can somebody is LIEING I'm confused.
Your getting yourself confused.....
You need both. There is no "this" or "that". It's both...
LR and LS are crucial.
 

pfcbizz

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Originally Posted by pfcbizz http:///t/388846/starting-my-cycling-today-on-my-85-gallon-tank/40#post_3433487
Ok, I was reading online different methods of cycling a salwater tank, and one of the methods is with LS & LR, and another way to cycle is with raw shrimp, so if I have raw shrimp in my tank already why would I go buy LR & LS if it's not needed ? and it will take the same amount of time for both methods to work, I don't understand why people say you can't really cycle the tank without LS & LR because if its said you can somebody is LIEING I'm confused.


Cycling a Saltwater Marine Aquarium

Unlike most freshwater fish, saltwater fish are very sensitive to water quality and the presence of chemicals such as ammonia and nitrites. As a result, it is a bad idea to set up a saltwater aquarium in one day and toss fish into it. Some fish might survive, but there is a good chance that they won't.
When a new saltwater tank is set up, it must provide for the filtration of the ammonia from fish waste. This is accomplished by seeding the water with bacteria that will convert the ammonia to nitrites and, from there, to nitrates. These bacteria won't be present in fresh saltwater that is made from a mix, however.
Where can you get this bacteria? Some people put a hardy fish such as a damselfish into the aquarium, triggering a cycle, but not without subjecting the fish to poor water quality and suffering. A more humane way to cycle the aquarium is by using one of the fishless methods. The more expensive, but more effective, route involves purchasing "live" rock and/or sand and placing it in the aquarium. The needed bacteria will be provided by the rock and will cycle the aquarium to fish-ready status within 4-6 weeks in most cases. If you are too cheap for live rock or sand, you can also put a raw shrimp in the water for a few days, then let the aquarium sit for the 4-6 weeks.
How do you know your aquarium is cycling? The only way to know for sure is to get test kits for ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates. Take measurements every day or two and record the values in a notebook. You should see a large spike in ammonia levels, which then goes to zero as the nitrites spike. The nitrite spike should then drop to zero as the nitrates spike. After the level of nitrates drops, your tank should be cycled and fish ready. Many aquarists choose to do a large water change at this point to get rid of any foul remnants from the cycling process.
What is going on during these spikes? The ammonia spike encourages the growth of a certain type of bacteria that breaks it down into nitrites. The spike in nitrites encourages the growth of another type of bacteria that breaks it down into nitrates. These different types of bacteria are a key to a healthy aquarium that will effectively eliminate chemicals that would otherwise harm your fish.
Some companies have begun offering packets of bacteria that can be dumped into the aquarium to cycle it in a matter of days, as opposed to the typical weeks. Some people have reported success using this method, although it is not the most popular and has also received negative reviews. It is certainly not as natural as cycling with live rock and sand, but some people may find it more to their liking.
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pfcbizz

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Like I said I'm new and I want to know as much as I can for alot of reasons but the most is so I'm not throwing away money buy not doing things right or spending money on stuff I don't or didn't need to achieve my goal of a healthy cycled tank, but if I need LS & LR then I need it but I just wonder. and I do appreicate any and all advise.
 

pfcbizz

Member
and now I have also read there are 6 stages to cycling not just 3 wow this is wild but interesting I think before I add fish to my tank I'm gonna be a expert, Lol
 

florida joe

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Ok this is my opinion; take it for what it’s worth. First you need to start with the understanding of the nitrogen cycle. Basically it is the cycle of organic material from ammonia to nitrites to nitrates and then nitrogen gas. Without this conversion we could not maintain our tanks. I am sure you know why.
Now we need to understand what our particular definition of live rock and live sand. In this hobby we consider live rock and live sand to harbor critters algae and nitrifying and denitrifying bacteria. The algae we can see. The critters we may or may not see and we cannot see the bacteria. So there is no guarantee when you buy the rock or sand that you are getting bacteria or critters.
To cycle a new tank we need to introduce something organic to break down and start the nitrogen cycle. We do this by introducing a raw shrimp. OR if we get die off from the live rock or sand.
SOOOOO. Do you need shrimp to start a cycle? NO but you can use them. Do you need live rock and sand to start a cycle NO but you can if you have die off.
Digest the above and we will continue from here
 

pfcbizz

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Lol, Ok I'm not disagreeing with either one of you, I just like to research everything I can and came across that article and said to myself Damn how many different ways is it and what is it I really need to do what I need to do, and so I thought I'd run it passed you guys here and see what ya'll had to say, but i went to my LFS today and bought a nice piece of Fuji LR and sat and talked with my new friend for about a hour about this and he broke it down also and now I have a better understanding, everyone does things in a different manner I guess and as I said I'm new to saltwater and I want to get on you guys level and I'm a person that doesn't believe everything I hear or read so I keep diggin to see who many people are on the same page because I know everyone can't be telling the same lie, Lol, and I will be hitting ya'll up more and more for advise as I grow in the saltwater game, so thank you for even taken time to give advise and your opinions.
 

pfcbizz

Member
Ok, see I told you I'd beasking more questions, I took a ammonia reading today and got no reading, WHY ? now my new friend at the LFS said I should take another reading in a couple days what do ya'll think ?
 

florida joe

Well-Known Member
NO THE MOST IS SO YOU ARE NOT KILLING LIVE STOCK now just sit on your hands and take an
Ammonia reading Friday
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but the most is so I'm not throwing away money
 

teresaq

Active Member
That is one thing about this hobby, there is no exacts. Not everyone does it the same. There are many who use only raw uncured live rock, there are many who use nothing but base rock. Both ways are right, you just have to pick the best for you. I have always used both live and dead. The small amount of live introduces critters good and bad that you would not get with just base rock.
Welcome to the wonderful world of saltwater
T
 

symonsay

New Member
I just put a few drops of ammonia and wait until it start going down, that's what i did in my FW tank and is what i'm doing with the SW tank.
 
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