Sump/Refuge return flowrate help plz

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smt91278

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Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2802325
There are quite a few threads on here with DIY PVC OF's. They have been around for quite some time. Many use them and reportedly they work pretty well. You CAN and MANY DO use ball valves on the drains, however this would be with a built in OF, coast to coast, baffles whatever, but not a HOB or DIY PVC. It's a different concept that has been around for a long time. It works, and some use it flawlessly, but IMO a back up is beneficial, google "Herbie Style Drain". for more on these things. There is no point in trying to control the drain, let what the pump delivers be the control.
To roughly determine how much room to leave in a sump/fuge find the estimated backwash. I usually allow 2 in of the DT's height for backwash. To fing this then, HxWxL /.231=gallons
so plug in your measurements using 2 as the height. Now this is youir estimated backwash, leave at least enough room in the sump to allow for this. However, you dont have to just leave this amount. If youer backwash calculates to say 4.5 gallons, and your desired water level leaves 10 gallons, great!. It is recommended to install the sump fill it with the desired water level while running, then add a little under your estimated backwash. start up and let it circulate, adding more SW if needed to run properly. BUT don't add so much that shut down floods. Now when you have it operating just right, shut it down and be sure that it doesn't flood. If everything was done correctly, then you WONT FLOOD PERIOD.
Dont worry too much about very short (hour or less) power outages. You will usually be OK for quite a while without power. (couple hours) Unless you are very heavily loaded, or have some other scenarios that might be an issue, like exposure to heat/cold. For extended periods, you can use an inverter/battery set, a portable backup generator, or a standby generator. Either of these methods will get you through practically any emergency sceneario involving power outages.
johnyd, what is your point here? Why would you post basically suggesting to someone to utilize an inferior filtration? I spilled more water using my filstar canister filter than I have ever spilled using my sump/fuge.

here's my question on calculating backwash. if i use 2" for my height and my tank is 90gal. my tank measurements would equal 2x18x48/.231. using this equation i'd have 399gal of backwash. i have to be pluggin these numbers in wrong somehow. are u supposed to multiply HxWxL and divide by .231????
 
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smt91278

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Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2804024
My bad, divide by 231.......=7.48 gal.

without mixing water in gallon containers, there isn't really an easy way of figureing how much water is 7.48 gallons. usually i take my 5 gallon bucket, some water and salt, and measure SG until its where i want it. (not keeping track of how many gallons i've just mixed.
 

wattsupdoc

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I'm not sure whether or not I know what your talking about there. Use the same calculation on your sump/fuge to allow for room in it. so if for instance you were using a 29 gallon which measures 30 x 15 x15 and you needed to leave 7.48 gallons of space then you could first of all find out how much 1 in of depth gives you...30 X 15 /231...==1.94 gallons so now divide 7.48 by 1.94...=3.85 that's how much room you need to allow.
 
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smt91278

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Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/2805106
I'm not sure whether or not I know what your talking about there. Use the same calculation on your sump/fuge to allow for room in it. so if for instance you were using a 29 gallon which measures 30 x 15 x15 and you needed to leave 7.48 gallons of space then you could first of all find out how much 1 in of depth gives you...30 X 15 /231...==1.94 gallons so now divide 7.48 by 1.94...=3.85 that's how much room you need to allow.
ok, ive got a 26 gallon rubbermaid tub im using as my sump. it measures 26X18x13. im trying to figure out how many inches from the top of the sump, i need to leave for backwash. so if i have 7.48 gallons of backwash, how many inches of water will that take up in my sump?
i'd also like to know where you came up with this handy dandy formula for figuring backwash??
 
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smt91278

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Or, i could just take the tub, fill it with tap water to the top, then use a gallon jug and take out 7.5 gallons, from the tub. Make a mark on the side of the tub, and waaalaaaa, there's how high i can fill the sump initally.
 

wattsupdoc

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Originally Posted by smt91278
http:///forum/post/2805223
ok, ive got a 26 gallon rubbermaid tub im using as my sump. it measures 26X18x13. im trying to figure out how many inches from the top of the sump, i need to leave for backwash. so if i have 7.48 gallons of backwash, how many inches of water will that take up in my sump?
i'd also like to know where you came up with this handy dandy formula for figuring backwash??
Which measurement is the height?
 

wattsupdoc

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26X18/231= 2.02
7.48/2.02 = 3.70
Dont fill it any closer than 4in from the top. Actually I would recomend being a little lower than that if possible, to prevent salt creep and spary from splatter. Fill it to 8in at the most.
 
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