Sure sign your policy needs a revamp

[darthtang aw]

As with everything, Crimea is all about the oil. 7 million tons a year. If Crimea is russian territory that kills a billion dollar deal with exxon and Royal dutch shell. That deal is currently on hold.
couple the fact Russia pays 98 million to Ukraine for the port in crimea each year.
Let me ask this. If the population of Alaska voted to leave the U.S. and join Canada, should we allow it? In a sense this is a similar situation for the Ukraine.

 

[2quills]

There is talk about exporting natural gas to Europe, which is what I think they are now getting from Russia?  I'm not in favor of raising our own fuel prices so that we can have greater influence overseas.  The electricity we get in my city comes from natural gas plant.  Raising fuel prices will across the board effect our economy as costs on everything raise.  I don't see that as a plus for the economy.  Americans are strapped as it is.  At the end of the day, is our primary goal to globalize the world with the USA at its head?
In any event, the USA can not supply Europe with nat. gas any time soon since there is not infrastructure for it.  So, there is no foreseeable solution in the near future.
Frankly, I don't believe Russia is planning any more incursions into the Ukraine.  They probably would not have incurred into the Crimea if not for the West meddling into the progressive Kiev political movement (heavily influence and driven by the West)  and subsequent takeover of the government by volatile mobs and their political leaders (the country's opposing hard right factions).
As for the downward spiral of Russia's population rate, that is why Russia has implement what it considers anti-family (anti-gay) laws.  They have also stopped overseas adoptions of Russian orphans, particularly to the USA.  They probably need to curb alcoholism in their country and encourage young women not to seek viable mates outside of their country due to the slim alcohol-sodden pickings in their own country.
lol yeah. If you can get Darth to agree to it. I think he mentioned he liked the convenience of ordering Russians.
There's talk. But american oil companies aren't terribly interested in selling to European nations. Asia is such a hot market for us private companies would rather sell there. But yes, in the near future I think it would be better for Canada to move that way vs us. Canada is itching to sell some product. And we really don't want that dirty oil anyway.
Agreed, with the others in terms of all the waste. In our rush to get oil most of that gas gets wasted because they simply aren't efficient at catching both at the same time. It's burned off so that it doesn't all get releases into the surrounding environment.
Russia is going to shoot themselves in the foot is my prediction. I just would like to see the keystone pipeline approved. Means more growth for us down here. Probably selfish of me to wish for such things though.

 

[darthtang aw]

lol yeah. If you can get Darth to agree to it. I think he mentioned he liked the convenience of ordering Russians.
You hit your head, didn't you.
Darth (women aren't ever convenient) Tang

 

[beth]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/397376/sure-sign-your-policy-needs-a-revamp/40#post_3541827
As with everything, Crimea is all about the oil. 7 million tons a year. If Crimea is russian territory that kills a billion dollar deal with exxon and Royal dutch shell. That deal is currently on hold.
couple the fact Russia pays 98 million to Ukraine for the port in crimea each year.
Let me ask this. If the population of Alaska voted to leave the U.S. and join Canada, should we allow it? In a sense this is a similar situation for the Ukraine.
If our government was taken over by a rioting rabble at the capital, then, yeah, I do think each and every state in the USA has an obligation to defend their individual right to govern and make decisions about what should happen. Crimea, on the other hand has more autonomy then do our states. They have their own head of government and their own parliament. That head and that parliament voted to involve Russia and then they voted to secede and then they allowed the Crimean people to vote. All without violence of any kind or government take-overs by volatile mobs.

No one in Ukraine ever got the chance to vote about the presidency as pro-EU protestors and rioters commenced a revolution in Kiev because Yanukovych rejected an agreement between the EU and Ukraine. The Kiev rabble rioters took control of the city and government buildings and decided that the elected government needed to go and be replaced with who they appointed. It should be noted that rioting and government take over was a Kiev phenomena, not a nation-wide occurrence.

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]t is not clear that the hasty February 22 vote upholds constitutional guidelines, which call for a review of the case by Ukraine's Constitutional Court and a three-fourths majority vote by the Verkhovna Rada -- i.e., 338 lawmakers

http://www.rferl.org/content/was-yanukovychs-ouster-constitutional/25274346.html
Now going to what I said previously about the new unelected government dismissing constitutional judges left and right.....I think the picture becomes clear.

 

[beth]

You can see from this map the interest that Russia has in the Ukraine, and the potential explosion that this crisis could become. I don't think Russia will attempt to grab more of the Ukraine due to the war-backlash that would surely follow. However, Russia does have Europe by the cojones so to speak, but Ukraine could be disruptive if they choose to be and they could start WW3 just by cutting off pipelines.

 

[darthtang aw]

I get what you are saying beth, but I don't think it is as totally corrupt as some make it out to be. Atleast not according to Ukraine news reporting.

 

[reefraff]

I think Russia will go after more territory so they'll have land access to the area they've taken already

 

[beth]

They will have access regardless. If Ukraine gives Russia a problem, they could easily cut off their fuel supply. No one Europe is going to provoke that. And I don't blame them.

 

[reefraff]

I don't think Europe is cowardly enough to not support the Ukraine not allowing Russia to cross their land to access the Territory stolen from it by the Russians.

 

[darthtang aw]

Jews in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk where pro-Russian militants have taken over government buildings were told they have to "register" with the Ukrainians who are trying to make the city become part of Russia, according to Israeli media.
Jews emerging from a synagogue say they were handed leaflets that ordered the city's Jews to provide a list of property they own and pay a registration fee "or else have their citizenship revoked, face deportation and see their assets confiscated," reported Ynet News, Israel's largest news website.
The leaflet begins, "Dear Ukraine citizens of Jewish nationality," and states that all people of Jewish descent over 16 years old must report to the Commissioner for Nationalities in the Donetsk Regional Administration building and "register."
It says the reason is because the leaders of the Jewish community of Ukraine supported Bendery Junta, a reference to Stepan Bandera, the leader of the Ukrainian nationalist movement that fought for Ukrainian independence at the end of World War II, "and oppose the pro-Slavic People's Republic of Donetsk," a name adopted by the militant leadership.

 

[reefraff]

Pretty sure that's the last thing Putin wants them doing.

 

[bang guy]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/397376/sure-sign-your-policy-needs-a-revamp/40#post_3543667
Jews in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk where pro-Russian militants have taken over government buildings were told they have to "register" with the Ukrainians who are trying to make the city become part of Russia, according to Israeli media.
Jews emerging from a synagogue say they were handed leaflets that ordered the city's Jews to provide a list of property they own and pay a registration fee "or else have their citizenship revoked, face deportation and see their assets confiscated," reported Ynet News, Israel's largest news website.
The leaflet begins, "Dear Ukraine citizens of Jewish nationality," and states that all people of Jewish descent over 16 years old must report to the Commissioner for Nationalities in the Donetsk Regional Administration building and "register."
It says the reason is because the leaders of the Jewish community of Ukraine supported Bendery Junta, a reference to Stepan Bandera, the leader of the Ukrainian nationalist movement that fought for Ukrainian independence at the end of World War II, "and oppose the pro-Slavic People's Republic of Donetsk," a name adopted by the militant leadership.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/ukraine.asp

 

[reefraff]

Yeah, I am betting it's one idiot who thinks he's in power.

 

[darthtang aw]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/ukraine.asp
Good! Sort of.