Tang Police please ignore
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jerthunter
Active Member
I really don't think you would get any enjoyment out of having a tang in a 30 gal tank. Every yellow tang I have seen has been what I would describe as jumpy. They seem to like to swim fast in sudden bursts of energy even when small. I know I don't get any enjoyment out of watching tangs spaz out in tiny fish store tanks. So even if you don't care much about the tang's well being you might want to reconsider just based on your own enjoyment.
1journeyman
Active Member
You could just have easily asked a question like:
Should I have voted for President Bush in 2004? And please, all Republicans avoid responding...
You're asking a "yes" or "no" question; then you exclude anyone who will answer "no".
Why?
Every book I've read in this hobby says the answer is "no" to your question. If that helps..
Should I have voted for President Bush in 2004? And please, all Republicans avoid responding...
You're asking a "yes" or "no" question; then you exclude anyone who will answer "no".
Why?
Every book I've read in this hobby says the answer is "no" to your question. If that helps..
scubadoo
Active Member
The issue is fish can SURVIVE in systems that are too samll for the species. Some may SURVIVE longer than others.
Also, once a fish show signs of stress they may not SURVIVE a move to an adequate home. I am unaware of any formula that can calculate the exact time before stress sets in due to cramped quarters.
Also, once a fish show signs of stress they may not SURVIVE a move to an adequate home. I am unaware of any formula that can calculate the exact time before stress sets in due to cramped quarters.
merredeth
Active Member
Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
The issue is fish can SURVIVE in systems that are too samll for the species. Some may SURVIVE longer than others.
Also, once a fish show signs of stress they may not SURVIVE a move to an adequate home. I am unaware of any formula that can calculate the exact time before stress sets in due to cramped quarters.
Hey Scuba.... I agree with you on this one.
Hopefully, the person who posed this question reads the following...
Once stress is created for our fish, there is also no guarantee that they are healthy enough to deal with the effects that stress have on them.
Really though, it is no different from a person - we all can handle only so much stress. Place enough stress on a person and they experience mental meltdowns, heart attacks and etc. Why intentionally impose stress on creatures that we take on the responsibility to care for to begin with? Fish can't deal with too much stress any easier than a person's own health can deal with it without suffering somewhere a long the way.
A 30 gallon for a tang is just cruel, not to mention foolish.
That would be like me living in a 400 square foot apartment complete with 130 & 210 gallon fish tanks, a bed, dining room set, big screen televion, a dressing table, king sized waterbed, dresser, and my kid's bedroom things a long with two black labs. There would be no place for me, my family of four and our dogs to move around without suffering for someone.
Denise M.
The issue is fish can SURVIVE in systems that are too samll for the species. Some may SURVIVE longer than others.
Also, once a fish show signs of stress they may not SURVIVE a move to an adequate home. I am unaware of any formula that can calculate the exact time before stress sets in due to cramped quarters.
Hey Scuba.... I agree with you on this one.
Hopefully, the person who posed this question reads the following...
Once stress is created for our fish, there is also no guarantee that they are healthy enough to deal with the effects that stress have on them.
Really though, it is no different from a person - we all can handle only so much stress. Place enough stress on a person and they experience mental meltdowns, heart attacks and etc. Why intentionally impose stress on creatures that we take on the responsibility to care for to begin with? Fish can't deal with too much stress any easier than a person's own health can deal with it without suffering somewhere a long the way.
A 30 gallon for a tang is just cruel, not to mention foolish.
That would be like me living in a 400 square foot apartment complete with 130 & 210 gallon fish tanks, a bed, dining room set, big screen televion, a dressing table, king sized waterbed, dresser, and my kid's bedroom things a long with two black labs. There would be no place for me, my family of four and our dogs to move around without suffering for someone.
Denise M.
gilligan50
Member
Again thank you to all those that did not include rhetoric (sp?) in their posts, some very good points of view to consider. I originally put no tang police b/c I didn't want many people that did respond responding. No, not to hear that I am right, but b/c you get enflamed, I didn't say I was running out and buying one, I was just kicking the idea around and know a couple of people who have tangs in smaller systems and have for about a year. I know most of the common knowledge but there are all sorts of things being learned and created in this hobby everyday and just didn't know if i was missing some info. Also, sorry I wasn't able to be on the board all day, currenlty a law student and work at a firm. Finally, there are a core group of you that seem to think you are smarter than others, which I highly doubt, even within this hobby, so again, because I have been successful keeping a system and have done a lot of research on marine life from a young age, I was trying to keep the know it all condescending posters from this link with the "no tang police" guess I should have realized I would be inviting some huh? Well thanks again for the intelligent friendly comments, probably not going to go with the yellow tang......................................I think I'll buy a powder blue
1journeyman
Active Member
Originally Posted by gilligan50
so again, because I have been successful keeping a system and have done a lot of research on marine life from a young age....
If that is the case then you understand the true issues of keeping Tangs in a small aquarium.
so again, because I have been successful keeping a system and have done a lot of research on marine life from a young age....
If that is the case then you understand the true issues of keeping Tangs in a small aquarium.
mitzel
Active Member
I don't understand how you can study aquatics from a young age And yet still confuse the Diferent kinds of needs for fish . I see this a lot on the forums lately where people are claiming as to the advancements in this hobby. Yes the thecnolege is far suppierior to what it was ten years ago. But that doesn't mean we have changed the physical needs of the fish. A open swimmer still needs a lot of room to swim in no mater what kind of filtartion/lighting advancments we make . And this is where the TANG POLICE are in the right . I read post after post about people wanting to add open swiming fish or larger spieces in small tanks and their only concern or argument for doing so is the advancemnts in the tech dept , then there only other corse of action is to call names and argue with no real concrete facts to back it up.
and for the record I'm no " expert " just a conciences fish keeper.
and for the record I'm no " expert " just a conciences fish keeper.
scubadoo
Active Member
Originally Posted by gilligan50
Again thank you to all those that did not include rhetoric (sp?) in their posts, some very good points of view to consider. I originally put no tang police b/c I didn't want many people that did respond responding. No, not to hear that I am right, but b/c you get enflamed, I didn't say I was running out and buying one, I was just kicking the idea around and know a couple of people who have tangs in smaller systems and have for about a year. I know most of the common knowledge but there are all sorts of things being learned and created in this hobby everyday and just didn't know if i was missing some info. Also, sorry I wasn't able to be on the board all day, currenlty a law student and work at a firm. Finally, there are a core group of you that seem to think you are smarter than others, which I highly doubt, even within this hobby, so again, because I have been successful keeping a system and have done a lot of research on marine life from a young age, I was trying to keep the know it all condescending posters from this link with the "no tang police" guess I should have realized I would be inviting some huh? Well thanks again for the intelligent friendly comments, probably not going to go with the yellow tang......................................I think I'll buy a powder blue
Please disregard my advice....sorry I offered my opinion. I'll make sure I refrain in the future offering opinions to you. I have been in this hobby for decades. Just fall in the same costly holes I did.
best of luck
Again thank you to all those that did not include rhetoric (sp?) in their posts, some very good points of view to consider. I originally put no tang police b/c I didn't want many people that did respond responding. No, not to hear that I am right, but b/c you get enflamed, I didn't say I was running out and buying one, I was just kicking the idea around and know a couple of people who have tangs in smaller systems and have for about a year. I know most of the common knowledge but there are all sorts of things being learned and created in this hobby everyday and just didn't know if i was missing some info. Also, sorry I wasn't able to be on the board all day, currenlty a law student and work at a firm. Finally, there are a core group of you that seem to think you are smarter than others, which I highly doubt, even within this hobby, so again, because I have been successful keeping a system and have done a lot of research on marine life from a young age, I was trying to keep the know it all condescending posters from this link with the "no tang police" guess I should have realized I would be inviting some huh? Well thanks again for the intelligent friendly comments, probably not going to go with the yellow tang......................................I think I'll buy a powder blue
Please disregard my advice....sorry I offered my opinion. I'll make sure I refrain in the future offering opinions to you. I have been in this hobby for decades. Just fall in the same costly holes I did.
best of luck
gilligan50
Member
Actually Scubadoo you were one of the posters whose comments I liked the most, as I was not really considering (somehow?) the stress on the fish of selling it back to a LFS. So again thanks all for the comments, I was just wondering if there was any new info out there, especially about the yellow, as that is the tang I see most often in smaller systems.
scubadoo
Active Member
Originally Posted by gilligan50
Actually Scubadoo you were one of the posters whose comments I liked the most, as I was not really considering (somehow?) the stress on the fish of selling it back to a LFS. So again thanks all for the comments, I was just wondering if there was any new info out there, especially about the yellow, as that is the tang I see most often in smaller systems.
Okay no problem
Actually Scubadoo you were one of the posters whose comments I liked the most, as I was not really considering (somehow?) the stress on the fish of selling it back to a LFS. So again thanks all for the comments, I was just wondering if there was any new info out there, especially about the yellow, as that is the tang I see most often in smaller systems.
Okay no problem
scubadoo
Active Member
Originally Posted by Merredeth
Hey Scuba.... I agree with you on this one.
Hopefully, the person who posed this question reads the following...
Once stress is created for our fish, there is also no guarantee that they are healthy enough to deal with the effects that stress have on them.
Really though, it is no different from a person - we all can handle only so much stress. Place enough stress on a person and they experience mental meltdowns, heart attacks and etc. Why intentionally impose stress on creatures that we take on the responsibility to care for to begin with? Fish can't deal with too much stress any easier than a person's own health can deal with it without suffering somewhere a long the way.
A 30 gallon for a tang is just cruel, not to mention foolish.
That would be like me living in a 400 square foot apartment complete with 130 & 210 gallon fish tanks, a bed, dining room set, big screen televion, a dressing table, king sized waterbed, dresser, and my kid's bedroom things a long with two black labs. There would be no place for me, my family of four and our dogs to move around without suffering for someone.
Denise M.
I have yeet to ship the uv's...one is very long so I am trying to locate a box. Maybe I'll have luck this weekend.
THought I might catch you here as I do not have your email at work.
I'll forget when I get home to let you know.
Old age....memory is the first to go.
Hey Scuba.... I agree with you on this one.
Hopefully, the person who posed this question reads the following...
Once stress is created for our fish, there is also no guarantee that they are healthy enough to deal with the effects that stress have on them.
Really though, it is no different from a person - we all can handle only so much stress. Place enough stress on a person and they experience mental meltdowns, heart attacks and etc. Why intentionally impose stress on creatures that we take on the responsibility to care for to begin with? Fish can't deal with too much stress any easier than a person's own health can deal with it without suffering somewhere a long the way.
A 30 gallon for a tang is just cruel, not to mention foolish.
That would be like me living in a 400 square foot apartment complete with 130 & 210 gallon fish tanks, a bed, dining room set, big screen televion, a dressing table, king sized waterbed, dresser, and my kid's bedroom things a long with two black labs. There would be no place for me, my family of four and our dogs to move around without suffering for someone.
Denise M.
I have yeet to ship the uv's...one is very long so I am trying to locate a box. Maybe I'll have luck this weekend.
THought I might catch you here as I do not have your email at work.
I'll forget when I get home to let you know.
Old age....memory is the first to go.
merredeth
Active Member
Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
I have yeet to ship the uv's...one is very long so I am trying to locate a box. Maybe I'll have luck this weekend.
THought I might catch you here as I do not have your email at work.
I'll forget when I get home to let you know.
Old age....memory is the first to go.
I know all about old age.... so much I've forgotten half of what I should remember and the other half I probably don't want to remember.
I've learned patience...
Well.... except when it comes to my husband messing around in my offices.
Denise M.
I have yeet to ship the uv's...one is very long so I am trying to locate a box. Maybe I'll have luck this weekend.
THought I might catch you here as I do not have your email at work.
I'll forget when I get home to let you know.
Old age....memory is the first to go.
I know all about old age.... so much I've forgotten half of what I should remember and the other half I probably don't want to remember.
I've learned patience...
Denise M.
clown52
Member
The tang is a bad idea.
It will be stressed due to it's small habitat and will suffer from it's growth being stunted. Although you plan to get rid of it you will still be harming it the minute you take it home. If it is too stressed and develops HLLD then nobody (lfs) is going to want it when you need to get rid of it.
It will be stressed due to it's small habitat and will suffer from it's growth being stunted. Although you plan to get rid of it you will still be harming it the minute you take it home. If it is too stressed and develops HLLD then nobody (lfs) is going to want it when you need to get rid of it.
nanahugs
Member
Gilligan,
I have a newly clycled 40G tank and my LFS owner tried to talk me into getting a Yellow Tang for my tank with the line: "I'll take him back when he outgrows your tank." I didn't do it because I knew that I would get attached to the fish and did not want to stress the fish out.
Having said this, my husband kept a yellow Tang and LTA in a 29G tank with no special lighting, but had lots of natural light, for over two years at which point he brought them back to the LFS because he was going to college and couldn't take them with him. This was in the mid 70's. He only had one other fish, I can't remember which one, and no live rock, or live sand for that matter. Interesting huh?
I have a newly clycled 40G tank and my LFS owner tried to talk me into getting a Yellow Tang for my tank with the line: "I'll take him back when he outgrows your tank." I didn't do it because I knew that I would get attached to the fish and did not want to stress the fish out.
Having said this, my husband kept a yellow Tang and LTA in a 29G tank with no special lighting, but had lots of natural light, for over two years at which point he brought them back to the LFS because he was going to college and couldn't take them with him. This was in the mid 70's. He only had one other fish, I can't remember which one, and no live rock, or live sand for that matter. Interesting huh?
oceanists
Active Member
Gilligan, firsat of all Rhetoric isnt being used corectely , basicaly with that word you are saying that you dont want to hear persausive advice for you not to get a yellow tang so before you try to use big words please understand the meaning to make yourself not look like a fool ......... Second with the advance of technoogy phrase , unless they have somehow made it so a 30 gallon tank can extend to a 90 gallon tank technology has nothing to do with it , third going with a powder tang is an even worse idea and shows trhat you are just flat out ignorant to the lives you are taking care of , so help me god i hope you dont have kids