Tang Police please ignore
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gilligan50
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with no where to go a-hole on the board is huh. Well nice to meet you too
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jmick
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Powder Blues are beautiful fish but unfortunately they do VERY poorly in captivity and because they can attain a length of one foot it will require a much larger tank. Also, judging by the heavy build up of cyanobacteria in your tank it looks like you have insufficient water flow and possibly an issue with nutrients…
danedodger
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As I already explained the ich outbreak had nothing to do with new fish or overstocking
Well if you're still around... What DID happen then to cause the ich? 5 fish in a 29 gall sounds very iffy to me depending on what fish they were, of course. Hmmm even if they were the smallest fish, 3" or less, I'd say overstocking and something tells me that they weren't all even that small.
Well if you're still around... What DID happen then to cause the ich? 5 fish in a 29 gall sounds very iffy to me depending on what fish they were, of course. Hmmm even if they were the smallest fish, 3" or less, I'd say overstocking and something tells me that they weren't all even that small.
gilligan50
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that line was clearly in jest on my post. Anyway, I had a firefish a coral beauty a neon goby a gold line goby and a Royal Gramma. Everything was fine with the tank for nearly a year. I moved to Syracuse NY from MI and the tank was fine for four months. Then when the only store I knew of and appreciated closed I had to use a new store for about two months. I wasn't pleased with the quality of their water or store system but was in a jam. I believe that water I purchased believing was good water wasn't and contained the bacteria from their store system. It has been about three months since I have had a fish in my tank, I have been messing with getting it right where I want it, also the poor water caused an algea outbreak about the same time as the ich outbreak. SO been making sure my system is where I want it, free of ich and algea under control, and messing with a couple of corals and quite a few inverts.
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jcrim
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Originally Posted by gilligan50
with no where to go a-hole on the board is huh. Well nice to meet you too
Why would you ask a question and disrespect many of the people who offer you feedback? Actually Oceanists seems to know his stuff... you might want to listen instead of call him names.
with no where to go a-hole on the board is huh. Well nice to meet you too
Why would you ask a question and disrespect many of the people who offer you feedback? Actually Oceanists seems to know his stuff... you might want to listen instead of call him names.
danedodger
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Ah then that adds up to more or less 15" of fish which leaves 3 times gallons of water per fish with a little left over for comfort. In that case I retract my doubts about having the proper level of stock.
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tizzo
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See, I had simply idnored it as the poster had asked. You guys stressed yourselves out, AND you were forewarned. That's your own fault.
But I gotta ask, and I hope you will answer gilligan, this is a sincere question, I ain't trying to start drama, but... What exactly would the difference be between somebody who has studied tangs in tanks and in the wild and understands their space issues and even why they are like that, as opposed to the tang police?? Is it an anger thing? Is that how you deem the "police"? Cause I sincerely thought it was the individuals who never really tire explaing the needs of these fish since they are so high on the most wanted list. You know, there's only so many times you can explain a "cycle" or a "bioload" or "water chemistry" but I thought tang police were tang police because when it comes to tangs they are most eager to share what they know. It is unfortunate that it is not what most hobbiests want to hear, but it still remains the truth.
But since all the flames are gone, and I really hope they are gone cause that is really not my intent, I will leave you with your two choices.
You can put your own wants ahead of the hobby, and get a tang. That would be considered (by most) the irresponsible hobbiest, but since you asked the question to begin with, you do not appear to be the irresponsible hobbiest.
OR, you can understand that different creatures have different needs and your tank simply does not meet optimum requirements for this critter, no matter how tempting and pretty. That would make you a responsible, put the hobby before yourself hobbiest.
You will find many of each, but for me, the absolute best hobbiests, the best care takers, are the ones that say, "I really want that, but I cannot provide all that he needs" There is no greater act of responsibility in this hobby IMO.
If you could ever go to a public aquarium, or even your LFS if the tank is big enough, watch the tangs then hold up your hands 2 feet across and imagine that same fish in that confined space. It doesn't even appear logical.
I look at my 90 sometimes and imagine how small of a puddle it would be and how sad it a tang got washed into it.
No flames intended, and I truly hope you see that.
But I still wanna know the answer to my question.
But I gotta ask, and I hope you will answer gilligan, this is a sincere question, I ain't trying to start drama, but... What exactly would the difference be between somebody who has studied tangs in tanks and in the wild and understands their space issues and even why they are like that, as opposed to the tang police?? Is it an anger thing? Is that how you deem the "police"? Cause I sincerely thought it was the individuals who never really tire explaing the needs of these fish since they are so high on the most wanted list. You know, there's only so many times you can explain a "cycle" or a "bioload" or "water chemistry" but I thought tang police were tang police because when it comes to tangs they are most eager to share what they know. It is unfortunate that it is not what most hobbiests want to hear, but it still remains the truth.
But since all the flames are gone, and I really hope they are gone cause that is really not my intent, I will leave you with your two choices.
You can put your own wants ahead of the hobby, and get a tang. That would be considered (by most) the irresponsible hobbiest, but since you asked the question to begin with, you do not appear to be the irresponsible hobbiest.
OR, you can understand that different creatures have different needs and your tank simply does not meet optimum requirements for this critter, no matter how tempting and pretty. That would make you a responsible, put the hobby before yourself hobbiest.
You will find many of each, but for me, the absolute best hobbiests, the best care takers, are the ones that say, "I really want that, but I cannot provide all that he needs" There is no greater act of responsibility in this hobby IMO.
If you could ever go to a public aquarium, or even your LFS if the tank is big enough, watch the tangs then hold up your hands 2 feet across and imagine that same fish in that confined space. It doesn't even appear logical.
I look at my 90 sometimes and imagine how small of a puddle it would be and how sad it a tang got washed into it.
No flames intended, and I truly hope you see that.
But I still wanna know the answer to my question.
1journeyman
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Nicely said Tizzo.
vanquish
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Ok its time for this thread to end. People are very passionate about their fish, everyone wants to say something. This person obviously gets by now that most people are against her logic, and everyone keeps mentioning that she's asking a question but only wants to hear one thing. Ok, so quit beating a dead horse because that’s exactly what's happening. The helpfulness of your posts has been drowned by passion and criticism. Regardless of whether or not your criticism is rightly placed (which I think it is) the usefulness of this thread has expired. Its time for us to go on and write about other things.
That said, I too found the posts helpful. I have a new 38g, and I will certainly not be considering a yellow tang or a powder blue, even though they are among my favorite. So thanks for your comments, and lets conclude this. If you still want to talk about Tangs, how about starting a new thread? I would find that very interesting.
That said, I too found the posts helpful. I have a new 38g, and I will certainly not be considering a yellow tang or a powder blue, even though they are among my favorite. So thanks for your comments, and lets conclude this. If you still want to talk about Tangs, how about starting a new thread? I would find that very interesting.
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tizzo
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Well, lemme restate, I did not intend to throw flames, I am very sincere in saying that. But I really do wanna know the difference between the things mentioned. I was actually gonna start another thread asking it, but I didn't want gilligan to think I was sarcastically asking and pretending to be sincere. So I went straight to them, and hopefully they will not misread as you have and see critism. None was intended. Usually when I intend critisism, it is not misplaced and it is very obvious. I am not playing dumb to make a point, I truly want an answer, so lemme quote a part of what I wrote again...
But I gotta ask, and I hope you will answer gilligan, this is a sincere question,
That is entirely true and please do not make it seem otherwise.
I have my own opinion on tangs but if you hadn't noticed, I did not even post it. The only "personal opinion" that I posted was that which I thought made the most responsible hobbiest. The rest was a question and a general consensus.
But I gotta ask, and I hope you will answer gilligan, this is a sincere question,
That is entirely true and please do not make it seem otherwise.
I have my own opinion on tangs but if you hadn't noticed, I did not even post it. The only "personal opinion" that I posted was that which I thought made the most responsible hobbiest. The rest was a question and a general consensus.
who dey
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Originally Posted by Jmick
Powder Blues are beautiful fish but unfortunately they do VERY poorly in captivity and because they can attain a length of one foot it will require a much larger tank. Also, judging by the heavy build up of cyanobacteria in your tank it looks like you have insufficient water flow and possibly an issue with nutrients…
where do you see cyano. that would be coraline. Possibly the picture distortion makes it appear to be darker in color like cyano. My parameters are perfect. I have very well structured rock work with lots of room for him to swim and not alot of other inhabitants to crowd him. I believe it was bang guy who had a powderblue in a 55gal for 8 years. there are exceptions to every rule.
Powder Blues are beautiful fish but unfortunately they do VERY poorly in captivity and because they can attain a length of one foot it will require a much larger tank. Also, judging by the heavy build up of cyanobacteria in your tank it looks like you have insufficient water flow and possibly an issue with nutrients…
where do you see cyano. that would be coraline. Possibly the picture distortion makes it appear to be darker in color like cyano. My parameters are perfect. I have very well structured rock work with lots of room for him to swim and not alot of other inhabitants to crowd him. I believe it was bang guy who had a powderblue in a 55gal for 8 years. there are exceptions to every rule.
jhov2324
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I got a Mexican Turbo Snail and introduced it into my tank, it soon died, maybe i put it in too soon, now i went and got two cone head snails and they aren't moving that much, is there a proper way to introduced these snails into my tank or are the fish that i have the probelm, the fish haven't really messed with the snails, so i dont think its that, the fish i have are Dog Faced Puffer, Yellow Tang, Bi-Color Parrot, Tomato Clown, Niger Trigger, Picaso Trigger, Domino Damsel, Yellow tail damsel, 4 stripe damsel, Yellow Damsel and blue velvet damsel. I know the Dog face Puffer might eat snails, but he hasn't paid them no attention, and if he does it's fine cause he needs to file down his teeth, but are any of these fish the reason that snails aren't surviving in my tank.
who dey
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Originally Posted by Jhov2324
I got a Mexican Turbo Snail and introduced it into my tank, it soon died, maybe i put it in too soon, now i went and got two cone head snails and they aren't moving that much, is there a proper way to introduced these snails into my tank or are the fish that i have the probelm, the fish haven't really messed with the snails, so i dont think its that, the fish i have are Dog Faced Puffer, Yellow Tang, Bi-Color Parrot, Tomato Clown, Niger Trigger, Picaso Trigger, Domino Damsel, Yellow tail damsel, 4 stripe damsel, Yellow Damsel and blue velvet damsel. I know the Dog face Puffer might eat snails, but he hasn't paid them no attention, and if he does it's fine cause he needs to file down his teeth, but are any of these fish the reason that snails aren't surviving in my tank.
not sure, you should probably start a thread on this one instead of a hitchhike if you want to get accurate responses
I got a Mexican Turbo Snail and introduced it into my tank, it soon died, maybe i put it in too soon, now i went and got two cone head snails and they aren't moving that much, is there a proper way to introduced these snails into my tank or are the fish that i have the probelm, the fish haven't really messed with the snails, so i dont think its that, the fish i have are Dog Faced Puffer, Yellow Tang, Bi-Color Parrot, Tomato Clown, Niger Trigger, Picaso Trigger, Domino Damsel, Yellow tail damsel, 4 stripe damsel, Yellow Damsel and blue velvet damsel. I know the Dog face Puffer might eat snails, but he hasn't paid them no attention, and if he does it's fine cause he needs to file down his teeth, but are any of these fish the reason that snails aren't surviving in my tank.
not sure, you should probably start a thread on this one instead of a hitchhike if you want to get accurate responses
gilligan50
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Yeah it is an anger thing, it is that I felt like I wouldn't get any thing but common rhetoric out of them. I wanted to know if anyone had any success, if they had any experience first hand as to success, happiness of fish, stress on fish, etc... in that environment, I knew what the "tang police" were going to say. It wasn't that I didn't want to hear something other than what I though but rather that I knew all that felt the same way and wanted to see what else was out there. By teh way I am not getting any tangs, and have turned down many species b/c of size, just wanted to get all perspectives I could. FInally, there are many taht probably consider themselves "tang police" but the ones I intended to avoid were as described above adn the know it all/rude types I don't have much use for. Thank you though for the well thought out question and statements
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tizzo
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Originally Posted by gilligan50
By teh way I am not getting any tangs, and have turned down many species b/c of size, just wanted to get all perspectives I could.
Sounds like you were conducting a little "research, sorry you got blasted for it.
I am relieved that you saw my question for what it was and not otherwise. It's sad to know that people who have questions view the tang police as angry and not informative. I was always proud to be part of the tang police, when it was what I thought it was, now that I see how others percieve it, I want a different title!! Oh, "fish whisperer" I still like that.
By teh way I am not getting any tangs, and have turned down many species b/c of size, just wanted to get all perspectives I could.
Sounds like you were conducting a little "research, sorry you got blasted for it.
I am relieved that you saw my question for what it was and not otherwise. It's sad to know that people who have questions view the tang police as angry and not informative. I was always proud to be part of the tang police, when it was what I thought it was, now that I see how others percieve it, I want a different title!! Oh, "fish whisperer" I still like that.