Teflon John

suzy

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Anyone heard about this new book?
The Real McCain: Why Conservatives Don't Trust Him and Why Independents Shouldn't
 

lion_crazz

Active Member
Please do not post links to outside websites when it is just as easy to post the title of the book. Posting links to market place websites like the one you did just starts a slippery slope to everyone posting links. If someone really wanted to know what it was about, they could look it up themselves.
 

rylan1

Active Member
people post websites all the time

Anyways, I'd be interested in reading it... The reviews all give it a 5...
 

suzy

Member
I am misunderstanding the rules, I guess. The link was to a site that sells books. No bidding, AFAIK. So, that is why some just cut n paste stuff with no source? I usually just skip those, they are just made up hoopla without a source. But, when in Rome....
Originally Posted by book
Book: McCain temper boiled over in '92 tirade, called wife a '****'
04/07/2008 @ 10:19 am
Nick Juliano
John McCain's temper is well documented. He's called opponents and colleagues "****," "*******" and in at least one case "a **** jerk."
But a new book on the presumptive Republican nominee will air perhaps the most shocking angry exchange to date.
The Real McCain by Cliff Schecter, which will arrive in bookstores next month, reports an angry exchange between McCain and his wife that happened in full view of aides and reporters during a 1992 campaign stop. An advance copy of the book was obtained by RAW STORY.
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Three reporters from Arizona, on the condition of anonymity, also let me in on another incident involving McCain's intemperateness. In his 1992 Senate bid, McCain was joined on the campaign trail by his wife, Cindy, as well as campaign aide Doug Cole and consultant Wes Gullett. At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, "You're getting a little thin up there." McCain's face reddened, and he responded, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you ****." McCain's excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days.
The man who was known as "McNasty" in high school has erupted in foul-languaged tirades at political foes and congressional colleagues more-or-less throughout his career, and his quickness to anger has been an issue on the presidential campaign trail as evidence of his fury has surfaced.
As Schecter notes, McCain's rage is not limited to the political spectrum, and even his family cannot be spared the brute force of his anger.
Schecter, who also blogs at The Agonist, said in an interview the anecdote is "an early example of his uncontrollable temper." In the book he outlines several other examples of McCain losing his cool and raises the question of how that would affect a McCain presidency.
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What should voters make of this pattern? In February 2008 Tim Russert succinctly described McCain on MSNBC's Morning Joe. A devilish grin spread from ear to ear as Russert, no McCain hater, leaned forward and spoke in a whisper, "He likes to fight." Russert got it right. But the big question isn't whether McCain likes to fight: it's who, when, and how.
The exchange between McCain and his wife was not reported anywhere when it happened, Schecter said (a LexisNexis database search confirms this). In 1992, McCain's mention in the national media revolved mostly around his involvement in the Keating Five scandal, and only local reporters closely followed his re-election bid.
McCain is well known for his rapport with the national media covering his presidential bid (he's jokingly referred to the press as "my base"), but Schecter said this incident was buried not out of fealty to the Arizona senator. Rather, it was uneasiness about how to get such a coarse exchange into a family newspaper, and he didn't fault the local press for not covering the incident.
"Members of the media are squeamish covering stuff like this so they let it go," Schecter told RAW STORY in an interview Monday. "Back in '92, when people use naughty words, [reporters] don't know as much what to do with it."
McCain and his aides have brushed off suggestions that his temper could impede his ability to perform the sometimes-delicate tasks asked of a president. The candidate was asked about his legendary temper last week on "Fox News Sunday," where he cited his ability to work "across the aisle" while in the Senate.
"You can't scare people or intimidate them if you're going to reach agreement with your colleagues and your contemporaries And I've worked hard at that, and that's what the American people want," McCain said. " The second thing is if I lose my capacity for anger, then I shouldn't be president of the United States. ... When I see the waste and corruption in Washington, I get angry."
McCain's campaign did not return a call from RAW STORY seeking comment Monday morning.
Schecter says McCain's anger is much more than a passion for the issues. One can only imagine what would happen if McCain were to try to squeeze that temper into the tight confines of diplomacy.
"The public certainly has to know what this guy might do as president," Schecter says. Examples like the ones in his book "should worry people, quite frankly."
 

jmick

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On his campaign bus recently, Sen. John McCain told reporters, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."
Come on, he loves everyone!
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2592173
On his campaign bus recently, Sen. John McCain told reporters, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."
Come on, he loves everyone!
I hope he didn't say that
 

pontius

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2592186
I hope he didn't say that

I don't want to paint myself as a McCain supporter here, because I'm NOT voting for him. but let's be honest here, the guy was a prisoner for 5 and half years and was tortured god knows how many times. I'd harbor some ill-will too.
 

jmick

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2592186
I hope he didn't say that

Oh, he did.
Come on, this is the same man who married his current wife a mere month after divorcing his first wife and he claimed he was never unfaithful.
McCain's Divorce
Before John McCain's tour of duty in Vietnam, he married Carol Shepp, a model from Philadelphia. On his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam in 1967, McCain was shot down and captured.
While he was imprisoned, Carol was in an auto wreck (1969), thrown through her car's windshield and left seriously injured. Despite her injures, she refused to allow her POW husband to be notified about her condition, fearing that such news would not be good for him while he was being held prisoner.
When McCain returned to the United States in 1973 after more than five years as a prisoner of war, he found his wife was a different person. The accident "left her 4 inches shorter and on crutches, and she had gained a good deal of weight."
Yearning to make the grade of admiral, McCain enrolled in the National War College at Fort McNair in Washington, D.C. and underwent physical therapy in order to fly again. The Navy excused his permanent disabilities and reinstated him to flight status, effectively positioning him for promotion.
In his book, The Nightingale's Song, Robert Timberg chronicled McCain's post-Vietnam military assignments and some of his "adulterous" behavior leading to his divorce from Carol and marriage to Cindy Hensley.
Timberg wrote, "in the fall of 1974, McCain was transferred to Jacksonville as the executive officer of Replacement Air Group 174, the long-sought flying billet at last a reality. A few months later, he assumed command of the RAG, which trained pilots and crews for carrier deployments. The assignment was controversial, some calling it favoritism, a sop to the famous son of a famous father and grandfather [both were Navy admirals], since he had not first commanded a squadron, the usual career path."
While Executive Officer and later as Squadron Commander McCain used his authority to arrange frequent flights that allowed him to carouse with subordinates and "engage in extra-marital affairs." Such behavior was a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice rules against adultery and fraternization with subordinates..
Timberg wrote, "Off duty, usually on routine cross-country flights to Yuma and El Centro, John started carousing and running around with women. To make matters worse, some of the women with whom he was linked by rumor were subordinates . . . At the time the rumors were so widespread that, true or not, they became part of McCain's persona, impossible not to take note of."
In early 1977, Admiral Jim Holloway, Chief of Naval Operations promoted McCain to captain and transferred him from his command position "to Washington as the number-two man in the Navy's Senate liaison office. It wasn't long before the "fun loving and irreverent" McCain had turned the liaison office into a "late-afternoon gathering spot where senators and staffers, usually from the Armed Services and Foreign Relations committees, would drop in for a drink and the chance to unwind."
In 1979 at a military reception in Honolulu, McCain met Cindy Hensley, an attractive 25-year-old woman from a very wealthy politically-connected Arizona family. Cindy's father, Jim, founded the Hensley and Company, the nation's third-largest Anheuser-Busch distributor.
McCain described their first meeting, "She was lovely, intelligent and charming, 17 years my junior but poised and confident. I monopolized her attention the entire time, taking care to prevent anyone else from intruding on our conversation. When it came time to leave the party, I persuaded her to join me for drinks at the Royal Hawaiian Hotel. By the evening's end, I was in love."
While still married to Carol, McCain began an adulterous relationship with Cindy. He married Cindy in May 1980 -- just a month after dumping Carol and securing a divorce. The newlyweds honeymooned in Hawaii.
McCain followed his young, millionairess wife back to Arizona where her father helped catapult McCain into politics,
Today, Cindy Hensley McCain is chairwoman of Hensley's board of directors. Hensley and Company financial reports show assets worth a minimum of $28 million for the McCains
 

jmick

Active Member
If you wanna look up something interesting look up John McCain and the Dineh or Najavo indians and how he helped to strip and steal land from them. I'd post the link but it'll more then likely be removed. ACSA study reveals that after assembling a team of "pro-Peabody Western Coal" Indians and obtaining a false "Hopi-Navajo" Tribal Counsel designation by the Bureau of Indian Affairs for these paid Tribal representatives, in the period 1974-1996, Senator McCain was able to get large bands of the Dineh-Navajo relocated off their lands, so that Peabody Western could mine the coal under their farms at nominal expense. Common Cause has suggested McCain was indirectly compensated by street name cash contributions to his Federal Election Fund during three Presidential runs, and through family business with Las Vegas Casinos who benefited from the coal driven power he supplied.
PRESS RELEASE
Or look up McCain and Donald Diamond.
This guy is soo damn shady. People judge Obama because of his acquaitences. I think it's time we start looking at the actions of McCain.
 

suzy

Member
Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2592194
I don't want to paint myself as a McCain supporter here, because I'm NOT voting for him. but let's be honest here, the guy was a prisoner for 5 and half years and was tortured god knows how many times. I'd harbor some ill-will too.
There in lies the rub: How can we expect a guy who was imprisoned and tortured for years to be mentally stable, in charge of the largest army in the world? Really, his service to his country is deserving of respect, but we need a leader who has a clear head, a clear focus of the challenges that face us today. We are already in two wars. Can we elect him and rest assured that he will make the right choice about getting in another? He was tortured for 6 years, he has a real reason to be unstable.
 

suzy

Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2592173
On his campaign bus recently, Sen. John McCain told reporters, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."
Come on, he loves everyone!
This is the man who, if elected as POTUS, we will need to make strong allies in our global economy.
 

suzy

Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2592199
Oh, he did.
Come on, this is the same man who married his current wife a mere month after divorcing his first wife and he claimed he was never unfaithful.
McCain's Divorce
Before John McCain's tour of duty in Vietnam, he married Carol Shepp, a model from Philadelphia. On his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam in 1967, McCain was shot down and captured.
While he was imprisoned, Carol was in an auto wreck (1969), thrown through her car's windshield and left seriously injured. Despite her injures, she refused to allow her POW husband to be notified about her condition, fearing that such news would not be good for him while he was being held prisoner.
When McCain returned to the United States in 1973 after more than five years as a prisoner of war, he found his wife was a different person. The accident "left her 4 inches shorter and on crutches, and she had gained a good deal of weight."
Yearning to make the grade of admiral, McCain enrolled in the National War College at Fort McNair in Washington, D.C. and underwent physical therapy in order to fly again. The Navy excused his permanent disabilities and reinstated him to flight status, effectively positioning him for promotion.
In his book, The Nightingale's Song, Robert Timberg chronicled McCain's post-Vietnam military assignments and some of his "adulterous" behavior leading to his divorce from Carol and marriage to Cindy Hensley.
Timberg wrote, "in the fall of 1974, McCain was transferred to Jacksonville as the executive officer of Replacement Air Group 174, the long-sought flying billet at last a reality. A few months later, he assumed command of the RAG, which trained pilots and crews for carrier deployments. The assignment was controversial, some calling it favoritism, a sop to the famous son of a famous father and grandfather [both were Navy admirals], since he had not first commanded a squadron, the usual career path."
While Executive Officer and later as Squadron Commander McCain used his authority to arrange frequent flights that allowed him to carouse with subordinates and "engage in extra-marital affairs." Such behavior was a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice rules against adultery and fraternization with subordinates..
Timberg wrote, "Off duty, usually on routine cross-country flights to Yuma and El Centro, John started carousing and running around with women. To make matters worse, some of the women with whom he was linked by rumor were subordinates . . . At the time the rumors were so widespread that, true or not, they became part of McCain's persona, impossible not to take note of."
In early 1977, Admiral Jim Holloway, Chief of Naval Operations promoted McCain to captain and transferred him from his command position "to Washington as the number-two man in the Navy's Senate liaison office. It wasn't long before the "fun loving and irreverent" McCain had turned the liaison office into a "late-afternoon gathering spot where senators and staffers, usually from the Armed Services and Foreign Relations committees, would drop in for a drink and the chance to unwind."
In 1979 at a military reception in Honolulu, McCain met Cindy Hensley, an attractive 25-year-old woman from a very wealthy politically-connected Arizona family. Cindy's father, Jim, founded the Hensley and Company, the nation's third-largest Anheuser-Busch distributor.
McCain described their first meeting, "She was lovely, intelligent and charming, 17 years my junior but poised and confident. I monopolized her attention the entire time, taking care to prevent anyone else from intruding on our conversation. When it came time to leave the party, I persuaded her to join me for drinks at the Royal Hawaiian Hotel. By the evening's end, I was in love."
While still married to Carol, McCain began an adulterous relationship with Cindy. He married Cindy in May 1980 -- just a month after dumping Carol and securing a divorce. The newlyweds honeymooned in Hawaii.
McCain followed his young, millionairess wife back to Arizona where her father helped catapult McCain into politics,
Today, Cindy Hensley McCain is chairwoman of Hensley's board of directors. Hensley and Company financial reports show assets worth a minimum of $28 million for the McCains
Wow. He is the leader of the moral majority? I can't believe his current wife stays with him after he called her a blankblankblank (starts with a c ) in front of all those people. I wouldn't stay with a guy who called me that in private let alone in front of all those people.
What can you say about a man who would let anyone call his wife a filthy name like that? Let alone say it himself....
 

pontius

Active Member
Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2592247
There in lies the rub: How can we expect a guy who was imprisoned and tortured for years to be mentally stable, in charge of the largest army in the world? Really, his service to his country is deserving of respect, but we need a leader who has a clear head, a clear focus of the challenges that face us today. We are already in two wars. Can we elect him and rest assured that he will make the right choice about getting in another? He was tortured for 6 years, he has a real reason to be unstable.
I don't know about that. I think that's all speculation. I've seen some things that would make me think he's "hot headed", but not necessarily "unstable". the country needs someone that is going to build and strengthen bonds abroad. but at the same time, you can only allow other countries get away with so much before you MUST take action. go back and look at the history of WWII and look at how many times the League of Nations allowed Hitler to thumb his nose at them before they finally did something about it, and the cost in human life that it took. you have to be flexible to an extent, but not to the point of being a pushover. and I'm not sure either of the Dem candidates aren't pushovers.
 

suzy

Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2592214
If you wanna look up something interesting look up John McCain and the Dineh or Najavo indians and how he helped to strip and steal land from them. I'd post the link but it'll more then likely be removed. ACSA study reveals that after assembling a team of "pro-Peabody Western Coal" Indians and obtaining a false "Hopi-Navajo" Tribal Counsel designation by the Bureau of Indian Affairs for these paid Tribal representatives, in the period 1974-1996, Senator McCain was able to get large bands of the Dineh-Navajo relocated off their lands, so that Peabody Western could mine the coal under their farms at nominal expense. Common Cause has suggested McCain was indirectly compensated by street name cash contributions to his Federal Election Fund during three Presidential runs, and through family business with Las Vegas Casinos who benefited from the coal driven power he supplied.
PRESS RELEASE
Or look up McCain and Donald Diamond.
This guy is soo damn shady. People judge Obama because of his acquaitences. I think it's time we start looking at the actions of McCain.
That's why I started the thread "Teflon John". He is incredibly shady.....if not a down right crook.
I am looking forward to the MoveOn.org commercials coming out about this stuff. It might not be sticking now, 'cause they're waiting 'till August!
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
He was asked a question regarding his prison guards. I think I would use far worse language to describe someone that held me captive and tortured me. I wonder what words Reporter Pearl's family would use to describe the people that captured and tortur4ed him to death.....
 

suzy

Member
Originally Posted by Crashbandicoot
http:///forum/post/2592256
Whats your excuse ?
Well, us silly blondes just can't compete with your incredible wit.....I'm just so overwhelmed with your smartness.
But, I though we agreed not to talk to each other? You specifically said I couldn't quote you. Are you saying that is off and you are free game?
 

suzy

Member
Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2592257
I don't know about that. I think that's all speculation. I've seen some things that would make me think he's "hot headed", but not necessarily "unstable". the country needs someone that is going to build and strengthen bonds abroad. but at the same time, you can only allow other countries get away with so much before you MUST take action. go back and look at the history of WWII and look at how many times the League of Nations allowed Hitler to thumb his nose at them before they finally did something about it, and the cost in human life that it took. you have to be flexible to an extent, but not to the point of being a pushover. and I'm not sure either of the Dem candidates aren't pushovers.
He called his wife a *****! That is not a teeny bit unstable?
 
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