Tell me what you think!! No water changes!!

[subvillian]

I Could be wrong but i was under the understanding that waste products got broken down with a deep substrate bed. Also dont hermits and crabs play apart in this breakdown as well as many hitchhikers.
Its not that nothing has died as much as the about of growth i have seen in corals, coraline alge and my ananmoe splitting into 3 now and possible 4th soon.
I always figured that reproduction can not happen in the slightest amount of poor water quality.
All tho i could be wrong about all this.

 

[ruaround]

Originally Posted by acrylic51
"DOUBT IT, VERY UNLIKELY".........The trace elements that are in the water are constantly being consumed, so realistically tell me how they are being replaced????? They don't just magically reappear :thinking: And again your point with adding trace elements......If your not testing for all these major and minor trace elements your haphazardly running your tank.......So honestly if we could list and does all the minor and major trace elements that we could get in a bottle we wouldn't do water changes.....
so by doing a water change they magically appear??? then where are you getting your trace elements??? from your bag of salt mix??? most brands have many times the amount of metals and minerals that is in natural sea water???

 

[ginarox]

Originally Posted by SubVillian
I Could be wrong but i was under the understanding that waste products got broken down with a deep substrate bed. Also dont hermits and crabs play apart in this breakdown as well as many hitchhikers.
Its not that nothing has died as much as the about of growth i have seen in corals, coraline alge and my ananmoe splitting into 3 now and possible 4th soon.
I always figured that reproduction can not happen in the slightest amount of poor water quality.
All tho i could be wrong about all this.
i would love to see pictures of your tank,,,thanks ,,good luck and have a great day...
p.s. and i also dont do weekly water changes, and so far so good, my marine biologist comes once a month to clean and do a water change...i just thought i would throw that in there....

 

[jhebi]

Can we see a shot of your tank and corals?

 

[ginarox]

Originally Posted by jhebi
Can we see a shot of your tank and corals?
me???

 

[subvillian]

Yea ill post some pics this evening. when i get home. check back around 8 central time.

 

[watson3]

Originally Posted by SubVillian
Baton Rouge watson3
Are you on Lareefclub.com

 

[demartini]

I know a person who has never done a water change... they have a 6 gallon with 1 perc and tons of chaeto... I think the chaeto is what keeps the clown alive... she used to also have a blue chromis but that died.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by SubVillian
I Could be wrong but i was under the understanding that waste products got broken down with a deep substrate bed. Also dont hermits and crabs play apart in this breakdown as well as many hitchhikers.
Its not that nothing has died as much as the about of growth i have seen in corals, coraline alge and my ananmoe splitting into 3 now and possible 4th soon.
I always figured that reproduction can not happen in the slightest amount of poor water quality.
All tho i could be wrong about all this.
No, it really does sound like your tank is going good, although anemones can split due to stress. That doesn't sound like the case here, as long as it is large and seems to be growing instead of just splitting.
A deep sand bed does break down nitrate if set up and maintained properly.
Hermits, crabs, snails, etc. all help to "clean" a tank.
How is your pH? Is it remaining stable?

 

[watson3]

Originally Posted by SubVillian
Baton Rouge watson3
Try Lareefclub.com
For the mod who deleted this posts earlier, this is a local forum that is in no way a competitor..I have seen many other references to local clubs..

 

[acrylic51]

Originally Posted by ruaround
so by doing a water change they magically appear??? then where are you getting your trace elements??? from your bag of salt mix??? most brands have many times the amount of metals and minerals that is in natural sea water???
Man.....I guess you haven't done enough reading, but all the goodies that are consumed by are tank inhabitants are replaced when we do water changes by the ingredients in the salt mix......alot of people might dose strontium, iodine, and such chemicals, but the bad thing about it is they don't even test, so you don't really know what your levels are or what your adding......
Yes synthetic salts do have more or higher amounts than NSW, but again it should be pointed out that you should do alittle more research such as ReefCentral in the Reef Chemistry Forum by Randy Holmes Farley and he has a good article there about the chemical composition difference between NSW and synthetic salt mixes.....
I don't mean to be mean or smart, but you'v missed the whole point about were these elements come from.....they definitely don't come from that magic potion bottle you have sitting under the tank.....If you want to go without water changes; by all means do, but your points would be again mundane....maybe you should check out some really awesome tanks and see their regimens!!!!!! I doubt anywhere you'll see in there long term success you'll see them omitting water changes..........
Actually in a very well balanced system, with proper water changes you can almost negate adding a bunch of those extra additives that people think are a must have.........What is it that your corals and such are consuming Ruaround that you just pour from a bottle?

 

[acrylic51]

Originally Posted by ruaround
what if a yearly water change is all his/her tank needs??? if its not broke dont fix it??? the only problem i see is exporting "bad things" that are introduced via top off with poor water quality and not adding trace elements...
Another argument then for you Ruaround what is the easiest or safest way to get your system back into shape? It's surely isn't the miracle cures of "elements" in the bottle....Simple water changes to balance the system....

 

[ruaround]

actually i dont have corals... just FOWLR... that is why i am saying that all things should be weighed before you (used as a general term...not pointing a finger) jump down the throat of someone that doesnt do the "norm" of most people that post... and like i said... i dont advocate NEVER doing a water change... it is just my opinion that some system dont need the every week or every other week religious that is pounded into everyones head ~nor~ should they be ostricized... (this is no way a flame just banter and debate)
unless i am twisting your words you agree that mixes do contain more elements, minerals, metals etc so is it possible if they arent being used that some people could essentially be overdosing by doing a daily, weekly or bi weekly change...

 

[treblehook]

It depends on what works for you. I have been using Chemi Pure in high doses and only change about 5 gallons in a 75 gallon tank once a month. It is a fish only system and pretty crowded by most standards. A clown trigger....tomato clown....blue damsel.....yellow tang and a small wrasse.

 

[acrylic51]

Yes that's very true....Each system is different and will react different, but with respect to you; you haven't posted any specs on your water parameters other than it's pretty crowded and you run Chemipure in high doses.....Throw some numbers at us......Corals are a little more demanding than fish, so it's hard to compare the complexity of 2 total different systems.

 

[ruaround]

Originally Posted by acrylic51
Another argument then for you Ruaround what is the easiest or safest way to get your system back into shape? It's surely isn't the miracle cures of "elements" in the bottle....Simple water changes to balance the system....
that is exactly what i am saying... if everyone is told "they must do a change daily, weekly or bi weekly" and their systems crash perhaps by doing this it is throwing the system out of balance... so perhaps less is more and could turn a system around...
i agree there isnt a miracle dosing product... so lets not beat that dead horse...

 

[ruaround]

Originally Posted by acrylic51
Yes that's very true....Each system is different and will react different, but with respect to you; you haven't posted any specs on your water parameters other than it's pretty crowded and you run Chemipure in high doses.....Throw some numbers at us......Corals are a little more demanding than fish, so it's hard to compare the complexity of 2 total different systems.
and thats also what i am saying... each tank cant have a blanket "you must do a weekly water change"... judging from what the original poster of this thread has said his/her tank may become a proverbial petri dish... lets see what happens when he does weekly water changes... if his corals are still growing and anemones are still spitting and he has happy fish then both sides could possibly be proven...

 

[treblehook]

the only thing that is ever slightly is the nitrates around 40. I am a throwback.....i run a eheim 2217....and two penguin 400's. Overfiltration is the key imho. There is enough filtration and chemipure to run a 300 gallon tank in my 75 gallon. It's all trial and error and stick what works for you.

 

[ruaround]

Originally Posted by TrebleHook
the only thing that is ever slightly is the nitrates around 40. I am a throwback.....i run a eheim 2217....and two penguin 400's. Overfiltration is the key imho. There is enough filtration and chemipure to run a 300 gallon tank in my 75 gallon. It's all trial and error and stick what works for you.
amen brother!!!

 

[acrylic51]

By your earlier comment it makes it appear or sound as if you condone or practice the theory of "no water changes". Honestly you believe doing regular water changes are going to set things back......The original poster will probably find that the corals are stunned at first, but the tank will be better with the regular water changes....
Again he didn't post any numbers as far as parameters, and just can't believe he has no build up of anything....there is nothing that is totally maintenance free....