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nw2salt08

nw2salt08

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Sorry about all the scolding. I think as long as you're taking advice from professionals that specialize in reptile care then you're doing just fine.

As far as obese reptiles, I used to have an Egyptian Uromastyx that was fat when I received him. They were only feeding him tons of crickets and chicken!! He's an omnivore not a carnivore! lol Well, we changed his diet to what they're supposed to have and leash trained him to take on walks. He got back down to his normal weight and was one of the healthiest reptiles my vet has ever seen.
Please keep us updated. He is a beautiful guy and would love to see his progress on the weight.
 
aw2x3

aw2x3

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Originally Posted by Saltman23
http:///forum/post/2987575
that is a awesome looking monitor. what other kind of reptiles do you have AW2x3?
We have 3 Burmese Pythons (8', 11' and 14'), a baby Australian Water Python, a 4" baby Bearded Dragon and a 10" Mali Uromastyx...and now, this Croc.
Definately not our first reptile and certainly not our last Monitor.
Originally Posted by Nw2Salt08
http:///forum/post/2987645
As far as obese reptiles, I used to have an Egyptian Uromastyx that was fat when I received him. They were only feeding him tons of crickets and chicken!! He's an omnivore not a carnivore! lol Well, we changed his diet to what they're supposed to have and leash trained him to take on walks. He got back down to his normal weight and was one of the healthiest reptiles my vet has ever seen.
Uros are notorious for not doing well because of improper diet. They have a very complicated diet, which isn't always easy to find, to say the least. Ours gets collard greens, turnip greens, dandilion, spinach, hibiscus...along with freeze dried pellets.
 
rslinger

rslinger

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Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2987548
no, though when keeping dog breeds that are known to be used as "fighting dogs", one has to be careful in making sure that fighting is not in the dog's bloodline. if it's not, then pitbulls are very gentle and fun loving dogs. if fighting is bred into them, they are dangerous.
What are you for real. There is no such thing as a fighting blood line in pit bulls. I don't know why it is so hard to understand no matter what a pit bull is not born a killer. These fighting dogs are abused from the minute they are born. No contact with other dogs, no real human contact but to be beaten. The only reward they get is when they do fight. It could be any breed used to fight people just use pit's because of there locking jaws. Pit bulls are naturally very protective though. But you can raise ANY BREED to fight just the same.
Sorry to hijack you thread for a second Andy just can't stand breed basing. Awesome animal you got there. keep us posted on his steps back to health
 
aw2x3

aw2x3

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Thank you, for stating the obvious about the dog issue. After reading that is when I decided that it wasn't worth the time to argue with someone who actually thought along those lines.
And, thanks for the support and encouragement. I'm very fortunate to be talking to the people I have been and that's led me to be introduced to a few other people who are absolutely invaluable, with their knowledge.
 
pezenfuego

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I think I've met that guy at sheds before...anyway, I don't know much about monitors and unlike others, I'm not going to pretend I do.
I just wanted to say that that is very cool, thanks for sharing, and good luck with the weight issue.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by AW2x3
http:///forum/post/2987672
Thank you, for stating the obvious about the dog issue. After reading that is when I decided that it wasn't worth the time to argue with someone who actually thought along those lines.
And, thanks for the support and encouragement. I'm very fortunate to be talking to the people I have been and that's led me to be introduced to a few other people who are absolutely invaluable, with their knowledge.
ASSUMING you have the resources to properly house and care for the beast more power to ya. It isn't like you went out and ripped it from the wild nor does it look like it was previously getting the best care in the world judging by the girth.
My brother's buddy kept his alive for a couple years despite knowing nothing about the thing. Unfortunatly he waited until the thing was already dead to get a lot of information about them. He lucked into a source of dead birds and rabbits to feed it which I guess is appropriate. Not really sure how happy it was being forced to live in a closed room with no trees to climb on. Be interested to see what you come up with for a home for him when you're done.
 
petjunkie

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That thing is wicked! Got any pics of it's setup? My boyfriend likes monitors but I say no way. Not that we could keep the heat or humidity up in Northern MN anyways. Wow it is fat though, can it move around ok? That is one big gut. Can you get large prey around there easily? It sucks up here, if I want anything bigger than a mouse I have to order in frozen which is way too expensive, not to mention I lack a freezer.
Off topic on the pits, seriously people, they do not have LOCKING JAWS. They wouldn't be dogs if they did. And they all have "fighting bloodlines" if you want to get into it, that's what the entire breed was created for. Dog aggression is not human aggression any more than animal aggression is and both AA and DA are normal in many breeds, especially the terrier ones.
 
aw2x3

aw2x3

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I could post feeding vids all day long, but I don't feed live...I'm assuming that's what you're referring to...wanting to see him eat live.
He's eating ground turkey, mixed with bone meal and vitamins...trying to shed those unwanted pounds. Once he's back down to ideal weight, he'll start getting whole foods...rabbits, pigs, chickens, quail and ducks.
 
pontius

pontius

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Originally Posted by Rslinger
http:///forum/post/2987667
What are you for real. There is no such thing as a fighting blood line in pit bulls. I don't know why it is so hard to understand no matter what a pit bull is not born a killer. These fighting dogs are abused from the minute they are born. No contact with other dogs, no real human contact but to be beaten. The only reward they get is when they do fight. It could be any breed used to fight people just use pit's because of there locking jaws. Pit bulls are naturally very protective though. But you can raise ANY BREED to fight just the same.
yes, I'm very for real and you don't know what you're talking about. if a pitbull has, say, a parent or grandparent (in their bloodline) that was bred to fight, that dog is more likely to turn bad, even if it's never been bred to fight.
 
pontius

pontius

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Originally Posted by AW2x3
http:///forum/post/2987557
As I already stated, I'd rather talk to people who know what they're talking about, as opposed to someone who hasn't the slightest idea what a Crocodile Monitor is, without having to look it online.
you're right, I have no idea what a crocodile monitor is. I have no idea that it is a large wild, non-domesticated lizard with an infectious bite that has confirmed human fatalities.
 
pezenfuego

pezenfuego

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Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2988234
yes, I'm very for real and you don't know what you're talking about. if a pitbull has, say, a parent or grandparent (in their bloodline) that was bred to fight, that dog is more likely to turn bad, even if it's never been bred to fight.
I'm not saying that you're wrong, but to me this makes no sense. How can the way you treat a dog affect what is swimming around inside his reproductive system? How can doing that genetically change the dog?
Not saying you're wrong, just looking for clarification. Is there an explanation for this? Can you find some hard evidence from a good source? Is it scientifically proven?
 
pontius

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Originally Posted by PEZenfuego
http:///forum/post/2988238
I'm not saying that you're wrong, but to me this makes no sense. How can the way you treat a dog affect what is swimming around inside his reproductive system? How can doing that genetically change the dog?
Not saying you're wrong, just looking for clarification. Is there an explanation for this? Can you find some hard evidence from a good source? Is it scientifically proven?
over the years, there have been many instances of "good pet dogs" who have gone bad and afterwards have been found to have been born from fighting dogs or bought from breeders of fighting dogs. do I HAVE the evidence? no, I don't keep files of news stories I see over the years. can you find evidence from a good source? yes, I'm sure you can.
but alas, I didn't bring up anything about dogs, that was brought up by the original poster who somehow wanted to relate owning a pitbull to owning a croc monitor. and I challenge anyone to show any scientific evidence stating that croc monitors have been "domesticated".
 
shogun323

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My old roomate first had a little Nile Monitor. It latched onto his finger one day. I was watching Braveheart and heard him yelling from the garage. Oh I laughed so hard!!
He then got a pair of Dumerils (sp?) monitors. They were awesome. Best of luck on your croc bro!!!
 
aw2x3

aw2x3

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Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2988237
you're right, I have no idea what a crocodile monitor is. I have no idea that it is a large wild, non-domesticated lizard with an infectious bite that has confirmed human fatalities.
Oh my Lord...
For one, their bite is not infectious, they carry no bacteria, in captivity.
And, please give me ONE, just ONE, verifiable source, saying they've caused a single human fatality.
I'm actually enjoying this conversation, now, just for the shear humor of the things you're saying.
I spoke to the guy from St. Louis Zoo and told him some of the things you'd said...he laughed harder than I did.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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No longer need to touch on the monitor aspect on this post. I have stated my opinion and will leave it at that, best of luck to you.
However I have to chime in on the dog breeding comments. It is true regarding dogs that have an ancestor that was BRED for fighting aspects in their ancestory. It becomes a trait.
Examples, Springer spaniels were bred over the centuries for hunting a flushing of game (birds) Ever springer spaniel I have seen has a NATURAL instinct for this. Not all of them are trained but if you let them loose in an open field they will instinctually mimic the same patterns to a degree as a trained bird flusher. Right down to how the run and pounce. Some smaller dogs were BRED as rat catchers. These breeds instinctually carry this breeding in them. I have seen these breeds chase rats and squirrels while ignoring birds and other creatures. It is instinct because in the ancestors they were BRED for this.
The key word here is BRED not trained. Having a trained dog in the ancestor line for fighting does nothing. But when breed for a fighting dog is done, there are several things taken into consideration, temperment, physical build, natural aggression and speed. If you breed two dogs with all of these traits the odds of them being passed on are very good. This is what Pontius means. That an ancestor was BRED (thus picked specifically because the traits were strong) for fighting. These traits can still be apparent many generations down the line. Training and Bred are 2 different things...one you control directly they other is indirectly controlled. So yes, it is a common thing that a dog can be nice as pie but due to past Breeding habits in ancestory something can be out of your control.
 
yummysalt

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Before people start bashing Andy some more, he didn't come here to ask for ideas, or how to raise his lizard, or asking for help. He is sharing his lizard with us. Thats it.
That lizard looks cool. It is not that big as I thought it would be. What is his actual size if you were to eliminate his tail?
About the dog thing, every dog attacks. When do they attack? who knows, but it is not confine to Pit Bulls. The only reason people are scared of Pit Bulls is because every time they bit someone, or attack someone, it is on the news. People have a bad view of this beautiful animal. Just something to think about, small dogs have the most reported attack on human than larger dogs.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by AW2x3
http:///forum/post/2988732
Oh my Lord...
For one, their bite is not infectious, they carry no bacteria, in captivity.
And, please give me ONE, just ONE, verifiable source, saying they've caused a single human fatality.
I'm actually enjoying this conversation, now, just for the shear humor of the things you're saying.
I spoke to the guy from St. Louis Zoo and told him some of the things you'd said...he laughed harder than I did.
All critters carry bacteria in their mouth. A domestically kept critter might not have the same amount of nasties but they are still there.
Amazing the stuff you learn on a saltwater fish board. Along the same lines as you are talking the poison dart frogs that are raised in captivity are not poisonous unless the owner has somehow replicated their native diet.
 
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