The Evil Bible

yearofthenick

yearofthenick

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
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Was it only 5-10 million years? I thought it was 50 to 80.
Actually, the Cambrian Explosion Period was estimated to be 50 million years, but in that time, some of the organisms formed in as little as 3-5 million years... according to Wikipedia.
Originally Posted by bionicarm
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Irregardless, just think how much time that is. Look how fast a single cell in your body reproduces on a daily basis. You're saying that a simple organism couldn't evolve into a complex organism in that amount of time without the assistance of a higher being? As I stated before, carbon dating and determining the exact age of something isn't perfect. Don't know the exact figure, but I would be willing to guess at least a 10% margin of error. Even more the farther back you go. These Cambrian organisms could have come to being in a totally different period.
Dude, we're talking about creation, not replication. Yes, our cells are constantly replicating, but that's no surprise. Our entire human race is replicating (offspring) as a normal way of life. It's the CREATION of these organisms that is hard to believe. To make something out of something identical to it is common knowledge - we can do that. But to make something out of nothing - that's a whole different story. They're two completely separate arguments altogether.
Originally Posted by bionicarm
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However, scientist at least have something to test. What do the theologeans have to test God exists?
It's not so much about testing as it is interpreting. Theologians have a massive amount of text (e.g. 24,000 pieces of NT stuff) and it's all about trying to translate it, understand where/how/why it was written. It's also something we would have loved to be physically present for as it was taking place.
Originally Posted by bionicarm
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They may have physical proof Jesus did in fact live.
I don't know if we have any physical proof of Jesus' life, aside from the texts. I mean, you can go to any flea market and get "the sword that pierced Jesus' side!!!" for $15, but as for actual physical evidence, aside from the text, we have none. But the same is true about a lot of historical figures.. Alexander the Great, being one of them.
Originally Posted by bionicarm
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But what proof do they have to validate who they say he was? The bible says he 'walked on water', 'turned water into wine', 'fed thousands with one loaf of bread'. Those same events have been recreated by magicians in present time. Whose to say Jesus was just a common man that used magic tricks to get his message across about his faith? He attributed talking to his Father by believing the voices he heard in his head were Him speaking. Sounds far-fetched? Maybe. But it's not out of the realm of possibility.
I would LOVE to see a magician feed 5,000 people on a few loaves of bread. We'd be able to solve the world hunger crisis. The truth is that NO magician has done that. Plus, Jesus wasn't on a stage with tons of bags of broken pieces of bread hidden behind the curtains. He was in the friggin desert when that happened.... AND Jesus never had any actual possessions. Just like you can tell the real from the fake today, I am sure they could tell the real from the fake in their times. I know that magicians walk on water by having reinforced glass just beneath the water level... but that would be a pretty elaborate thing in 15 A.D. Plus, it was in the midst of a storm when Jesus did that, and the story says that Jesus ALSO calmed the storm. You'd need a lot of industrial fans and rain-makers, which also didn't exist in that time.
The truth is that if Jesus WERE a magician, he'd blow everyone away even with today's standards. Stuff happened in the times that just simply were not possible to be made by man.
 
yearofthenick

yearofthenick

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
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Actually there was a 'womb' available for humans to develop in back then. Don't know if you call them apes, neanderthals, whatever. But the womb was there. Humans could just be this one big freak of nature.
If I'm a freak of nature, so is the watch I found on the beach. So is the Lincoln Memorial. For us to have been made this way, with dynamic immune systems, self-healing, Highly intelligent (Well most of us anyway... sorry for your plight darthtang
) with all the right elements and all the right bone and cartilage and muscle and all... I'm telling you, it's not a mistake. And that's just the human race. Add into the equation the earth's perfect rotation, photosynthesis in plants, the cycle of life in most rainforests, Hyacinth Macaws, Bengal tigers... it's all entirely too balanced to be a mistake. As I type from my MacBook Pro, I look at it and see how perfectly designed it is... flaweless... each pixel has the right color, the wireless signal keeps me connected so I can joust with you. It's a feat of engineering and technology. Our planet is an astronomical feat of similar engineering. We can't ignore that. More and more scientists are pointing at intelligent creation as an acceptable theory.... someone HAD to have designed this.
But that's exactly the problem people have... they can't accept something they can't see or physically prove. If you ask me, it's right here, on this earth... but it points to something you don't see, and because of that fact alone, it's not acceptable. People have to see it... see the source. But the truth is that we don't see it in the case of evolution - even in evolution, all we have are theories - worse yet, theories written by some guy who lived over 100 years ago and still used leaches to cure fevers.
I ultimately chose to lean in the direction of a creator. The history is overwhelming, and even modern science is pointing at it. Personally, that's why I chose to believe there is a God... because evolution only gives me outdated theories, no history, and best yet, no explanation of HOW it all came to be... the only explanation being that it was an astronomically unlikely happenstance.
We're too smart, too creative, too progressive to be mistakes. Purpose is what drives everything... purpose is woven into the fabric of our existence... it's what drives us to do everything we do. Doctors want to cure cancer - the purpose being because they want to heal the sick. Historians want to study the past - their purpose being so they don't repeat it. Parents love their children, the purpose being because their children are a part of them, and want them to prosper when they grow up. Composers write music, artists paint, singers sing... their purpose being so they can express themselves to the world. I could go on and on, but you get my point.
In a society that is so driven - so purpose-ful, I don't know how we could have come from a purpose-less background. If evolution were true, we wouldn't have any purpose at all. So why do anything? Why make any positive contribution? It's not worth it if we have no purpose.
But we do. We do have purpose. It's because we were created with a purpose - by a creator who gave us purpose.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3018567
If I'm a freak of nature, so is the watch I found on the beach. So is the Lincoln Memorial. For us to have been made this way, with dynamic immune systems, self-healing, Highly intelligent (Well most of us anyway... sorry for your plight darthtang
) with all the right elements and all the right bone and cartilage and muscle and all... I'm telling you, it's not a mistake. And that's just the human race. Add into the equation the earth's perfect rotation, photosynthesis in plants, the cycle of life in most rainforests, Hyacinth Macaws, Bengal tigers... it's all entirely too balanced to be a mistake. As I type from my MacBook Pro, I look at it and see how perfectly designed it is... flaweless... each pixel has the right color, the wireless signal keeps me connected so I can joust with you. It's a feat of engineering and technology. Our planet is an astronomical feat of similar engineering. We can't ignore that. More and more scientists are pointing at intelligent creation as an acceptable theory.... someone HAD to have designed this.
But that's exactly the problem people have... they can't accept something they can't see or physically prove. If you ask me, it's right here, on this earth... but it points to something you don't see, and because of that fact alone, it's not acceptable. People have to see it... see the source. But the truth is that we don't see it in the case of evolution - even in evolution, all we have are theories - worse yet, theories written by some guy who lived over 100 years ago and still used leaches to cure fevers.
I ultimately chose to lean in the direction of a creator. The history is overwhelming, and even modern science is pointing at it. Personally, that's why I chose to believe there is a God... because evolution only gives me outdated theories, no history, and best yet, no explanation of HOW it all came to be... the only explanation being that it was an astronomically unlikely happenstance.
We're too smart, too creative, too progressive to be mistakes. Purpose is what drives everything... purpose is woven into the fabric of our existence... it's what drives us to do everything we do. Doctors want to cure cancer - the purpose being because they want to heal the sick. Historians want to study the past - their purpose being so they don't repeat it. Parents love their children, the purpose being because their children are a part of them, and want them to prosper when they grow up. Composers write music, artists paint, singers sing... their purpose being so they can express themselves to the world. I could go on and on, but you get my point.
In a society that is so driven - so purpose-ful, I don't know how we could have come from a purpose-less background. If evolution were true, we wouldn't have any purpose at all. So why do anything? Why make any positive contribution? It's not worth it if we have no purpose.
But we do. We do have purpose. It's because we were created with a purpose - by a creator who gave us purpose.
So do you think the Earth is the only planet in the ENTIRE universe that sustains intelligent life? Scientists have shown how planets are formed. They've seen the creation of stars while it's happening. They recently found what appears to be a Solar System that has orbiting planets somewhat similar to ours. Did God create these as well?
You bring up valid points with your scientific hypothesis. However, a perfectly balanced ecosystem doesn't prove a higher being created it. As you stated, the fact is we'll never really know how and where everything began. But if you want me to believe your theory, you need the Big Guy to show himself and tell me He did it.
 
yearofthenick

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3018659
So do you think the Earth is the only planet in the ENTIRE universe that sustains intelligent life? Scientists have shown how planets are formed. They've seen the creation of stars while it's happening. They recently found what appears to be a Solar System that has orbiting planets somewhat similar to ours. Did God create these as well?
That's such a good question... one I can't answer... I really don't know. It says that God created the heavens and the earth, so maybe? We have no proven theories about how planets are formed though. BUT WE DO have the ability to see what other celestial objects are out there.
It's funny you bring it up... I have a friend who is an engineer working for a company who is currently working on the replacement for the hubble telescope. This telescope they're making is so powerful that his company estimates it will be able to see to the end of the universe. However, the theory is that once you reach the end of the universe, it loops back to the opposite side... they think it's like an "infinite loop" ... mind-boggling. I'd be really curious to see what he has to say about other planets and stuff. He has a pic on his facebook of him analyzing one of the mirrors that will go in this telescope... it's like 7 feet around and he's in a clean-suit. Pretty sweet job.
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3018659
You bring up valid points with your scientific hypothesis. However, a perfectly balanced ecosystem doesn't prove a higher being created it. As you stated, the fact is we'll never really know how and where everything began. But if you want me to believe your theory, you need the Big Guy to show himself and tell me He did it.
I'd love to tell God to give you a tap on the shoulders, then a solid punch in the face (to ensure you're not dreaming) but I can't tell God what to do. Why don't you ask Him? That's where my faith needed to take a step beyond the evidence, history, and the dis-proven theories about evolution. You can't ask God to shake your drapes though, or get your TV to levitate (Though that would ROCK). Try actually understanding/reading the bible (instead of having it beaten into you by nuns
). Try talking to God. That's what I did. I felt like kind of an idiot at first, but things started changing. My burned familial relationships started to heal. I was able to overcome a life-consuming addiction. My life has changed so much since I first believed. Each day gets better and better. I used to a pretty volatile and violent person, but God created me with gentleness, and I've been learning to be more gentle, in all my 6'5" 300 lb splendor. I have a loving wife who is totally devoted to me and our marriage, and a daughter that thinks I'm the best thing on the planet. I have a good-paying job doing what I love. My life is complete.
If we were created for a purpose, and God created us to prosper and live abundantly, then when we seek him, that's exactly what happens. Take it or leave it, but my life is a testament to that... as are countless lives... all testaments of God's goodness.
 
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