The rules of political ignorange...

bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3299252
The problem with your case is that nothing he said was untrue...
Again, the reason I don't vote Republican. I prefer to base my decisions on who I vote for on the issues, not what some people THINK a person has done in their past. You want to use character assasination to try and justify why you vote for someone. Pretty sad if you ask me.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3299258
Again, the reason I don't vote Republican. I prefer to base my decisions on who I vote for on the issues, not what some people THINK a person has done in their past. You want to use character assasination to try and justify why you vote for someone. Pretty sad if you ask me.
Small question here, but the dems ran on Bush fabricated the entire Iraq war for person gain. If that isn't a "conspiracy theory" I don't know what is... So unless you voted for one of those 4th 5th or 6th party candidates... What does that say about your phoney little argument?
(not that McCain was a particularly good candidate) Although he was the moderate you (and fishtaco) seem to be advocating..
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/post/3298794
Rule 1 - If you are trying to make any kind of valid point, don't start your sentence with "Barack Hussein Obama..."
FDR
JFK jr.
and there are numerous others that have had their middle name invoked in their title.
Oh, and let's see...
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3299058
Greetings and I must say a nice deflection, but Rush is much more than just an entertainer when it comes to the conservative movement, I would say either Rush or Palin are more like the leadership of the GOP these days. I don't consider youself, Darth or Streb27 as a part of the zany far-right, but your party has shifted much further right and is catering to the birther/conspiracy people much more than I have seen in the past. Crap, you guys had a perfect opportunity to get rid of Reid and the best person you could come up with is Sharron Angle? I just hope that the GOP can come up with someone besides Palin or Newt to run against Obama in 2012 and there is no valid excuse why either of these two should even be on the ticket as serious contenders. Romney seems much more suited, but again I have my doubts that the far-right is going to vote for a mormon no matter how qualified.
Just saying no is fine, but the GOP needs to step-up their game, I mean Steele, really he still has a job?
You ever hear of Limbaugh being at all the conferences or campaigning for candidates?
You really should really talk with local Republicans to see what they think. I know exactly 2 people who are on the Birther Bandwagon. Like I keep trying to tell them that is as much a creation of the Obama political machine as the kooks who believe it. All they would have to do is release a certified copy of the certificate and it would remove all doubt but the Obamites want this out there. I have a really hard time believing the DNC wouldn't have went up Obama's arse with a microscope before allowing him to beat Hillary in the primary.
At any rate the Republican party has shifted to the left, not right since the 80's. I left the party in the late 90's they had moved so far to the left in matters of fiscal policy. LOL! In fact at this time I am a registered Democrat just because I had to pick a party to get a perminent mail in ballot.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3299192
I thought I was being pretty honest with my post Streb27 and I am aware of who Wright is believe it or not and using him and crying no fair is getting old and if we can no longer blame Bush, then we can no longer blame Wright either. The GOP needs to field some serious leaders and clean house on the people holding office now just like the dreaded dems do. One of G.W.'s good traits was he did not cry foul a lot and ignored the attack dog press.
Fishtaco(Papa Grizzly)
I would have to say Obama's actions since being elected leads me to believe he wasn't sleeping during all Wright's sermons.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3299192
I thought I was being pretty honest with my post Streb27 and I am aware of who Wright is believe it or not and using him and crying no fair is getting old and if we can no longer blame Bush, then we can no longer blame Wright either. The GOP needs to field some serious leaders and clean house on the people holding office now just like the dreaded dems do. One of G.W.'s good traits was he did not cry foul a lot and ignored the attack dog press.
Fishtaco(Papa Grizzly)
Oh I think you're missing the nuances of my post... (a little joke at the expense of Obama and his backtracking on the Mosque) There were 2 aspects of that post. One I was addressing your statement of "Palin and Rush are wackos" And giving you an example of a true wacko...
Second the OP made a statement (basically saying you're an ignoramus if you doubt Obama's patriotism) which I was addressing as well with that video.
And hell if having a problem with the things that guy (JEremiah) has said about our country makes me a right wing extreemest. I guess I'm perfectly happy being a right wing extreemist...
 
fishtaco

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3299276
You ever hear of Limbaugh being at all the conferences or campaigning for candidates?
You really should really talk with local Republicans to see what they think. I know exactly 2 people who are on the Birther Bandwagon. Like I keep trying to tell them that is as much a creation of the Obama political machine as the kooks who believe it. All they would have to do is release a certified copy of the certificate and it would remove all doubt but the Obamites want this out there. I have a really hard time believing the DNC wouldn't have went up Obama's arse with a microscope before allowing him to beat Hillary in the primary.
At any rate the Republican party has shifted to the left, not right since the 80's. I left the party in the late 90's they had moved so far to the left in matters of fiscal policy. LOL! In fact at this time I am a registered Democrat just because I had to pick a party to get a perminent mail in ballot.
So your saying that above state level the GOP is pandering to the far-right? The Tea Party people scare the crap out of these formally big-pork GOP people. I still think I have a valid point, someone else should be running rather than Sharron Angle, with the help of the Tea Party the GOP handed Reid an early Christmas gift and he went from no chance to good chance of being re-elected. Pulling a move like that and the GOP still wants to be my latex salesman?

Fishtaco(Seinfield humor)
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3299261
Small question here, but the dems ran on Bush fabricated the entire Iraq war for person gain. If that isn't a "conspiracy theory" I don't know what is... So unless you voted for one of those 4th 5th or 6th party candidates... What does that say about your phoney little argument?
(not that McCain was a particularly good candidate) Although he was the moderate you (and fishtaco) seem to be advocating..
What Democrats ran on that platform? Did he start that conflict solely for financial gain? Of course not. However, how much money did his family make since we've been in that little skirmish for the last 8 years? If he made any profits at all from his investments with Halliburton, or whoever else is running that show over there, then I guess it does validate those "conspiracy theories" to a degree.
 
fishtaco

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3299283
Oh I think you're missing the nuances of my post... (a little joke at the expense of Obama and his backtracking on the Mosque) There were 2 aspects of that post. One I was addressing your statement of "Palin and Rush are wackos" And giving you an example of a true wacko...
Second the OP made a statement (basically saying you're an ignoramus if you doubt Obama's patriotism) which I was addressing as well with that video.
And hell if having a problem with the things that guy (JEremiah) has said about our country makes me a right wing extreemest. I guess I'm perfectly happy being a right wing extreemist...
Streb your young and full of piss and vinegar so I won't rake you to hard over the coals, but I said either Rush or Palin is the leader of the GOP, I don't think I called them wackos. I also don't like Wright anymore than you do, he is a scammer delivering a bad message, but there is too much of that going on these days. Anyway have a good day.
Fishtaco
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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With a little perspective "zaney far right" argument completely falls apart. Seriously think about it. You're complaining saying that you can't vote republican because of the supposed shift to the right. A shift right maybe, but not as far right as it was during the golden years of Reagan.
But can you in any way make an argument, that the leaders of the democrat party have not veered even further left? If you were truely being intellectually honest. The Democrats veer to the left would concern you far more than the Repulican's "veer" to the right. Because it isn't even close. IMO a veer that far to the right would, and we'd have Ron Paul and the libertarians running the Republican party...
And that still doesn't address the issue of who the Republicans ran against Obama... If McCain wasn't the big tenter I don't know who would be. I guess Lieberman?
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3299257
Who cares what church the guy went to. If you ask me, all these 'preachers', 'reverends', and 'ministers' are wackos whose only objectives is to fill your mind with useless rhetoric, and empty your pockets into their personal bank accounts so they can live high on the hog. Rev. Wright is in fact a nut case, but his opinions are those of his own. Come to San Antonio and listen to this John Hagee fruitcake. I guess if I went to his ministry and then ran for President, I'd be accused of some crazy things as well.
As far as Ayers, we've beat that dog to death TOO many times. HE WAS A CASUAL ACQUAINTANCE. He worked with the guy on several charitable organizatrions. Again, if you put a microscope up every politicians butt and analyzed every single person they been associated with through their lifetime, I'm sure you could fins some REAL shady characters in each and every one of them. I honestly doubt there's a single person on this forum that could run for a national office, and wonder about what kind of 'dirt' that could be dug up in their past. I know personally some people I grew up with, and associated with in college, that have been indicted for murder, fraud, Ponzi schemes, and a couple that had a Dishonorable Discharge from the military. Some of these associations were actually brought up when I obtained my TS/SCI clearance. When I discuseed them with the FBI, I told them I had no clue of their sordid past, and hadn't spoken to any of these individuals for years. Did I get penalized for knowing these people? Apparently not. I've had my clearance for 5 years now.
They types of people a person associates with says a lot about them.
The reader's digest version
Obama's political career was launched in Bill Ayers home, I'd say that's more than a casual relationship. From Frank Marshal Davis, a communist party member who Obama calls his mentor growing up in Hawaii, to the Revrend Wright, The Marxist Professors Obama sought out in college to the several administation apointees with the same extreme left/Marxist ties as Ayers I would say a person's past actions and associations matter.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3299289
Streb your young and full of piss and vinegar so I won't rake you to hard over the coals, but I said either Rush or Palin is the leader of the GOP, I don't think I called them wackos. I also don't like Wright anymore than you do, he is a scammer delivering a bad message, but there is too much of that going on these days. Anyway have a good day.
Fishtaco
I"m sorry Zany-far right.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3299286
So your saying that above state level the GOP is pandering to the far-right? The Tea Party people scare the crap out of these formally big-pork GOP people. I still think I have a valid point, someone else should be running rather than Sharron Angle, with the help of the Tea Party the GOP handed Reid an early Christmas gift and he went from no chance to good chance of being re-elected. Pulling a move like that and the GOP still wants to be my latex salesman?

Fishtaco(Seinfield humor)
The GOP power structure at the national and local level has favored "moderates" since I got involved in the early 90's. I don't count the Tea Party in the same crowd as the birthers. There are more than Republicans in the TP movement. We'll see this fall if the movement is going to help or hurt the Republicans but it's good for the country that people are finally waking up and taking a stand against our out of control government. It would be great if such a movement started within the Democrat party
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3299291
With a little perspective "zaney far right" argument completely falls apart. Seriously think about it. You're complaining saying that you can't vote republican because of the supposed shift to the right. A shift right maybe, but not as far right as it was during the golden years of Reagan.
But can you in any way make an argument, that the leaders of the democrat party have not veered even further left? If you were truely being intellectually honest. The Democrats veer to the left would concern you far more than the Repulican's "veer" to the right. Because it isn't even close. IMO a veer that far to the right would, and we'd have Ron Paul and the libertarians running the Republican party...
And that still doesn't address the issue of who the Republicans ran against Obama... If McCain wasn't the big tenter I don't know who would be. I guess Lieberman?
Exactly. A whole lot of people have left the Republican party and joined the Libertarians since Reagan left office. I think that's what people on the left don't understand, there are a whole lot of folks on the right who don't give a squirrel fart in a typhoon about abortion and gay rights one way or another who are turned off by the religious right too.
The thing that joins Libertarians with true conservatives is the desire for a smaller, more accountable government.
 
fishtaco

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3299299
Exactly. A whole lot of people have left the Republican party and joined the Libertarians since Reagan left office. I think that's what people on the left don't understand, there are a whole lot of folks on the right who don't give a squirrel fart in a typhoon about abortion and gay rights one way or another who are turned off by the religious right too.
The thing that joins Libertarians with true conservatives is the desire for a smaller, more accountable government.
I would agree with that statement, too bad fiscal politicians with a desire for smaller, more accountable government and none of the baggage might as well be unicorns. LOL
Fishtaco
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3299299
Exactly. A whole lot of people have left the Republican party and joined the Libertarians since Reagan left office. I think that's what people on the left don't understand, there are a whole lot of folks on the right who don't give a squirrel fart in a typhoon about abortion and gay rights one way or another who are turned off by the religious right too.
The thing that joins Libertarians with true conservatives is the desire for a smaller, more accountable government.
Oh try telling a Ron Paul guy a central bank isn't a bad idea... lol Or that the Gold standard is.
 
oscardeuce

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I hate to bring facts to a political debate, but as to rule #2 I have a little to add.
 
To the Japanese poeple during the WWII era ( and especially the warrior class) the Emperor was a god on earth. They were doing the god's bidding by fighting and dying for him. They would earn a special place in the afterlife by killing the enemies of the Emperor. They earned disgrace for surrender.
 
Pretty close to a form of religion if you ask me.
 
Now, in my humble mind; just because thay have the right to do something. Is it the right thing to do?
 
oscardeuce

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Quote:
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/379518/the-rules-of-political-ignorange/40#post_3299292
 
They types of people a person associates with says a lot about them.
The reader's digest version
Obama's political career was launched in Bill Ayers home, I'd say that's more than a casual relationship. From Frank Marshal Davis, a communist party member who Obama calls his mentor growing up in Hawaii, to the Revrend Wright, The Marxist Professors Obama sought out in college to the several administation apointees with the same extreme left/Marxist ties as Ayers I would say a person's past actions and associations matter.
Careful what you say reef, Pelosi's looking to investigate that kind of thinking.
 
 
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