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darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Seems like you found a new picture of Clint Eastwood.  Naw, the argument is going nowhere.  You have your philosophies on how the wealthy should be pandered to, and I have mine.  You think if we hand more money to those that don't need it, they'll create all these magical jobs that will make everything right in this country.  Well, they've had that extra mnoney in their pockets for over 10 years, and the unemployment numbers are still stagnant.  If all their stock investments are supposed to improve companies to where they hire more people, why aren't they hiring?  If their stocks are improving their bottom line, where's the growth?  Oh that's right. They're hanging onto their bucks for fear that Obama will take them away from them.  The big CEO's listen to the doom and gloom from the likes of Hannity and O'Reilly, and are waiting to see if Obama get reelected before spending their cash again.  Guess we better hope Obama doesn't get reelected, or we'll fall into this 100-year abyss, as claimed by Chuck Norris, who has as much brains as Clint Eastwood and his chair.
It is going nowhere because your points are contradicting each other. It is going nowhere because you can't answer the questions presented and have them still support your personal beliefs.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392751/the-top-40/220#post_3491295
It is going nowhere because your points are contradicting each other. It is going nowhere because you can't answer the questions presented and have them still support your personal beliefs.
Whatever. Go argue with Clint and his empty chair.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Seems like you found a new picture of Clint Eastwood.  Naw, the argument is going nowhere.  You have your philosophies on how the wealthy should be pandered to, and I have mine.  You think if we hand more money to those that don't need it, they'll create all these magical jobs that will make everything right in this country.  Well, they've had that extra mnoney in their pockets for over 10 years, and the unemployment numbers are still stagnant.  If all their stock investments are supposed to improve companies to where they hire more people, why aren't they hiring?  If their stocks are improving their bottom line, where's the growth?  Oh that's right. They're hanging onto their bucks for fear that Obama will take them away from them.  The big CEO's listen to the doom and gloom from the likes of Hannity and O'Reilly, and are waiting to see if Obama get reelected before spending their cash again.  Guess we better hope Obama doesn't get reelected, or we'll fall into this 100-year abyss, as claimed by Chuck Norris, who has as much brains as Clint Eastwood and his chair.
No one is arguing handing more money to them. You can't even follow the debate correctly.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392751/the-top-40/220#post_3491338
No one is arguing handing more money to them. You can't even follow the debate correctly.
This stupid debate has taken so many turns, I don't even know what you're arguing about anymore. Is it the rich deserve more tax cuts? Is it acceptable that the wealthy have more access to tax breaks and loopholes that the lower and middle income don't? Beats me. Like I said, go talk to Dirty Harry and his empty seat. It'll probably be more productive for you.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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This stupid debate has taken so many turns, I don't even know what you're arguing about anymore.  Is it the rich deserve more tax cuts?  Is it acceptable that the wealthy have more access to tax breaks and loopholes that the lower and middle income don't?  Beats me.  Like I said, go talk to Dirty Harry and his empty seat.  It'll probably be more productive for you.
We are arguing against tax increases in a down economy. You are complaining about the 13% paid on capital gains. You want more. Every citizen can use the same loopholes. Name one loop hole you can't use should you decide to invest that way or exhaust the option.
Each turn has been your doing. We just respond.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392751/the-top-40/220#post_3491353
We are arguing against tax increases in a down economy. You are complaining about the 13% paid on capital gains. You want more. Every citizen can use the same loopholes. Name one loop hole you can't use should you decide to invest that way or exhaust the option.
Each turn has been your doing. We just resp
That's the misnomer. It's not that they're not available, it's the lower and middle income don't have the same funds to invest to where they can reap the same benefits. Reef's little cash cow is more of an exception than a rule. For every one success story like his, there's hundreds of failures. The difference is, when an investment failure occurs to someone making $50K or less, it means no food on the table or possibly going homeless. If the same occurs to a multi-millionaire, it's one less European vacation, one less vacation home, or maybe whacking a few jobs in his/her business to make up the difference. Are you honestly going to tell me someone who makes $30K/year has enough discretionary income to invest in some stock options, or better yet, some venture capitalist investment. ETrade requires what, $1500 minimum in an account before you can start trading? May not seem much to you, but a family of four who barely makes enough to pay the bills and put food on the table may disagree with you.
By the looks of this article, businesses seem to be remaining profitable even in a downed economy. They don't hire new workers, they just make the one's they have work more, and simply don't give them raises:
http://economywatch.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/05/13683030-companies-boosted-profits-without-hiring-this-spring?lite
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392751/the-top-40/200#post_3491290
Seems like you found a new picture of Clint Eastwood. Naw, the argument is going nowhere. You have your philosophies on how the wealthy should be pandered to, and I have mine. You think if we hand more money to those that don't need it, they'll create all these magical jobs that will make everything right in this country. Well, they've had that extra mnoney in their pockets for over 10 years, and the unemployment numbers are still stagnant. If all their stock investments are supposed to improve companies to where they hire more people, why aren't they hiring? If their stocks are improving their bottom line, where's the growth? Oh that's right. They're hanging onto their bucks for fear that Obama will take them away from them. The big CEO's listen to the doom and gloom from the likes of Hannity and O'Reilly, and are waiting to see if Obama get reelected before spending their cash again. Guess we better hope Obama doesn't get reelected, or we'll fall into this 100-year abyss, as claimed by Chuck Norris, who has as much brains as Clint Eastwood and his chair.
Do you SERIOUSLY believe the crap you spout? Do you honestly think a CEO cares what someone like Hannity or O'Reilly thinks? Jamie Diamond is a prime example. He gave a ton to 0bama last time. This time he's supporting Romney. These guys vote their bottom line, not a party. Let's play 0bamanomics. How many jobs were created or saved by tax cuts LOL!
I have a lot of cash sitting around. I am not spending it (buying stocks) because the market conditions aren't right. We are looking at replacing the wife's car. Made a nice profit on her company stock plan and have cash to spend. We are waiting until next year. It has nothing to do with the election. It's the economy. If we go back into recession which is looking like a strong possibility we will wait and 1) see how bad things get and 2) wait for car priced to drop before we buy. It's in our financial interest to wait. Why on earth would business act any different. Consumer confidence is in the toilet right now. Wages are down about 4K a year over 4 years ago. People aren't going to be spending money they don't have to.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392751/the-top-40/220#post_3491366
Do you SERIOUSLY believe the crap you spout? Do you honestly think a CEO cares what someone like Hannity or O'Reilly thinks? Jamie Diamond is a prime example. He gave a ton to 0bama last time. This time he's supporting Romney. These guys vote their bottom line, not a party. Let's play 0bamanomics. How many jobs were created or saved by tax cuts LOL!
I have a lot of cash sitting around. I am not spending it (buying stocks) because the market conditions aren't right. We are looking at replacing the wife's car. Made a nice profit on her company stock plan and have cash to spend. We are waiting until next year. It has nothing to do with the election. It's the economy. If we go back into recession which is looking like a strong possibility we will wait and 1) see how bad things get and 2) wait for car priced to drop before we buy. It's in our financial interest to wait. Why on earth would business act any different. Consumer confidence is in the toilet right now. Wages are down about 4K a year over 4 years ago. People aren't going to be spending money they don't have to.
Just read where new car sales are at an all time high. Seems a lot of people are replacing their clunkers for newer models. Sorry, I don't live in fear that the economy may or may not collapse. Then again, I have enough in the bank to last me a couple of years if things did go from bad to worse. My "wages" have gone up more than 20% in the last four years. The contractors that work the contracts have gotten bumps as well, since there's more than enough work to go around to where they can work as many hours they can tolerate. Wages aren't down, they just aren't getting raises. Some businesses cut hours due to seasonal work.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Just read where new car sales are at an all time high.  Seems a lot of people are replacing their clunkers for newer models.  Sorry, I don't live in fear that the economy may or may not collapse.  Then again, I have enough in the bank to last me a couple of years if things did go from bad to worse.  My "wages" have gone up more than 20% in the last four years.  The contractors that work the contracts have gotten bumps as well, since there's more than enough work to go around to where they can work as many hours they can tolerate.  Wages aren't down, they just aren't getting raises.  Some businesses cut hours due to seasonal work.
when you contract for the fed....and the spend a trillion dollar stimulus....I would hope you saw an increase.
Post the link about car sales being an all time high. The only all time high I have read is this, "According to a study by Polk Automotive Research, the average age of our cars hit an all-time high of 10.8 years in 2011."
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392751/the-top-40/220#post_3491446
when you contract for the fed....and the spend a trillion dollar stimulus....I would hope you saw an increase.
Post the link about car sales being an all time high. The only all time high I have read is this, "According to a study by Polk Automotive Research, the average age of our cars hit an all-time high of 10.8 years in 2011."
All time care sales were in 2005, 17 millions. Based on the first 6 months of sales this year we are on pace for 14 million.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392751/the-top-40/220#post_3491443
Just read where new car sales are at an all time high. Seems a lot of people are replacing their clunkers for newer models. Sorry, I don't live in fear that the economy may or may not collapse. Then again, I have enough in the bank to last me a couple of years if things did go from bad to worse. My "wages" have gone up more than 20% in the last four years. The contractors that work the contracts have gotten bumps as well, since there's more than enough work to go around to where they can work as many hours they can tolerate. Wages aren't down, they just aren't getting raises. Some businesses cut hours due to seasonal work.
I don't live in fear. I plan for the future. We are debt free and could probably cover living expenses for 5 years. However both the kids are military and they are already starting to push people out. My son's hitch is up next year and he likely will not be able to re enlist, at least that is what it looks like right now. We may have to float him for a while. And like I said, if we double dip car prices will drop a lot so we'll wait and see.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392751/the-top-40/220#post_3491446
when you contract for the fed....and the spend a trillion dollar stimulus....I would hope you saw an increase.
Post the link about car sales being an all time high. The only all time high I have read is this, "According to a study by Polk Automotive Research, the average age of our cars hit an all-time high of 10.8 years in 2011."
Less than 30% of my business is based on government contracts these days. I've had an influx of large corporations looking to improve security on their networks because most of them are migrating their major business processes to "The Cloud". Internet-based applications comprise more than 60% of a businesses computer operations. 90% of your Mom And Pop stores have a web site to promote sales and have a business presence on the Internet. Most of them are clueless about network security and the potentials of getting hacked and compromised.
http://bottomline.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/04/13656005-auto-sales-rise-as-higher-gas-prices-aging-vehicles-spur-demand?lite
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392751/the-top-40/220#post_3491485
Less than 30% of my business is based on government contracts these days. I've had an influx of large corporations looking to improve security on their networks because most of them are migrating their major business processes to "The Cloud". Internet-based applications comprise more than 60% of a businesses computer operations. 90% of your Mom And Pop stores have a web site to promote sales and have a business presence on the Internet. Most of them are clueless about network security and the potentials of getting hacked and compromised.
http://bottomline.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/04/13656005-auto-sales-rise-as-higher-gas-prices-aging-vehicles-spur-demand?lite
Not an all time high, 3 year high.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392751/the-top-40/220#post_3491536
Nope. Just adding to the fact your all time high comment was so very wrong.
You always look at things with this "glass half empty" attitude. Per that article, new car automobile sales are up anywhere from 13% to 62% in August (based on each automotive manufacturer). That's an "all time high" relative to other months in the year. Any kind of growth is good, regardless if it doesn't meet previous years numbers.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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You always look at things with this "glass half empty" attitude.  Per that article, new car automobile sales are up anywhere from 13% to 62% in August (based on each automotive manufacturer).  That's an "all time high" relative to other months in the year.  Any kind of growth is good, regardless if it doesn't meet previous years numbers.
Did I say it was bad?
Glass half empty? Who was the one complaining during Bush's term? oh yeah, that was you. Every time something good was mentioned you found something to complain about...hypocrite much?
Actually, the glass is closer to 4/5 empty.......
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392751/the-top-40/220#post_3491548
You always look at things with this "glass half empty" attitude. Per that article, new car automobile sales are up anywhere from 13% to 62% in August (based on each automotive manufacturer). That's an "all time high" relative to other months in the year. Any kind of growth is good, regardless if it doesn't meet previous years numbers.
As opposed to your "Debbie Wasserman" approach to fact presentation?
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392751/the-top-40/220#post_3491552
Did I say it was bad?
Glass half empty? Who was the one complaining during Bush's term? oh yeah, that was you. Every time something good was mentioned you found something to complain about...hypocrite much?
Actually, the glass is closer to 4/5 empty.......
When did Bush do anything good his second term?
 
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