The VP is....

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2740452
Speaking of unconstitutional, I don't recall the United States congress ever voting for the war to send our troops into the sovereign nation of Iraq. Typical, you don't really care what the gov does as long as it fits your agenda. You're fine with them wiretapping their own citizens, detaining people for as long as they wish, torture, prision abuses and a war that was never voted on by congress (but you make you're living off it, so I guess you're not gonna complain).
That's because you don't want to remember... Please read the Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0021002-2.html
a) AUTHORIZATION. The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to
(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq.
Please provide the name of a US citizen wiretapped. (the FISA Bill has the word "foreign" in it, you know)
Waterboarding is not torture, nor do foreign terrorists have rights protected under the Constitution.
You too can make a living rebuilding Iraq, liberating 27 million people, and helping stabalize the Middle East. Many contractors are hiring. All you have to do is be willing to work long hours in a war zone, leave friends and family behind, and risk being killed by an IED or CRAM at any given moment. Want me to send you some links?

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2740451
your exuse's make me sick. the inspectors were allowed into a Iraq and testified that they found nothing.
are you saying we were looking for Saren and Mustard gas? c'mon man they said he was building a nuclear f'ing bomb! with uranium from Africa!
the dollar has risen a little but only after plummeting to record lows. thats lame! we lose 5 million jobs and get back 1 million and you say we gained a million jobs! no were still down 4 million, it's the same with the dollar.
we invaded Iraq for the oil! why haven't any of you answered my question about bringing democracies to Saudi Arabia and other dictatorships?
The inspectors were not allowed unlimited access. They were repeatedly kicked out. Please read the 17 UN Resolutions before you spout out incorrect info.
Sarin and Mustard gas are both WMD's. The inspectors missed those... Who is to say they wouldn't have missed more?
Again, see the info on the dollar before you print incorrect info.
For oil huh? Where is all the Iraqi oil currently?
I'll be more than happy to discuss other nations with you. All you have to do is prove to me you can have a mature, educated, and accurate discussion. Otherwise I'm not going to waste my time.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2740491
The inspectors were not allowed unlimited access. They were repeatedly kicked out. Please read the 17 UN Resolutions before you spout out incorrect info.
Sarin and Mustard gas are both WMD's. The inspectors missed those... Who is to say they wouldn't have missed more?
Again, see the info on the dollar before you print incorrect info.
For oil huh? Where is all the Iraqi oil currently?
I'll be more than happy to discuss other nations with you. All you have to do is prove to me you can have a mature, educated, and accurate discussion. Otherwise I'm not going to waste my time.
I wish people would stop trying to defend the Iraq war... Everyone knows it was wrong... and mustard gas and sarin have a shelf life... the gas they found was no longer dangerous (deadly) and had been buried for years. Iraq is better off than we are financially with their 79B surplus... We weren't there because of mustard/sarin... we were there because of nukes... the discovery of the left over gas was like police doing a drug raid of a suspected drug dealer and finding bootleg CD's... and saying see... told you so.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by NOTSONOOB
http:///forum/post/2740411
Your point? The difference is that Lincoln actually had a platform instead of this incessive garbage of change, without substance.
Exactly why we dub thee liberals as libtards. Don't you see that this is exactly what was needed for a VP pick? It spells the same as you speak. That is how out of touch all you people really are. The American people are looking for those OUTSIDE the belt to lead, because people are sick of the usual stink which comes from those in Washington.
Who does Hussain/Insane Obama pick? One of the biggest dirtbags in the senate, because why? He needs experience in leadership? Yes, because he is too much an outside chance that he needed stability.
McCain's whole premise is that you need change, and that is exactly what he is. He is no Stalwart right wing (bathroomstallfoottapping) anything for the party Republican. Selection of his VP even means more than anybody realizes. He picked somebody who is on the rise in teh party. WHY? Because she is not a toat the line Republican, who also is a tell it like it is, and do what needs to be done politician. Just what message, McCain himself portrays.
However, the rest of you lot, live off of CNN bumpersticker slogans, and idiologies.....or idiotologies.
Obama got his bump from his convention. Everybody nominee does. However, once the booze wears off and the hangover is over, the American public will remember that he is just an empty can of beans, who will promise anything to anybody he talks to, without substance to back it up. Empty slogans of change, nothing to be believed, and everything to be let down.
The funny thing is that the only change offered is actually from McCain. Don't bring up the wars, because the change he will bring, will be that the wars will actually be run right, instead of that Bush-boob!
And here I thought that Bob Barr, would have been the wiser choice. Now I see the folly of 2000. McCain should have been the nominee all along.
What is even funnier is how the libtards on CNN blogs show exactly their own sexism as I saw many a derogatory statements about her as a woman....even saying that she is a Hillary pick. No, she is a maverick pick. This is perfect. Maybe she can bring some of that tough Alasken Nort' woods attitude and kick Pelosi, Feinstien and Boxer in da buttocks!
How silly does this sound.... your candidate could be called a theif... because he stole Obama's platform of Change... The big tag word that candidates have picked up is the Change that Obama has used since day one of his campaign... And take McCain who has voted with Bush 90-95% of the time... is that really change... His decision of a VP is striclty political to gain more media attention and to attempt to gain Hillary supporters... has nothing to do with Change.... Has nothing to do w/ sexism... she was simply not the right choice... People who will vote for this ticket were already McCain supporters.. he will not win anyone new over with this choice.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2740271
And Biden, with his vast foreign policy experience, should be your party's point man?
What exactly does Obama bring to the table?
you don't have to look far for you answer... just look at the DNC convention and that shows you what he brings to the table...
How could he pick a candidate after onl meeting them once? Forget my response at the top... answer that?

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2739951
Thats a pretty lame statement. You do realize there was and is damage outside NO that is still waiting to be rebuild as well and those areas are mostly white?
And where were the feds when the midwest was underwater this summer? Why don't we hear anything about gulfport or some other costal towns that were actually closer to the eye. Because they could handle the situation... Go look at the news today, with a republican in charge in LA they are already preparing, they already have state guard on the streets. Yeah bush screwed up... And NO is still a predominately black town.
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2740357
Journey is the reason I don't post so much. It seems every 6 months we have a slew of new democrats with the same talking points (inaccuracies) and they spew them like a fire hose trying to put out a flame. It is always the same crap. Bush lied. War was only about WMD, Katrina is all Bush's fault....I grow tired of pointing out why and how they are wrong. Thank god Journey doesn't.
Hey journey if we were smart maybe we would just have the typical response presaved in a file and then we could just C/P them when needed.
It is all the same, have you heard the ad from biden from the 1980's where he gave the same complaint about Reagan as they are doing for bush now, the world hates us, we are in a recession, and Reagan is an idiot.
Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2740435
i don't need to be an economics professor to know that are dollar is falling which caused everything to go up. and that people are losing there jobs and homes!
You really are ignorant. A low dollar isn't necessarily a bad thing. Anything that exports overseas will benefit. You know like your precious manufacturing jobs.
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2740452
Speaking of unconstitutional, I don't recall the United States congress ever voting for the war to send our troops into the sovereign nation of Iraq. Typical, you don't really care what the gov does as long as it fits your agenda. You're fine with them wiretapping their own citizens, detaining people for as long as they wish, torture, prision abuses and a war that was never voted on by congress (but you make you're living off it, so I guess you're not gonna complain).
lol Congress voted not once but twice

And there is not way iraq is sovereign. Do you not remember them giving that up in the early 90's
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2740536
I wish people would stop trying to defend the Iraq war... Everyone knows it was wrong... and mustard gas and sarin have a shelf life... the gas they found was no longer dangerous (deadly) and had been buried for years. Iraq is better off than we are financially with their 79B surplus... We weren't there because of mustard/sarin... we were there because of nukes... the discovery of the left over gas was like police doing a drug raid of a suspected drug dealer and finding bootleg CD's... and saying see... told you so.
Yeah, because everyone thinks that way it must be right. Dude news flash, America isn't wrong for going into a country and freeing 30 million people, and setting up a democracy.
If everyone knew it was wrong, why haven't the dems defunded the war in the 3 years they've had control of congress. They have the power, yet they still vote for funding it...

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2740536
I wish people would stop trying to defend the Iraq war... Everyone knows it was wrong... and mustard gas and sarin have a shelf life... the gas they found was no longer dangerous (deadly) and had been buried for years. Iraq is better off than we are financially with their 79B surplus... We weren't there because of mustard/sarin... we were there because of nukes... the discovery of the left over gas was like police doing a drug raid of a suspected drug dealer and finding bootleg CD's... and saying see... told you so.
Stop trying to rewrite history. Please. I swear to god some of you BUSH haters have selective memories or just plain are forgetful. No one said He HAD nukes. It was said he was trying to acquire them. Now if Hussein was trying to acquire them how can he have them. Sarin and mustard gas in warheads is classified as a WMD under U.N. law. You guys can not have it both ways, either follow and use U.N. law to defend your stances or do not.
Not EVERYONE agrees the war was wrong. Can you honestly tell me you feel Sadaam was never a threat and never would have been. Can you honestly tell me He didn't support and fund terrorist actions when his own words called for Palestinians to bomb Isreal in suicide attacks? You guys keep bringing up the inspectors....Yet the inspectors NEVER received full access to what they needed to look at UNTIL after we had toppled Hussein's regime. So how would those Inspectors been able to say he had disarmed all his WMD's and if we found sarin and Mustard, this shows the inspectors were wrong.
You know, Cyanide has a shelf life ( I know this because i worked in an industry that used it regularly for 10 years). After it's shelf life had expired does that make it safe? If so, then you should have no problem exposing yourself to some after it's shelf life has expired. Mustard and sarin, care to inhale some after it's shelf-life has expired? How many times have you drank milk after it's "shelf-life" had expired? was it any different?
Japan is better off than us financially as well....so is Germany for that fact, maybe we shouldn't have defeated them and then rebuilt their countries with them as well. Your arguments are empty when compared to historical precedence regarding similar actions.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2740544
you don't have to look far for you answer... just look at the DNC convention and that shows you what he brings to the table...

A larger budget and higher taxes.

 

[notsonoob]

Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2740435
i dont need to be an economics professor to know that are dollar is falling which caused everything to go up. and that people are losing there jobs and homes!

True, but you have to look into the statement as to WHY the dollar is fell so quickly. Your assemement is correct
The answer to the dollar's demise is because just about every American is over-extended on credit. This country (citizens) spent way to much AND instead of fortifying the dollar rich with produced goods, Americans, corporations, and stockholders shifted manufacturing overseas, and decided to buy a crapload of chinese crap, whereas everything is disposiable after one use. Why do you think everybody is at Walmart...to replace the junk they bought the week before.
You can blame the war, you can blame the fed printing monopoly money, but the bottom line, until we make tangable items instead of thing from fairytale land (like pinko Harvard business pukes) push down our thoats, the dollar will stay flat.
Want a strong dollar? Drill oil here, mine here, design, build, ship, and sell America first.
Otherwise, you haven't seen how low our dollar will get.

 

[notsonoob]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2740575
A larger budget and higher taxes.
What is funny is how Hussain Obama is patting himself on the back promising middle class tax cuts.....just like the ones that mighty Bill Clinton did, when he made the mockery of George H.W. Bush with his "Read my lips" fiasco.
Problem is that after the noodleheads voted in Clinton, he convienently, decided that he couldn't put threw any promised tax cuts....oh...sorry.....you got any young brunette interns?
I agree with this statment as it is proven that Obama is for even more government spending and even higher taxation.

 

[notsonoob]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2740544
you don't have to look far for you answer... just look at the DNC convention and that shows you what he brings to the table...
How could he pick a candidate after onl meeting them once? Forget my response at the top... answer that?
Obama Blueprint
1 Universal insurance coverage = bankrupting America. Let me get my medical degree as this cash cow will make me rich beyond belief with all the other corruption like Medicade/Medicare.
2 Modernizing health care....WT%? I didn't know this country was still amputating for hang nails! And here I thought we had the most modern medicine in the world, which is what it is. The problem has been medicare throwing cash around like a drunk businessman at a ---- bar. This inturn inflated hospital budgets as well as trial lawyers that caused such high malpractice insurance rates. (most of these are which usually card carrying democrats).
3. Raising Minimum wage... Yeah, lets raise the lower end, which raises the higher end, so everything costs more, so in the long run you get a 2 dollar per hour bump, but pushes you fruther behind if you are making minimum wage. This wouldn't ever work without price caps, and that is never, ever, ever, going to happen in this country.
4. Tax increase for the wealthy, decrease for middle class....be afraid, very afraid. People at the high end, create jobs for the middle class through spending. If they are taxed (as you can see with fuel prices) once they get gouged, they spend less and less and less.
5. Strengthen Retirement Security.....that is code...for we ain't touchin' anything if I'm elected. Such as with every acting democrat. Affordable health care for seniors = 100% medicare benifits....bankrupt of America
6. Free College. Um, yeah...Here is a hint for you. I went to school for free UNTIL Clinton was in office and they conviently changed my pell grants to LOANS!....you know...balance the budget. I do agree that tuition his high, but when I pay about 50% of my tution bill for a FREAKIN BOOK...there is a problem here. You want to lower college costs. Create more jobs, with tax cuts for students and have the feds look into these college book distributors. I swear they are run by the mob.

 

[notsonoob]

7. Reform "No Child left behind"... This is codeword for abolish it and we go back to the dark ages of the 70's and 80's where tenured teachers don't give a rat's butt about kids. The only problem with the premise of no child is that EDUCATORS balked at merit pay and accountability. The only way to fix that is to drop schools and have penalties for those schools that bus off the problem kids off their books. Also, this is another issue within itself, break down of the family unit. I am 12 years old. Mom too busy. Homework or Sony....SONY IT IS!
8. Tax credits and applications are too complicated for college Financial AID? AGAIN WT&%!!!! I had mine finished for my wife in 30 minutes. Signed, sealed and delivered to FASA! This is digging for nothing and probable wants to make it more socialistic than it is. TAXES? WT$%#!!!! This guy is an intellectual moron.
9. Clean fuel. Alternative fuels. The biggest fleece of America. You want cheap fuel. It ain't going to happen until we are in the hydrogen economy. We are sitting on top of possibly more oil than the kingdom of Saud. USE IT! Amazing here a senator from a CORN producing state...is pushing for CORN enthanol....what a coincidence....Obama HAS no energy plan, except for bashing oil. Confront deforestation? WT*($@!~!!! Here is a bit of news for you idiots. OUR FORESTS HAVE MORE GROWTH ON AVERAGE THAN HARVESTS! Is Obama going to impose on the soverienty of Brazil or the Siberian forests in Russia, because that is where the deforestation is actually happening. Here companies are planting trees and managing forest...OH execept in Califonia, where the nutjobs have an injunction on the forest service not to manage undergrowth in national forests...with the arsonists for pointing out how folly that is. The other alternatives can be of good use too, however, as we find out here in Florida....WINDMILL??? NOT IN MY BACK YARD!.... We'll see how far it actually goes.
10. Obama will crack down on unscrupulous

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lenders? I don't think anything will ever have to be done with that as Banks and financial institutions will ensure more accountability in the system without government intervention. Lets' see. This happened in the 20's, then 80 years later...hmmm. I think it can wait.
11. Restore US as climate control leader? Never new we lead this at all. The only thing we lead is emissions, whereas not anymore as China has overtaken us. LET THEM LEAD WITH THE TRILLIONS OF RESERVES PESOS THEY HAVE.
12. E-85. The biggest scam in US history...brought to you by a US senate full of influence from corn states. You want clean, push for hydrogen fuel cells.

 

[vinnyraptor]

it's not the governments job to rebuild New Orleans? that city and others should have been declared a natural disaster area from day one. your excuse for not going in was crime! American citizens were DIEING! and the crime was looting. looting bottled water, food, diapers, and medicine and only because no one was there to provide these basic supplies. your a twisted dude, saying those people were bad people anyways who in the F do you think you are!
it's not the governments job to rebuild a major US city but it is thier job to rebuild a foriegn country? explain that one to me buddy. thats twisted.
i told you who you are before and i'll say it again. your an ignorant, racist who thinks because he makes alot of money is smarter than everyone else. your a joke to me though. dead bodies floating down the streets of a US city getting eaten by crocidiles, people starving while sitting on there roof tops, and you say so what! it's not the governments responsability. it's not the PRESIDENTS responsability! what is there responsability in your sick twisted mind? PLEASE TELL ME...
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2739835
yawn, but your whole premise, just doesn't work, unless you thross out the FACT that Clinton and several other democrats before bush was even in office, said that exact same thing. so unless they were all lying. And in on the conspiracy then it doesn't hold water.
Once again, it isn't the federal governments job, It is dependent on state and local governments to handle the situation. And with the reports on the ground that it wasn't safe, (Because of all the "crime") Fema couldn't go in. Simple fact is, the local state governments dropped the ball. And dems were all to willing to pin it on GW.
And once again, it isn't Bush's job to rebuild NO. And honestly It is probably smart they didn't do a lot of rebuilding in the more risky zones. And the people that were really displaced, were not good people. Houston's crime has skyrocketed since Katrina.

 

[notsonoob]

Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2740649
it's not the governments job to rebuild New Orleans? that city and others should have been declared a natural disaster area from day one. your excuse for not going in was crime! American citizens were DIEING! and the crime was looting. looting bottled water, food, diapers, and medicine and only because no one was there to provide these basic supplies. your a twisted dude, saying those people were bad people anyways who in the F do you think you are!
it's not the governments job to rebuild a major US city but it is thier job to rebuild a foriegn country? explain that one to me buddy. thats twisted.
i told you who you are before and i'll say it again. your an ignorant, racist who thinks because he makes alot of money is smarter than everyone else. your a joke to me though. dead bodies floating down the streets of a US city getting eaten by crocidiles, people starving while sitting on there roof tops, and you say so what! it's not the governments responsability. it's not the PRESIDENTS responsability! what is there responsability in your sick twisted mind? PLEASE TELL ME...
That was a horrible tragady. However, the blame is squarely at the foot of then Governor Blanco. Tears and all, it was her state and her decision. There is a seperation of powers that sets precident, otherwise the Federal government will supersede any states wishes. The only way the states get bent to the wishes of the FED is through budget money withheld.
BLANCO, could have sent in the national gaurd to secure the area after the storm, but she did not. DAYS PASSED. ALL SHE DID WAS TEAR UP LIKE A WUSS-BAG! What about that idiot Mayor? He has the keys to the city and he is supposed to be a leader all he did was freak out, then blame everybody later. Bush asked if help is needed, but Blanco flinched and said NO!
And yes, it is the govenments responsiblity to rebuild New Orleans, but too bad it looks like possible chaos all over again. How do you expect though to have rebuilt everything in a few short years?
Now you have a new Governor in charge...things will be different

 

[vinnyraptor]

i actually agree with alot of what you said, we should produce our own fuel and build our own products. but drilling now isnt the answer it will take a minimum of 5 years for the crude to hit the gas stations. we need to invest in alternative fuel and lead the world market in it. if we do it first we can create the good high tech jobs we need. we should be selling solar panels to other countries and exporting bio diesel and corn ethenol. it would strengthen our dollar and our economy. we led the world in industry for nearly a century, in these modern times we must lead in bio tech, alt fuels, hybrid cars, etc..
and credit cards an rocker arm home loans did hurt the dollar. but anyway you look at it the war is a huge waste and borrowing from China to buy oil from the country that produced most of 9/11's terrorists is insane anyway you slice it.
i would like to add that drilling is no longterm fix for our high gas prices and it does infact hurt the environment. were spinning our tires by continuing to build cars and trucks that run on it and it wont last forever anyways.
Originally Posted by NOTSONOOB
http:///forum/post/2740598
True, but you have to look into the statement as to WHY the dollar is fell so quickly. Your assemement is correct
The answer to the dollar's demise is because just about every American is over-extended on credit. This country (citizens) spent way to much AND instead of fortifying the dollar rich with produced goods, Americans, corporations, and stockholders shifted manufacturing overseas, and decided to buy a crapload of chinese crap, whereas everything is disposiable after one use. Why do you think everybody is at Walmart...to replace the junk they bought the week before.
You can blame the war, you can blame the fed printing monopoly money, but the bottom line, until we make tangable items instead of thing from fairytale land (like pinko Harvard business pukes) push down our thoats, the dollar will stay flat.
Want a strong dollar? Drill oil here, mine here, design, build, ship, and sell America first.
Otherwise, you haven't seen how low our dollar will get.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2740649
it's not the governments job to rebuild New Orleans? that city and others should have been declared a natural disaster area from day one. your excuse for not going in was crime! American citizens were DIEING! and the crime was looting. looting bottled water, food, diapers, and medicine and only because no one was there to provide these basic supplies. your a twisted dude, saying those people were bad people anyways who in the F do you think you are!
it's not the governments job to rebuild a major US city but it is thier job to rebuild a foriegn country? explain that one to me buddy. thats twisted.
i told you who you are before and i'll say it again. your an ignorant, racist who thinks because he makes alot of money is smarter than everyone else. your a joke to me though. dead bodies floating down the streets of a US city getting eaten by crocidiles, people starving while sitting on there roof tops, and you say so what! it's not the governments responsability. it's not the PRESIDENTS responsability! what is there responsability in your sick twisted mind? PLEASE TELL ME...
Sure look how other state and local governments have handled major disasters, like the Mississippi flooding this summer? There was MAJOR flooding levies broke, and it was handled at the state and local level. Fema isn't a first responder it was never designed that way.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2740661
i actually agree with alot of what you said, we should produce our own fuel and build our own products. but drilling now isnt the answer it will take a minimum of 5 years for the crude to hit the gas stations. we need to invest in alternative fuel and lead the world market in it. if we do it first we can create the good high tech jobs we need. we should be selling solar panels to other countries and exporting bio diesel and corn ethenol. it would strengthen our dollar and our economy. we led the world in industry for nearly a century, in these modern times we must lead in bio tech, alt fuels, hybrid cars, etc..
and credit cards an rocker arm home loans did hurt the dollar. but anyway you look at it the war is a huge waste and borrowing from China to buy oil from the country that produced most of 9/11's terrorists is insane anyway you slice it.
i would like to add that drilling is no longterm fix for our high gas prices and it does infact hurt the environment. were spinning our tires by continuing to build cars and trucks that run on it and it wont last forever anyways.
I will agree with finding alternative fuels. Unfortunantely all of them are very far from coming online in a mass quantity or even being as efficient as oil. Until that stuff is where it needs to be why not do what we know works? Obama is against any oil development though, which leaves us in this situation for who knows how long. Atleast with oil exploration we KNOW when things will hit the market.
As for saudi oil, 75% of our oil imports come from Canada and Mexico. if memory serves correctly, only 13% comes from saudi arabi (that number may be a bit off). Even if we stopped dealing with Saudi oil, the fact remains we would still have huge imports coming in. until we start drilling more of our own, this is the gas price you will pay no matter who is in office. and don't expect to see a quantative efficient alternative fuel source for ATLEAST 10-12 years.

 

[notsonoob]

Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2740661
i actually agree with alot of what you said, we should produce our own fuel and build our own products. but drilling now isnt the answer it will take a minimum of 5 years for the crude to hit the gas stations. we need to invest in alternative fuel and lead the world market in it. if we do it first we can create the good high tech jobs we need. we should be selling solar panels to other countries and exporting bio diesel and corn ethenol. it would strengthen our dollar and our economy. we led the world in industry for nearly a century, in these modern times we must lead in bio tech, alt fuels, hybrid cars, etc..
and credit cards an rocker arm home loans did hurt the dollar. but anyway you look at it the war is a huge waste and borrowing from China to buy oil from the country that produced most of 9/11's terrorists is insane anyway you slice it.
i would like to add that drilling is no longterm fix for our high gas prices and it does infact hurt the environment. were spinning our tires by continuing to build cars and trucks that run on it and it wont last forever anyways.
5 years is a demogog talking point. It is more like 2-3 years sustainable, maybe sooner. Would you rather wait until the next uptick and wait another 2-3 years?
If they would have agreed to drill in Anwar, then today, we probably could void out buying oil from that Pineapple-head Chavez, but now we are left feeding his socialistic/military aims.
However, with reasonable minds you have to put into context that I am not talking about USING oil for the next 50 years. What people with reason say is that we CAN take care of ourselves, so we should until the alternative is given. That would be shorter than 50 years, but we need to take care of ourselves first. We are stuck in an economy starved for oil. You need oil to sustain it whether Hussain or McCain get voted in. It will be that way 5 years after....it doesn't matter what anybody says.
If they design a viable hydrogen cell system today it would still take 10 years to implement and have it readibly available for consumers.
I agree with you. I would rather pay the 700 billion yearly to US citizens than to Arab Terrorists, most of which actually comes form Canada, but that is another story.
If we drill, mine, design, and manufacture here, then our dollar will have value once again.
OBAMA PLAN...no change...

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our kids future....there is no alternative...yet.

 

[notsonoob]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2740662
Sure look how other state and local governments have handled major disasters, like the Mississippi flooding this summer? There was MAJOR flooding levies broke, and it was handled at the state and local level. Fema isn't a first responder it was never designed that way.

Then you have FLorida. Hit by 5 major hurricanes in 2 years. Charley, Ivan, Frances, Jean, and Wilma....
Run by a Republican named Bush and we took care of everything ourselves. No handouts, no screaming...no crying...everything was by the book.
I even got screwed by Fema on the account of Katrina.

 

[groupergenius]

To try to keep this a little on subject....I think she is HOT. Is she the best person for the job?? Who knows? This whole race is a loser freakshow anyway this go a round.
As far as alternative fuels...I'm all for it. But I don't believe we should bury our heads in the sand waiting on it. Drill now.
Is it just me, or is it odd how Obama runs his yap promising Alt. Fuels and independence from Oil in 10 years?? IIRC he can only have 8 years in office??
So now the Government will be running free enterprise?? Yea buddy, gotta love that hope and change. Change to Socialism and hoping folks are stupid enough to go along with it.