The war on terror?

akbuuur

Member
You didnt read what i wrote, i said they are only creating more enemies for us, loosing the propaganda war and killing major amounts of innocent civilians. By the same token hezbollahs sending rockets into civilian territories is inexcusable. The media makes it seem as if though israel is always "fighting back". I don't think you can fight back against people whos land you've taken, are illegally occupying and have 9000 citizens of, in your prisons. Not to mention they have no sort of military and are reduced to throwing rocks.
 

dogstar

Active Member
The Goverment sure did seem to quickly pick up and clean up and seal up everything away in a nice little bag some where and not let us see whats in it. They tell us whats in it.....and now to many, it seems that that bag is starting to smell......
Im not saying I know who, what or how but who does....? as ukbuuur said " theres something fishy with it " ...
Maybe, how can we know. Alot of it seems to be classified and they use that alot, our Goverment by the people. WTC7. I saw that fall on 9/11 and when and how it went down just didnt look right to me either.....has there been an explanation for that....?? IDK. yes, many valid questions and should not fault the people for asking....IMO
Are there powers to be, stronger than a goverment....could it be true....would they tell us....
Look at the map Beth posted.....strategy ?? what is a strategy without a goal ? whats the goal..?
I look at that map and see alot, I see OIL, Saudi Arabia, Daubi, Isreal, Arabian Sea, Russia, predominantly Arib and Muslim nations....and milleniums of history of on going religous and economic and ethnic and political wars...alot of angry people !!!
Is the goal really to defeat terror ?? IDK. I hope so...Is it working, are we and others doing it the right way " strategy " are we able to, what is the strategy of our goverment in this war ?? Is there one, I would like to know but I guess that classified too....IDK, but dont hate me for asking questions....I wish I had answers that I could beleive or trust....Theres been so much confusion and how can anyone know what or who to trust now....Who knows the truth, 37g joe ?? tangwhispr ?? The Goverment ?? IDK anymore, Ill trust God because I known where I am....
 

37g joe

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Originally Posted by Phixer
"?" Question Authority
but at what cost thier are hundreds if not thousands of people who witnessed the crash into the pentagon. these consiprocy therorist are the ones who are the conspiritors. they dont care about all the lives they destroy they have accused fighter pilots of shooting down the planes they say the people who saw the crash are liars and apart of some agenda. They try to destroy these peoples lives. Why because they seek power they want the power, to usurp the president. Why because they hate him because it suits thier agenda. these people are POLITICAL TERRORISTS. They spread propoganda like a virus. They weave things toghether trying to put doubt in peoples mind.
You say things dont add up. But these conspirosies cant even hold thier own weight. if you read any of these articles that I posted earlier you see the out right lies but you still beive that these people are trying to tell you the truth. if you take these conspirocys to their end result the dont makes sence what so ever. but I guess people well belive what they want to believe even if its insane.
 

pat713

Member
Originally Posted by A3NIMA21
bush is the man! we need to move into iran next ---- all those muslim

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up. ---- the middle east.
Someone's mommy needs to spank someone!
It's not a muslim problem. It's certain people distorting the muslim religion.
And bush being the man... LOL! That's like saying my Hampster is a good public speaker...
 

a3nima21

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bein a good public speaker has nothing to do with it. and the muslim religion is a violent one. has been since mary spit out jesus.
 

akbuuur

Member
And im sure you read the quran numerous times and can defintly make a valid assumption obviously not out of ignorance.
 

mr. guitar

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The Islam religion is not violent in any means what so ever. What's wrong with it? Some of my friends are Islam and it ticks me off when people say things that aren't true about their religion. One of my friends gave me a Qur'an...it's very interesting what their beliefs are, after readin some of it.
 

dogstar

Active Member
"" They spread propoganda like a virus. ""
37g joe, you along with a few others on this site seem to do this more than most, ( searching your threads ) thats your right, the Founding Fathers gave that to you, to me, to all.....
You do seem to have an answer to everything. Answer me why you think they did give us that right....free speech, free press, free to assemble.
As I said earlier, I have no way of knowing what happened at the Pentagon, other than what we have been told by " the authorities " but of all the CCTV cameras theres not one that captured a plane ?? Somewhere, over the highway, anywhere flying low ?? If so then why would it be some how considered a " National Security Issue " not to release it, answer me that. Why would they not release a film ? Do you really beleive that would jepodize security some how ? ? The only one I have seen just shows an explosion, but no plane....We were told Watergate was just a two bit burglury....
IMO, the people who question the Goverment actions and speek freely of their conserns are what keeps this country as free as it is. Again, why do you think we were given that freedom ? Again, I dont want you to stop voiceing your conserns and thoughts and Im not asking you to. I am asking you to defend " everyones right to do the same " and not hate people who voice thoughts other than yours.....You can debate all you want, but when you call others names or anti-americain, ect. It make me feel your not respecting their rights......
I know your about to join the military and I wish you well, I will pray for you as I do all, I just hope you understand that you will be representing me, all of us, as a citizens and I hope you feel that you are trying to protect everyones rights as Americans and not just a few.
That is if you see it that way,........ you may not.
 

37g joe

Member
Originally Posted by A3NIMA21
bein a good public speaker has nothing to do with it. and the muslim religion is a violent one. has been since mary spit out jesus.
actually islam was founded 600 years after jesus sorry budy.
 

37g joe

Member
Originally Posted by akbuuur
And im sure you read the quran numerous times and can defintly make a valid assumption obviously not out of ignorance.
well he might have not read the quran but I have and if you want i can post many more. but I guess you get your info form cnn that says thier are no verces like thgis in the quran or hadith
When the sacred months have passed away, THEN SLAY THE IDOLATERS WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM, AND TAKE THEM CAPTIVES AND BESIEGE THEM AND LIE IN WAIT FOR THEM IN EVERY AMBUSH, then if they repent and keep up prayer [become believers] and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them (9:5)
O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred... (8:65)
FIGHT THEM: ALLAH WILL PUNISH THEM BY YOUR HANDS AND BRING THEM TO DISGRACE, AND ASSIST YOU AGAINST THEM. (9:14)
O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil). (9:123)
I WILL CAST TERROR INTO THE HEARTS OF THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE. THEREFORE STRIKE OFF THEIR HEADS AND STRIKE OFF EVERY FINGERTIP OF THEM. THIS IS BECAUSE THEY ACTED ADVERSELY TO ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER; AND WHOEVER ACTS ADVERSELY TO ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER - THEN SURELY ALLAH IS SEVERE IN REQUITING (EVIL). THIS - TASTE IT, AND (KNOW) THAT FOR THE UNBELIEVERS IS THE PUNISHMENT OF FIRE. O you who believe! When you meet those who disbelieve marching for war, then turn not your backs to them. And whoever shall turn his back to them on that day - unless he turn aside for the sake of fighting or withdraws to a company - then he, indeed, becomes deserving of Allah's wrath, and his abode is hell; and an evil destination shall it be. So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who slew them and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy) but it was Allah Who smote, and that He might confer upon the believers a good gift from Himself; (8:12-17)
Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says, None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)" (Hadith 4:52:196)
 

37g joe

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Dogstar I never called any one anti american. I know the plane was traveling at around 550 miles an hour. thats about 800 feet per secound the videos I have seen are low frame rate videos and you would not expect them to catch an object going at the speed at such a close distance. Thiere is one that shows a car driving through the main gate about 10 miles an hour and it is real choppy in each frame the car is about a distance of 2 -3 feet . so obviously the cameras would have an extreemly hard time getting a good pic if it even did get one. now to your question why they dont reliese all the evidence I dont know but just because they have not does not mean they are up to somthing. now I belive that questioning events and looking into them is not a bad thing but not to the point of compleet lunacy. say if torrmow they relased picturs and videos that showed conclusivly that it was a plane do you think the conspiritors would say oh sorry are bad guess you where telling the truth. I think not.
 

37g joe

Member
Originally Posted by akbuuur
I would think high school would have taught a person to show their sources...
well that would be the quran and the hadith. you can go onling and look at several different sites that have the quran on the internet gave you veces and everything. do to the fact that the quran was not originally devided in verces and chapters you might be one verse off depending on what site you use but it is for the most part pretty much across the board devided that way in english
different sites
http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html
http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/Di...=1&l=eng&t=eng
 

akbuuur

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When the Qur'an was written there was war with idol worshippers who did not like the idea of Islam and began oppressing muslims and attack them.
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[9.6] And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are a people who do not know.
How about that? Taking stuff out of context how nice.
8.65 O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand.
This is telling troops as they go into battle to have high morale and not to be afraid. In other words have faith in your self and the same goes with 9.14.
[9.14] Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people.
[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
Is it so wrong to defend? Apparently not as your a patron of the Iraq war which is in sorts a "defence" is it not?
[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
[8.13] This is because they acted adversely to Allah and His Apostle; and whoever acts adversely to Allah and His Apostle-- then surely Allah is severe in requiting (evil).
[8.14] This-- taste it, and (know) that for the unbelievers is the chastisement of fire.
[8.15] O you who believe! when you meet those who disbelieve marching for war, then turn not your backs to them.
[8.16] And whoever shall turn his back to them on that day-- unless he turn aside for the sake of fighting or withdraws to a company-- then he, indeed, becomes deserving of Allah's wrath, and his abode is hell; and an evil destination shall it be.
[8.17] So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who slew them, and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy), but it was Allah Who smote, and that He might confer upon the believers a good gift from Himself; surely Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
[8.18] This, and that Allah is the weakener of the struggle of the unbelievers.
This once again goes back to the wars which were fought with and were to be fought with the pagans.
It's funny when I was looking for 4:52:196 I stumbled upon this website. http://www.blessedcause.org/Quran.htm
For some reason the quotes are identicle to yours.
Hmm.
BTW 4:52:196 is not in the Qur'an.
So that means you were lying?
How horrid for a pure person like you to lie.
You can feel how you want "straight up" and you can "straight up" go to college too.
 

37g joe

Member
You speak of mecca. Well the fact that muhammad in 622 attacked caravans going to and from mecca in order to take thier goods and kill thier people gave the meccans every authotity at the time to defend themselves.
Ishaq:326 Allah said, ‘No Prophet before Muhammad took booty from his enemy nor prisoners for ransom.’ Muhammad said, ‘I was made victorious with terror. The earth was made a place for me to clean. I was given the most powerful words. Booty was made lawful for me. I was given the power to intercede. These five privileges were awarded to no prophet before me.’”
Ishaq:327“Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
here is a link to a whole list of stuff mahomad said about war.
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/quotes.aspx?g=405&i=4502
this is a whole list of quranic verses on jews
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/quotes.aspx?g=405&i=4527
what the quran says about christian
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/quotes.aspx?g=405&i=4528
what the quran says about women
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/quotes.aspx?g=405&i=4530
what the quran says about murder
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/quotes.aspx?g=405&i=4507
what the quran says about peacful muslims
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/quotes.aspx?g=405&i=4511
what the quran says about racism
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/quotes.aspx?g=405&i=4529
 
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